LCA TEJAS MK1 & MK1A: News and Discussion

[omaebakabaka]

Yepp that's really big if true

Those do happen for bunch of reasons including negligence intentional or unintentionally or being sloppy. One incident is not enough to cause consipiracy theories....however IAF top level is bs and never seem to address significant downgrade in lot of aspects not to mention roadmap and staying on it....but hard to say, drdo and other related orgs may have gotten good at marketing and underlying weak spots remain while calling everything indigenous....

 

[Azaad]

Landing gears was down and gliding was stable.

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Jet was just 5 km away from landing strip. Jet was already slowing down for landing. Jet was gliding and might have experienced thrust issues.

So it looks like with no altitude and speed the pilot couldn't glide it farther and it crashed and the pilot ejected before that.

According to an ex member of this forum , currently on another forum & former Naval pilot , known by the handle Decklander out here , prima facie this seems to be a case of engine failure going by the video of the Tejas gliding & descending smoothly on its way to a landing.

 

[Bleh]

Only once, IAF has accepted pilot mistake for any jet crash where they switched off FBW of a Su-30mki.

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Ray-ban gang is famous for crashing brand new jets & it's also possible that the maintenance teams on ground are of inferior quality than HAL test-crews, who may have done a shoddy job (I know since people, very sarkari attitude).

 

[Chinmoy]

Let's see what comes up, probe has been ordered. Flight data recorder will explain..
Sudden engine power loss before landing(5 km away) does seems sabotage.

In that case, nearly 100+ flights got sabotaged till date as landing is considered the most difficult aspect in whole flight duration.

 

[Cheran]

"Study IQ IAS"

 

[Bleh]

"Study IQ IAS"

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Ok it's a bit of a smol disaster... We used to boast of this record.

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

Those do happen for bunch of reasons including negligence intentional or unintentionally or being sloppy. One incident is not enough to cause consipiracy theories....however IAF top level is bs and never seem to address significant downgrade in lot of aspects not to mention roadmap and staying on it....but hard to say, drdo and other related orgs may have gotten good at marketing and underlying weak spots remain while calling everything indigenous....

Yea I just said if as the reports suggests it might be bigger problem hence I am a firm believer to wait for court of inquiry

 

[lcafanboy]

https://www.aninews.in/news/national/general-news/initial-reports-point-towards-engine-failure-as-cause-behind-lca-tejas-crash-in-jaisalmer-defence-officials20240312200621/

Apparently the much touted safest fighter engine GE 404 that failed. What is astonishing is LCA stabilized due to excellent FBW system that recovered Tejas and was flying gliding to land....

 

[Cheepek]

https://www.aninews.in/news/national/general-news/initial-reports-point-towards-engine-failure-as-cause-behind-lca-tejas-crash-in-jaisalmer-defence-officials20240312200621/

Apparently the much touted safest fighter engine GE 404 that failed. What is astonishing is LCA stabilized due to excellent FBW system that recovered Tejas and was flying gliding to land....

 

[brat4]

on the tejas crash:
ships are safe in the harbor - but thats not where ships were meant to be

 

[lcafanboy]

https://www.aninews.in/news/national/general-news/initial-reports-point-towards-engine-failure-as-cause-behind-lca-tejas-crash-in-jaisalmer-defence-officials20240312200621/

Apparently the much touted safest fighter engine GE 404 that failed. What is astonishing is LCA stabilized due to excellent FBW system that recovered Tejas and was flying gliding to land....

Exactly what I was thinking about and said. LCA Tejas has one of the best FBW system & excellent accident prevention system in the world. Even after engine failure Tejas didn't simply drop on the ground like other fighters drop like a stone but the FBW & accident prevention system were activated & made Tejas stable and was flying effortlessly even without a pilot input but since engine was shut and aircraft was powerless it began to descend and finally crashed. Had it been a plane land it would have landed on ground maybe with some bruises...

 

[Zoid Raptor]

Pilot knows what consequences he will face if he intentionally ejects..
It is not like that you will eject and authorities won't know about it. There are flight data recorder as well as aircraft must be informing to the base station that pilot has ejected.

Kuch bhi

After 23 years and when the war exercise was going on and they put their lives in danger on such a low altitude on glide path.... Are you sane enough....

If DRDO scientists, HAL engineers and several folks employed in critical establishments are selling or simply giving out confidential info for bobs vagene pics or NATO pilots and SOF members training chinkis for $$$$, why do y'all think this isn't possible?

Do you think chinese stole all those highly confidential tech from western defense firms and research entities without paying and planting moles!!

Some of these folks hired by CCP are well aware of the risks, tracking mechanisms employed by their respective orgs but still end up doing it for a multitude of reasons from money, promise of a better life abroad, women and the likes

 

[brat4]

@Zoid Raptor while you may be right (given there is always a non zero probability for anything), going that route right now seems a knee jerk reaction bordering on dhoti shivering.
LCA is still a new aircraft - that seems the most reasonable explanation?

 

[ezsasa]

https://www.aninews.in/news/national/general-news/initial-reports-point-towards-engine-failure-as-cause-behind-lca-tejas-crash-in-jaisalmer-defence-officials20240312200621/

Apparently the much touted safest fighter engine GE 404 that failed. What is astonishing is LCA stabilized due to excellent FBW system that recovered Tejas and was flying gliding to land....

can sand ingestion be a factor? , the jet must have been doing low passes in preparation for the exercises in pokhran. from visuals it was not clear if there is difference in altitude the fighter jets flew between vayu shakti last month and Bharat shakti now.

 

[Zoid Raptor]

@Zoid Raptor while you may be right (given there is always a non zero probability for anything), going that route right now seems a knee jerk reaction bordering on dhoti shivering.
LCA is still a new aircraft - that seems the most reasonable explanation?

I'm not saying that's the only possibility but something that we shouldn't rule out. The likelihood to fall prey for espionage is significantly higher for a population and society like ours

 

[Srinivas_K]

"Study IQ IAS"

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These guys do too much, this is exactly what they teach to IAS and IPS aspiring candidates.

I doubt if these guys have the caliber to teach to future babus.

 

[spacemarine2023]

I'm not saying that's the only possibility but something that we shouldn't rule out. The likelihood to fall prey for espionage is significantly higher for a population and society like ours

other than fuel mixture sabotage I dont see other possible for gradual power loss in engine.

any other component will alarm the pilot before even taking off…

Other issue could be ingestion of FOC

 

[daya]

Tu ku6 bhi bol dene ka adat thoda kam kar 🫤

45% of IAF air crashes due to human error | India News - Times of India

India News: The IAF has informed the parliamentary committee on defence that a whopping 45% of IAF air crashes in the last 6 years have taken place due to human e

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

Ray-ban gang is famous for crashing brand new jets & it's also possible that the maintenance teams on ground are of inferior quality than HAL test-crews, who may have done a shoddy job (I know since people, very sarkari attitude).

I've always said that the service conditions of technical crew (of lower ranks) are not good enough. This must be looked into. They(lower cadre) are very important but not ignored one.

 

[AnantS]

other than fuel mixture sabotage I dont see other possible for gradual power loss in engine.

any other component will alarm the pilot before even taking off…

Other issue could be ingestion of FOC

You mean FOD?

 

[spacemarine2023]

You mean FOD?

Foreign Object Collision on Engine