We have to enhance sant missile range 2x keeping the weight same. I don't see it happening very soon. Missiles have shelf life, it's not like these will forever be in our inventory, we will discard them 10-15 years later once our product is ready.
There is always a cost factor. To get low weight missile, one will need to use extremely complex fuel systems like solid fuel RAMJET where the solid fuel sublimes and propels the missiles. These kind of fuels will be very expensive and difficult to mass manufacture during wars. They are good for fancy shows and advertisements but unsuitable for actual combat use
Brimstone 2 is bigger missile and carries more fuel almost double.of sant.
No it's not bigger. It has upgraded rocket motor thanks to which Brimstone 2 has range of 60km yet weighs same 50kg as Sant.
Brimstone does not have 60km range but has 40km range when fired from helicopter, likely from its maximum altitude of 5-6km. While when fired from a plane likely from altitude of 10+km, it has 60km range. But no one will fire a small missile from a fighter jet. So, for all practical purpose, it is limited to be fired from helicopters only. Even there, helicopters don't normally fly at 5km altitudes. So, the range may be lesser than claimed 40km. Also, note that SANT has weight of 43kg with 8kg warhead whereas Brimstone has 53kg weight with 6kg warhead. Since the motor, seeker and other components stay the same, increase of fuel by 12kg with lower warhead size can explain the increased range.
Again Rubbish, what do you think will be the range of Sant (20km Max) from heli flying at low altitude, ?
SANT has 43kg weight with 8kg warhead, 2kg seeker & batteries, 5kg frame and motor. The total fuel is likely 28kg. In Brimstone, it is likely to have fuel of 40kg. Don't you think this will have an inherent range advantage? Moreover, the increased range with increased fuel is not linear as majority of the work is done for accelerating the missile in first 20 seconds. Then onwards, small amount of fuel can sustain longer flights. Also, there is a likelyhood of Brimstone using expensive fuel which can add to the cost.
First let Sant be embedded into a helicopter first. We will see how much it weighs.
Earlier Brimstone version had 12km range. Can you explain how it suddenly got 40km range out of nowhere? What changes were made?
You can read one of my previous comments which you replied. I've mentioned.
WW2 ejection seats were indeed low end tech with many pilots unable to eject fro planes. Modern ones arent as basic are you're making them out to be.
WW2 ejection seat was indeed low tech as they had to scale up so quickly that focus on quality was not possible. However, after WW2, pretty reliable tech for ejection seat was developed. Even Mig21 ejection seats are good technology. India had made Mig21 ejection seats in 1970s and still has the technology to make them. But I guess, the main problem is in the scaling. With India making just 6-7 planes a year, there isn't enough scale of production for running an entire plant for ejection seats
Upgraded rocket motor? Is that a serious explanation? What does upgraded motor do? Do you understand that these rockets don't have a moving motor like turbofan or ICE engines but the motor is mostly simpler combustion zones for mixing fuel with air? How can you possible improvise such a simple technology to such an extent?
You always oversimplify things for your own mental capacity.
There are many things that can be changed. But the impact of change is not significant for a solid fuel missile. If it was a liquid fuel missile, there could have been lot of changes in control and release of fuel. But for a solid fuel one, that is not the case. The design of a solid fuel combustion chamber is not very complex and if there was a better design, it would have been easily found out and implemented in the initial versions itself. The reason why the upgrade is taking after decades of lower ranged version is because the change is not about simple design but about chemistry of fuel which also makes it expensive.
Yeah. That's what they have done.
Needed armaments from MBDA? If the cost is the same, only then it makes sense. If cost is multiple times higher, it makes no sense to buy it. Using a missile of over 20km in range from a helicopter is impractical without network centric warfare. Network centric warfare is not completely reliable and not really helpful for fighting from helicopters due to inherently high risk. So, what is your obsession with Brimstone about? You don't even seem to know the reason for the difference in range of Brimstone-1 to Brimstone-2 and yet and quite gung-ho about it!
20km from heli flying at low altitude is what Brimstone2 might achieve . It's double than than what Sant can currently achieve from same altitude.
We have a new Ugra Bhairav now!
Yes, but what about the cost? Also, are you sure that SANT can't achieve similar range? Even if it weighs 10kg more, does it really matter if the cost is low? A helicopter can easily carry 1.5ton weight. Even if it carries 16 of these missiles, it will still be 960kg vs 800kg. A 160kg difference is not going to change much. if the cost is much lower, then minor quality compromsies is better for quantity increase
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