LCA TEJAS MK1 & MK1A: News and Discussion

[Enquirer]

For the Brahmos NG to be fitted on the LCA, the weight of the missile should be kept under 1.2 tons, then technically Tejas should be able to carry 2-3.

Fantastic! 2x CCMs + 2x BVRAAM + 2x ASM + 1x Supersonic Drop Tank. That's true Swing Role weapon load configuration for a light fighter.

Also, with Brahmos NG weighing 1500 Kg, it is now confirmed that max. load per station has gone upwards of 1500 for inner board stations from an earlier rating of 1200 kgs. That's how you evolve a platform whose design is in your hand.

BTW where is @Sancho the resident Pappu of Tejas threads. Who used to say Tejas is not Swing Role and other gems of his utter ignorance.



It is easier to rate the inner board stations for plus 1500 kg combat loads. Apparently, which has already been done.

The fact that they've already displayed a mockup of Brahmos-NG under the current Tejas Mk1 means that Brahmos-NG missile could be in the range of 1200-1500 kg.....without needing any wing redesign. Tejas Mk1A's could be equipped with Brahmos-NG.

The big question now is.....what is the status of Brahmos-NG?? Until about a year back Brahmos-NG wasn't even an approved project.

It's not unusual for DRDO to display mockups of product concepts - whose project is not even approved!

 

[Rahul Singh]

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[Rahul Singh]

The fact that they've already displayed a mockup of Brahmos-NG under the current Tejas Mk1 means that Brahmos-NG missile could be in the range of 1200-1500 kg.....without needing any wing redesign. Tejas Mk1A's could be equipped with Brahmos-NG.

The big question now is.....what is the status of Brahmos-NG?? Until about a year back Brahmos-NG wasn't even an approved project.

It's not unusual for DRDO to display mockups of product concepts - whose project is not even approved!

I won't comment on Brahmos NG approval as I have not followed it. Logically speaking, it is like a must have for SU-30 MKI strike capability and something which is doable.

WRT Tejas MK-1. If they are displaying Tejas MK-1 with Brahmos NG then it won't be without reason. At 1500 Kg Brahmos NG was too heavy for inner-bord stations. Now an LSP Tejas is seen with its mockup. There is a meaning to it. Most certainly completion of wind tunnel tests and higher load rating of hardpoints.

 

[Enquirer]

I won't comment on Brahmos NG approval as I have not followed it. Logically speaking, it is like a must have for SU-30 MKI strike capability and something which is doable.

Yes, it's very much doable. The concept has been lying with the government for several years. Every time Modi goes to Russia or Putin comes to India, there's expectation that Brahmos-NG would be signed; but unfortunately it hasn't been. But the fact that it gets talked about so often, it means it's pretty close - there could be budgetary issues or a need to stagger the goodies given to Russia so as it keep some carrot dangling ahead for Russia.

Brahmos-NG is not so much a must have for Su-30MKI; Sukhois are already enabled with Brahmos that have a range upto 600 kms! The real need of Brahmos-NG is for Mig-29, Mig-29K (carrier based) & Tejas.
Having Mig-29Ks armed with Brahmos-NG will immediately make Vikramaditya & Vikrant highly potent!!

WRT Tejas MK-1. If they are displaying Tejas MK-1 with Brahmos NG then it won't be without reason. At 1500 Kg Brahmos NG was too heavy for inner-bord stations. Now an LSP Tejas is seen with its mockup. There is a meaning to it. Most certainly completion of wind tunnel tests and higher load rating of hardpoints.

That weight rationing for each port was never hard data presented by ADA. It was just fanboys deducing the weight limit based on the external fuel tanks. The tank size/weight could have also been limited, taking the aerodynamic drag into consideration. If Tejas-Mk1 is being displayed with Brahmos-NG mockup then it at the least means that the pylon and Brahmos-NG are compatible (in terms of weight capacity)

 

[Rahul Singh]

Brahmos-NG is not so much a must have for Su-30MKI; Sukhois are already enabled with Brahmos that have a range upto 600 kms! The real need of Brahmos-NG is for Mig-29, Mig-29K (carrier based) & Tejas.
Having Mig-29Ks armed with Brahmos-NG will immediately make Vikramaditya & Vikrant highly potent!!

"Must have" wrt to SU 30 MKI was in terms of numbers carried.

That weight rationing for each port was never hard data presented by ADA. It was just fanboys deducing the weight limit based on the external fuel tanks. The tank size/weight could have also been limited, taking the aerodynamic drag into consideration. If Tejas-Mk1 is being displayed with Brahmos-NG mockup then it at the least means that the pylon and Brahmos-NG are compatible (in terms of weight capacity)

1200 Kg was not exactly a fanboy data. It came to knowledge after chit chats at one Aero India a decade ago.

Anyway, there could be many meanings to displaying Brahmos NG on an LSP Tejas. One could be telling MoD by DRDO-ADA combined: feasibility work is done awaiting your do ahead.

 

[Advaidhya Tiwari]

It appears that MWF (LCA Mk2) will have IRST. Just look that protruding camera like thing near the fuel probe-

This shows that IRST has been included in the design if the plane. India was also said to have started development of indigenous IRST in 2017. So, Tejas MK2 is likely to be a very potent fighter jet and comparable to the levels of Rafale, F16 in terms of potency (except payload)

 

[Rahul Singh]

It appears that MWF (LCA Mk2) will have IRST. Just look that protruding camera like thing near the fuel probe-
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This shows that IRST has been included in the design if the plane. India was also said to have started development of indigenous IRST in 2017. So, Tejas MK2 is likely to be a very potent fighter jet and comparable to the levels of Rafale, F16 in terms of potency (except payload)

It basically says no thank you to SEF contenders also called MMRCA 2.0.

 

[Advaidhya Tiwari]

It basically says no thank you to SEF contenders also called MMRCA 2.0.

I remember Doval saying that all defence deals made by this government has TOT. Also, Parrikar was clear that India has Su30 and doesn't need Rafale unless there is something on offer.

I am of the belief that France was asked to give TOT in some segment like RAM paint, IIR sensor of 480p resolution. France also has been saying that Rafale can fly with 90kN engine which means Kaveri engine.

France was given small initial orders with 100% extra payment as offsets to give the TOT. If France doesn't betray, MMRCA-2 will be conducted and Rafale given the additional orders. It appears that France has delivered on its offset promise and hence MMRCA2 will go ahead as final payment for the TOT

 

[rone]

As i precidted irst wing tip pylons

 

[Innocent]

Tejas gets FOC.. .............

 

[Enquirer]

It basically says no thank you to SEF contenders also called MMRCA 2.0.

Not if you look at Mk2 timeline....

 

[rone]

Tejas gets FOC.. .............

LCA with weapon load and IFR pod look so sexy, my focus was on LCA than on ceremony

 

[V_Force]

LCA with weapon load and IFR pod look so sexy, my focus was on LCA than on ceremony

I ALSO FELT SAME.

FINALLY SOME GOOD NEWS, I THINK GOVT. SHOULD HAVE TO ASSIGN SOME PRIVATE PLAYER LIKE TATA, MAHINDRA OR L&T TO OPEN A PARALLEL TEJAS MANUFACTURING LINE TO BOOST PRODUCTION AND TO TEACH A LESSON TO OUR WHITE ELEPHANT DPSUs AND "HAL".

 

[Rahul Singh]

Not if you look at Mk2 timeline....

Since SEF is will have no jet coming in Fly away condition and has to be produced from the first example to last in India at a factory which is yet to be built. Notwithstanding that deal is far from being concluded. I don't think it will be able to offer significant advantage wrt timeline. 3-4 years at expense of 20 billion dollars is not smart. That money can be better utilised in the development of AMCA.

 

[Enquirer]

Since SEF is will have no jet coming in Fly away condition and has to be produced from the first example to last in India at a factory which is yet to be built. Notwithstanding that deal is far from being concluded. I don't think it will be able to offer significant advantage wrt timeline. 3-4 years at expense of 20 billion dollars is not smart. That money can be better utilised in the development of AMCA.

It's no longer SEF...it's back to MMRCA
I never understood the ridiculous requirement of 'Single engined fighter'

You're right about the setup time. Although only thing that might be made from scratch would be the airframe.....all other parts will probably come from the OEM to be dropped into the airframe.

My personal suggestion would be to just get 2-3 more squadrons of Rafales and be done with it. Getting any other type would only create logistical nightmare with different aircraft types....and worse their associated weaponry.

I've a feeling that the MMRCA 2.0 is just a front to buy more Rafales......given that India already paid for the India specific custom development work, Rafale will come out to be L1 in MMRCA 2.0!!

 

[Rahul Singh]

My personal suggestion would be to just get 2-3 more squadrons of Rafales and be done with it. Getting any other type would only create logistical nightmare with different aircraft types....and worse their associated weaponry.

I wanted to put the same in last post but did not like bringing Rafale here. Glad! we share the same thought.

 

[cannonfodder]

Gun firing not certified yet; nothing wrong in AC. Only lower priority - Indranil BR

 

[proud_indian]

First flight of LCA Tejas Mk.1A will be in 2022, says HAL. Our detailed report on the type:

 

[Enquirer]

First flight of LCA Tejas Mk.1A will be in 2022, says HAL. Our detailed report on the type:

Seriously??????????????????????????

 

[proud_indian]

Seriously??????????????????????????

I am not surprised. Are you?


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