LCA TEJAS MK1 & MK1A: News and Discussion

[Brood Father]

How Tejas Mark 2 is evolving into a bigger, powerful fighter – Indian Defence Research Wing

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Does Ajai Shukla not belong to Chandigarh lobby ? Him batting for MK2 is forcing me to think that he is a patriot after all , he is just Anti BJP ..

 

[IndianHawk]

How Tejas Mark 2 is evolving into a bigger, powerful fighter – Indian Defence Research Wing

idrw.org

Does Ajai Shukla not belong to Chandigarh lobby ? Him batting for MK2 is forcing me to think that he is a patriot after all , he is just Anti BJP ..

He is not batting for anything just posting facts for business standard. Editorial board of which may demand proper facts for publication.

He is too close to gandhi family to be a patriot.

 

[Roland55]

U have done quite a lot of time investment here , nice job mate

Thanks, lets say i kinda like following the program, and the visit to Bangalore shows a lot (wing assembly, rigs, airframes, etc...i just shared what caught my attention)

 

[ManhattanProject]

These are all wrong, typical shitposting. Economic reasons mostly. A price drop to below 50k crores. HAL cut its profit on Tejas Mark1A deal by 50%, post of the addition spares were top be seperate.

Like that, technical ironings took time.

is he a dalal

 

[vishnugupt]

is he a dalal

His knowledge and love towards Mig-21 is a evidence that handle belong to a IAF person or their stupid offspring.

Mig-21 Radar don't have a range of what needed to fire a BVR.

Tell this Chutiy@ if Mig-21 is superior and equal to MK1a than why don't UNAF ask HAL to start manufacturing more mig -21 and also postpone retirement of current mig-21 fleet, perhaps till 2060.

Or they can buy more superior junk Mig-21 from China or former USSR counties like now days UNAF is doing.

When you say this, I am sure he will show you a hallmark of UNAF.... "A CRY BABY"

 

[Brood Father]

is he a dalal

Bison is better than Tejas ?? ..holy fuck
No turbofan engine , no fbw , no safety feature for pilots ..I mean wtf is he smoking ...
This has turned into catastrophe by killing our finest and that too for nothing ...These IAF jokers should be tried and should be held accountable on delaying / sabotaging Tejas so that they could kill more of our pilots ...

 

[MirageBlue]

Bison is better than Tejas ?? ..holy fuck
No turbofan engine , no fbw , no safety feature for pilots ..I mean wtf is he smoking ...
This has turned into catastrophe by killing our finest and that too for nothing ...These IAF jokers should be tried and should be held accountable on delaying / sabotaging Tejas so that they could kill more of our pilots ...

you'll run into any number of buffoons on the web, it can't be helped. If someone thinks that the Tejas is inferior to the Bison to this day, well what can one say? There's ignorance and then there's bias. Both put together can give a potent combination is idiocy. Add confidence to the mix and you have arrogant idiots.

 

[MonaLazy]

you'll run into any number of buffoons on the web, it can't be helped. If someone thinks that the Tejas is inferior to the Bison to this day, well what can one say? There's ignorance and then there's bias. Both put together can give a potent combination is idiocy. Add confidence to the mix and you have arrogant idiots.

To that add the ba$tard situation our neighbours in Inbredistan find themselves in. Totally cut-off from their Indic roots and feeling stooopid about why they got themselves a nation- will lie through their teeth to keep up their fake sense of righteousness.

 

[Bleh]

is he a dalal

A bit retarded comment.. People do that when they don't wanna lose the argument at any cost. But technically I'd say bison is better than FOC at BVR-engagement because of absence of EW on Tejas until now.

 

[mist_consecutive]

A bit retarded comment.. People do that when they don't wanna lose the argument at any cost. But technically I'd say bison is better than FOC at BVR-engagement because of absence of EW on Tejas until now.

Both Bison and Tejas Mk1 FOC carry Elta ELM-8222 SPJ pod for EW. Mk1A will have an in-build EW suite integrated with Uttam AESA. Not sure if Elta-2052 has EW capability.

If both Bison and Tejas Mk1 carry an SPJ pod, that leaves Bison with 3 hardpoints for A2A weapons. For Mk1 it is 6 hardpoints left for A2A weapons (SPJ at left-centerline pylon).
Also, Kopyo radar of Bison is much inferior to Elta-2052 AESA of Mk1.

 

[Bleh]

Tejas Mk1 FOC carry Elta ELM-8222 SPJ pod for EW.

Pretty sure that's not correct. Never seen.. Very recently heard of has been integrated in that interview.

Superiority on rest, radar & armament, are all given. Not even going there.

 

[porky_kicker]

A bit retarded comment.. People do that when they don't wanna lose the argument at any cost. But technically I'd say bison is better than FOC at BVR-engagement because of absence of EW on Tejas until now.

What has BVR engagement got to do with EW ?

Or/and

What is the link between air to air weapon and onboard/external EW ?

 

[Bleh]

What has BVR engagement got to do with EW ?

Everything!

You'd prefer to go in a BVR-engagement in a jet with EW or without, other factor remaining unchanged? (ok, me saying "bison is better than FOC at BVR-engagement" was inaccurate, shouldn't have said that)

 

[porky_kicker]

Everything!

You'd prefer to go in a BVR-engagement in a jet with EW or without, other factor remaining unchanged? (ok, me saying "bison is better than FOC at BVR-engagement" was inaccurate, shouldn't have said that)

Bro I have zero interest in comparisons , be it bison ver lca or anything, question was kind of out of curiosity

My query was What has bvraam launch against a hostile aircraft got to do with launch aircraft EW , direct role of onboard EW systems in the bvraam launch, engagement etc

Afaik bvr engagement has nothing to do with EW systems ( internal or external ) directly

Afaik Bvr engagement of hostiles is directly dependent on onboard radar & it's ECCM capabilities ( additionally bvr own seeker ECCM capabilities )

Afaik Internal or external EW (pods) capabilities are to enable aircraft protection against EM spectrum actions thrown against it , eg hostile bvr seeker target lock break jamming etc , hostile aircraft onboard radar spoofing jamming etc , threat detection, warning etc

 

[flanker99]

Both Bison and Tejas Mk1 FOC carry Elta ELM-8222 SPJ pod for EW. Mk1A will have an in-build EW suite integrated with Uttam AESA. Not sure if Elta-2052 has EW capability.

If both Bison and Tejas Mk1 carry an SPJ pod, that leaves Bison with 3 hardpoints for A2A weapons. For Mk1 it is 6 hardpoints left for A2A weapons (SPJ at left-centerline pylon).
Also, Kopyo radar of Bison is much inferior to Elta-2052 AESA of Mk1.

Mk1 has 2032 pesa

 

[samsaptaka]

is he a dalal

That guy should be told to tell this MiG21 superiority statement to the families of so many young pilots (very recently one more we lost) who lost their lives flying this ruskie outdated death trap !

 

[Shashank Nayak]

That guy should be told to tell this MiG21 superiority statement to the families of so many young pilots (very recently one more we lost) who lost their lives flying this ruskie outdated death trap !

The Elta EL/M-2032 radar on LCA Tejas has a higher detection range than the Kopyo radar on Mig 21..

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

Both Bison and Tejas Mk1 FOC carry Elta ELM-8222 SPJ pod for EW. Mk1A will have an in-build EW suite integrated with Uttam AESA. Not sure if Elta-2052 has EW capability.

If both Bison and Tejas Mk1 carry an SPJ pod, that leaves Bison with 3 hardpoints for A2A weapons. For Mk1 it is 6 hardpoints left for A2A weapons (SPJ at left-centerline pylon).
Also, Kopyo radar of Bison is much inferior to Elta-2052 AESA of Mk1.

It's only reported Mk1A will carry an SPJ on one of its hardpoint and definitely not inbuilt. Mk1A don't have space for it. Mk2 will have inbuilt ones.
FOC might have something in the future but we haven't seen anything except test flights.

Second it's 2032 MMR radar for Mk1 and not AESA.

 

[mist_consecutive]

It's only reported Mk1A will carry an SPJ on one of its hardpoint and definitely not inbuilt. Mk1A don't have space for it. Mk2 will have inbuilt ones.
FOC might have something in the future but we haven't seen anything except test flights.

Second it's 2032 MMR radar for Mk1 and not AESA.

Elta ELM-8222 is used by majority of IAF jets as personal EW/Jammer. Mk1 can carry it, so can Mig-21.
If we mount the jammer on Tejas Mk1’s hardpoints, it can still carry 6 missiles, while Mig-21 can carry only 3. So a clear edge in A2A/BVR combat.

Tejas Mk1A will be integrated with Uttam AESA radar which has in-built EW capability according to its brochure.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

Elta ELM-8222 is used by majority of IAF jets as personal EW/Jammer. Mk1 can carry it, so can Mig-21.
If we mount the jammer on Tejas Mk1’s hardpoints, it can still carry 6 missiles, while Mig-21 can carry only 3. So a clear edge in A2A/BVR combat.

Tejas Mk1A will be integrated with Uttam AESA radar which has in-built EW capability according to its brochure.

I am not disputing the ability of Mk1 to carry the 8222 jammer. I am pretty aware it has been tested in an LSP. But is it part of IOC/FOC? Has it ordered for Mk1 squadron? We don't know.

We do all know for sure Abhinandans communication was blocked. Was his Mig21 not carrying the EW in an forward base? If it was not, then how many units IAF has? If IAF cannot spare suites for forward bases, how many Tejas will have?
I am pretty sure standalone EW would have more range and powerful than an inbuilt one. I may be wrong, I don't have the specs. Mk2 is planned to have inbuilt powerful EW suite different from the integrated radar EW suite.