LCA TEJAS MK1 & MK1A: News and Discussion

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the range of radar should outmatch the bvr missile range to effectively guide it to its target.
Should? Yes. Must? Technically no. Technically the fire control needs to come for a sum total of the burn distance- a part may come from fighter and remaining from the missile's seeker.
However it's a pretty naive assumption that IAF will go ahead and select a radar with capabilities less than the one it already has planned to make Operational in other units of the same aircraft. Also, that the development agency that has developed an AWACS platform will offer such radar after 3 years of testing
 

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Uttam aesa performance has been benchmarked against elta 2052. And uttam is found to be equal if not better than elta. Elta 2052 itself beat Thales aesa offer from France.

This performance was derived from GaS components. And now GaN components are being produced. Which will further improve performance.

In real world uttam can not only guide astra / mk1/ mk2 / Derby ER. But it can also guide meteor successfully too. No one will disclose true range but published ranges are very very conservative.

Uttam radar scaled for su30mki will be a beast and will be much much more powerful than current Rafale radar.

Performance equivalent to Rafale aesa could be realised in MWF sized aesa itself.
 

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Uttam aesa performance has been benchmarked against elta 2052. And uttam is found to be equal if not better than elta. Elta 2052 itself beat Thales aesa offer from France.

This performance was derived from GaS components. And now GaN components are being produced. Which will further improve performance.

In real world uttam can not only guide astra / mk1/ mk2 / Derby ER. But it can also guide meteor successfully too. No one will disclose true range but published ranges are very very conservative.

Uttam radar scaled for su30mki will be a beast and will be much much more powerful than current Rafale radar.

Performance equivalent to Rafale aesa could be realised in MWF sized aesa itself.
I think that Mk1A, Gripen E, Rafale all have rather small radars - less than 1,000 T/R modules. Last time I looked at Typhoon AESA development (years ago) it was intended to have more than 1,400 T/R modules. Does that mean the Typhoon AESA should be much more powerful? In addition it uses a swatchplate widening its 'field of view'.
 

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I think that Mk1A, Gripen E, Rafale all have rather small radars - less than 1,000 T/R modules. Last time I looked at Typhoon AESA development (years ago) it was intended to have more than 1,400 T/R modules. Does that mean the Typhoon AESA should be much more powerful? In addition it uses a swatchplate widening its 'field of view'.
If all these radars use similar components then radar with more T/R modules will be more powerful. It also depends on how much electric power engine can output and how aesa is cooled. On those parameters too typhoon is ahead .

But a GaN based radar could match or exceed GaS based aesa performance even with less T/R modules.

Hence I said that MWF radar could match Rafale level performance ( unless Rafale is also updated with GaN based radar in future).

And that's why su30mki radar based on GaN aesa will beat them all barring F22 /f15 only.
 

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Uttam aesa performance has been benchmarked against elta 2052. And uttam is found to be equal if not better than elta. Elta 2052 itself beat Thales aesa offer from France.

This performance was derived from GaS components. And now GaN components are being produced. Which will further improve performance.

In real world uttam can not only guide astra / mk1/ mk2 / Derby ER. But it can also guide meteor successfully too. No one will disclose true range but published ranges are very very conservative.

Uttam radar scaled for su30mki will be a beast and will be much much more powerful than current Rafale radar.

Performance equivalent to Rafale aesa could be realised in MWF sized aesa itself.
It's GaAs not GaS both are different
 

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Hey guys. I guess Tejas could finally win The Malaysian Tender. What do you all Think about it?
Now only 3 Aircrafts are Left in Malaysia's tender:
Fingers crossed, I am praying that Malaysia will be the First Export customer most Probably in my opinion
Its either gonna be KAI FA-50 or M346.
 

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Its either gonna be KAI FA-50 or M346.
Any reason for saying that Tejas will not be selected? Price? Performance? Availability? Because HAL has a reputation for being late? Because it is Indian (politics)? Because of concerns about support?
 
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No. Its inferior in some aspects like Radar will be more Superior on The Tejas. Also LCA Tejas has access to better and More Capable Missiles like Derby ,R-73 etc. The block 3 JF 17 is not going to be like absolutely better than Tejas mk1a or at the Same level,JF 17 block 3 is Decent and it's definitely a Good Aircraft for its price(can't deny that) but Still Tejas mk1a is better in some Aspects. Block 3 will be a good Fighter with PL-15 missile.
JF17 B3 is nowhere close to Tejas MK1a.
 

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Any reason for saying that Tejas will not be selected? Price? Performance? Availability? Because HAL has a reputation for being late? Because it is Indian (politics)? Because of concerns about support?
So what? What? Tejas cannot get selected? Is That the case here. In my opinion Tejas has the Highest Chance here
FA 50 is the most matured and established platform out of all the competiti. It shares most of the weaponry with FA-18s that are already in service with Malaysia. So it will be the easiest to integrate. Its most likely MRO facilites for FA 50 can be operated by Malaysians themselves which is big positive since Mig 29s and Hawks of Malaysian airforce suffer heavily due to lack of service. Also KAI is rhe only one that can deliver aircrafts from 2024-25. All in all you get a matured and reliable aircraft. M346 has similar positives with only later delivery time.

Mig 35s are unlikely because of CAASTA and MH-18 shootdown. So its a big political risk. Tejas Mk1A as of now is on paper and its important components and armament comes from Israel which Malaysia doesn't even recognize so politically its unlikely to go ahead. Add to that first fully certified Mk1A will only fly in 2025 and even if HAL offers to replace Israeli components with French or American ones testing and certification for such MK1As won't be completed till 2027 atleast. Also HAL will have to set up MRO facilities in Malaysia which will be time consuming and given HALs horrible record with it, Ecuadorian Dhruv saga, Tejas is just not a reliable bet.
 

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100km range of Uttam Aesa? Is that good enough? Elta 2052 has a range double of that.
100 Km range against what and 200km range against what?
It's 150km+ mate for a target of 2m2, that guy regularly messes up data, why such needs to be repeated everytime someone starts vomiting on twitter?

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Radars of MWF, Super Sukhoi, which has been confirmed that Sukhoi and Fulcrum will sport Uttam aesa will be more powerful with higher range.

Please don't repeat the same nonsense again and again, do a google search before getting carried away,

Amit made a vide on it recently, go through it if you want more details (It's in inthi).

Also, for uttam aesa radar we have dedicated thread, use that not this one.
 

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