LCA TEJAS MK1 & MK1A: News and Discussion

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Pls delete my last 3 messages including this.
See the thing is, 6 FOC Tejas have been flight-tested by now but none has been delivered.
There is nothing you can do to bypass developmental timeframe. There's no shortcuts in R&D. Derby integration will be taking place on all of them, maybe next month we'll have Astra tested then integration of that to all of them will take up another few weeks.

And ADA has better people who can make better CAD models... but they don't do PR, so some of us are taking initiative to cover that.
 
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See the thing is, 6 FOC Tejas have been flight-tested by now but none has been delivered.
There is nothing you can do to bypass developmental timeframe. There's no shortcuts in R&D.
You don't find a 2 year break in deliveries between IOC and FOC aircraft extraordinary? Was that the plan? While you may not be able to bypass developmental timeframe, you can recognise that it is too slow and make changes to improve it.
Derby integration will be taking place on all of them, maybe next month we'll have Astra tested then integration of that to all of them will take up another few weeks.
I have not heard of other manufacturers not being able to deliver aircraft because additional missiles are being integrated.
 
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You don't find a 2 year break in deliveries between IOC and FOC aircraft extraordinary? While you may not be able to bypass developmental timeframe, you can recognise that it is too slow and make changes to improve it.

I have not heard of other manufacturers not being able to deliver aircraft because additional missiles are being integrated.
Considering the airforce have not complained about the delivery delay, there might be a very good reason for it.
 

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Considering the airforce have not complained about the delivery delay, there might be a very good reason for it.
There might be a very good reason for it (base not ready, contract payments not met etc). If not, what will de done about it? Nothing?
 

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Derby-ER tested on Tejas. Derby-ER is equipped with a Software Based Radio RF seeker and dual pulse rocket motor. The use of SDR technology enables the seeker to be reprogrammed with software upgrades including new waveforms, duty cycles and processing techniques, addressing new threats, countermeasures and techniques that may evolve through the missile's lifespan of 20-30 years. The dual-pulse rocket motor facilitates high energy target engagement at over 100-km range.

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Unlikely to face sanctions on US engines for Tejas: Official
SOURCE: IDRW NEWS NETWORK

India’s S-400 purchase from Russia could trigger CAATSA sanctions that may affect the supply of American General Electric F404-GE-IN20 and F414-INS6 that are been selected to power India’s Tejas Mk1/1A and LCA-AF Mk2 Program, but a senior ranking official from India’s state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) official who spoke to idrw.org on condition of anonymity said that they’re in touch with Aerospace engine maker GE over this and are working out deliveries of future batches of engines (F404-GE-IN20) to be used on the recently ordered 83 Tejas Mk1A and it’s unlikely they will be disruption in supply due to CAATSA.

Indian Air Force (IAF) and HAL officials who regularly meet have not discussed this matter and for the time being no alternative engines for the Indigenous fighter jets have been planned or considered as speculated on some section of the media. When asked if Indigenous Kaveri Dry engine with Afterburner section that is under development for the unmanned combat aerial vehicle (UCAV) program can be used to power Tejas Mk1A, idrw.org was told Kaveri engine has been delinked from the LCA-Tejas program due to insufficient generation of power from the engine and the engine still can’t generate required thrust to be considered as an option for the LCA-Tejas Mk1A program.

Kaveri Dry engine can generate only 46kN class of thrust that if added with an afterburner section power generation jumps to 74kN class of thrust, just not enough power or replace present F404-GE-IN20 engines that generate 84kN Thrust class when afterburner is engaged. GTRE is currently developing 4 Prototypes of the Kaveri Dry engine to be used for the UCAV program, but it is still 3-4 years away from being cleared for production. When asked if M88-3 engines used on Dassault Rafale can be used on the LCA-Tejas Mk1A program if the need arises, idrw.org was told that M88-3 engines are not cleared to power single-engine fighter class of jets and it could require several minor changes and hardening of some sections by the Safran so that it can have a higher tolerance to damages and improved safety measures before it can be considered, same way F414 engine had to undergo changes and additional safety measures added for operations from single-engined LCA-AF Mk2 Program.



GE Engineers will assist HAL on engine integration in LCA AF-Mk2
SOURCE: IDRW NEWS NETWORK

US General Electric Engineers will be down in Bengaluru mid of next year to assists Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) technicians in the integration of the American supplied F414-INS6 engines for the LCA AF-Mk2 program as part of the Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) commitment for the program said informed sources close to idrw.org. HAL plans to roll out the first LCA AF-Mk2 pre-production aircraft by August 2022 that will be followed up with series of ground trials of the aircraft before it is ready for its first flight in 2023.

Integration of the engine will be carried out by the HAL technicians under the supervision of the General Electric Engineers that will arrive from the United States. HAL already has received the first batch of F414-INS6 engine from GE a year ago and the engines have been kept in storage but are grounded tested and serviced at regular intervals as per service manuals of the OEM.

HAL already has started metal cutting exercise for manufacturing of the components for the LCA AF-Mk2 program and also has floated tender for procurement of 20 x 8 multi-touch screen Large Area Display (LAD) for the first two units and also has procured ground tools for assembly of the first aircraft. HAL plans to put the first aircraft on assembly jig in early 2022 and plans to roll out the first aircraft later in the year.
 

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Derby-ER tested on Tejas. Derby-ER is equipped with a Software Based Radio RF seeker and dual pulse rocket motor. The use of SDR technology enables the seeker to be reprogrammed with software upgrades including new waveforms, duty cycles and processing techniques, addressing new threats, countermeasures and techniques that may evolve through the missile's lifespan of 20-30 years. The dual-pulse rocket motor facilitates high energy target engagement at over 100-km range.

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Unlikely to face sanctions on US engines for Tejas: Official
SOURCE: IDRW NEWS NETWORK

India’s S-400 purchase from Russia could trigger CAATSA sanctions that may affect the supply of American General Electric F404-GE-IN20 and F414-INS6 that are been selected to power India’s Tejas Mk1/1A and LCA-AF Mk2 Program, but a senior ranking official from India’s state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) official who spoke to idrw.org on condition of anonymity said that they’re in touch with Aerospace engine maker GE over this and are working out deliveries of future batches of engines (F404-GE-IN20) to be used on the recently ordered 83 Tejas Mk1A and it’s unlikely they will be disruption in supply due to CAATSA.

Indian Air Force (IAF) and HAL officials who regularly meet have not discussed this matter and for the time being no alternative engines for the Indigenous fighter jets have been planned or considered as speculated on some section of the media. When asked if Indigenous Kaveri Dry engine with Afterburner section that is under development for the unmanned combat aerial vehicle (UCAV) program can be used to power Tejas Mk1A, idrw.org was told Kaveri engine has been delinked from the LCA-Tejas program due to insufficient generation of power from the engine and the engine still can’t generate required thrust to be considered as an option for the LCA-Tejas Mk1A program.

Kaveri Dry engine can generate only 46kN class of thrust that if added with an afterburner section power generation jumps to 74kN class of thrust, just not enough power or replace present F404-GE-IN20 engines that generate 84kN Thrust class when afterburner is engaged. GTRE is currently developing 4 Prototypes of the Kaveri Dry engine to be used for the UCAV program, but it is still 3-4 years away from being cleared for production. When asked if M88-3 engines used on Dassault Rafale can be used on the LCA-Tejas Mk1A program if the need arises, idrw.org was told that M88-3 engines are not cleared to power single-engine fighter class of jets and it could require several minor changes and hardening of some sections by the Safran so that it can have a higher tolerance to damages and improved safety measures before it can be considered, same way F414 engine had to undergo changes and additional safety measures added for operations from single-engined LCA-AF Mk2 Program.



GE Engineers will assist HAL on engine integration in LCA AF-Mk2
SOURCE: IDRW NEWS NETWORK

US General Electric Engineers will be down in Bengaluru mid of next year to assists Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) technicians in the integration of the American supplied F414-INS6 engines for the LCA AF-Mk2 program as part of the Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) commitment for the program said informed sources close to idrw.org. HAL plans to roll out the first LCA AF-Mk2 pre-production aircraft by August 2022 that will be followed up with series of ground trials of the aircraft before it is ready for its first flight in 2023.

Integration of the engine will be carried out by the HAL technicians under the supervision of the General Electric Engineers that will arrive from the United States. HAL already has received the first batch of F414-INS6 engine from GE a year ago and the engines have been kept in storage but are grounded tested and serviced at regular intervals as per service manuals of the OEM.

HAL already has started metal cutting exercise for manufacturing of the components for the LCA AF-Mk2 program and also has floated tender for procurement of 20 x 8 multi-touch screen Large Area Display (LAD) for the first two units and also has procured ground tools for assembly of the first aircraft. HAL plans to put the first aircraft on assembly jig in early 2022 and plans to roll out the first aircraft later in the year.
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Usually in American jets I have seen that the missile is first dripped from the fuselage a few feet and then it ignites its motor, why that is not followed in Tejas ? Pros Cons ?


More than 4K skilled workers would idle..Cant we use them for LCA tejas production.. Surprising..
Unsurprising, they will remain idle and tejas will be delayed.... accustomed to babudom you are not it appears !
 

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See the thing is, 6 FOC Tejas have been flight-tested by now but none has been delivered.
There is nothing you can do to bypass developmental timeframe. There's no shortcuts in R&D. Derby integration will be taking place on all of them, maybe next month we'll have Astra tested then integration of that to all of them will take up another few weeks.

And ADA has better people who can make better CAD models... but they don't do PR, so some of us are taking initiative to cover that.
Why can't they deliver 3, integrate 3, deliver them, and integrate on the rest ? Why all 6 in one shot, that too 2 years ! Too much speculation, and we are giving too much benefit of doubt these babus. China virus did delay by 5 months, but that still leaves 1.5 yrs , what was HAL doing all that time ? This only makes IAF again look to import ! Vicious cycle. All PSU should be privatized ASAP
 

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Usually in American jets I have seen that the missile is first dripped from the fuselage a few feet and then it ignites its motor, why that is not followed in Tejas ? Pros Cons ?


Unsurprising, they will remain idle and tejas will be delayed.... accustomed to babudom you are not it appears !
You mean ejector launcher?
 

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Unsurprising, they will remain idle and tejas will be delayed.... accustomed to babudom you are not it appears !
What I find curious is that I remember hearing some time ago that Tejas production could rise to 20 a year - 8 at established plant, 8 at new plant, 4 at Nashik. If Nashik has been assembling 15-16 MKI a year, why would it produce 4 Tejas a year? I don't understand.
 

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