LCA TEJAS MK1 & MK1A: News and Discussion

[Suryavanshi]

Bdw how jf17 will be the best...........

I never said they will be the best, I said they will he a threat.
Anything that flies and shoots misisle will he a threat.

It will have a Chinese air cooled aesa where Tejas wil have isarel aesa

Any sort of upgarde will tilt the odd in their favour.

Though for now the jf nos are more ..but the jf17 blk 1 s are inferior to Tejas ioc

What makes u think they won't get a upagrade.

 

[patriots]

I never said they will be the best, I said they will he a threat.
Anything that flies and shoots misisle will he a threat.


Any sort of upgarde will tilt the odd in their favour.

What makes u think they won't get a upagrade.

JF-17: China delivers first overhauled JF-17 fighter jet to Pakistan

This is also the first time AVIC has overhauled a made-for-export third generation fighter, or fourth generation according to another widely used standard, the report said.

www.google.com

Read this one.......
The blk1 didn't have ifr ......and
Didn't iaf forced hal to add ifr in foc ....as it is a must requirement for a modern jet

 

[Bleh]

Tejas is delayed also because of American sanctions they stopped supplying engines after 1998 nuclear tests

What delay?.. They started designing in 1992 & it was ready for flight in 8 years.

Now it was a clean sheet design of a 4th gen fighter while India skipped the whole 3rd gen. So maturing the avionics & software & weaponary would need the time.

 

[ARVION]

What delay?.. They started designing in 1992 & it was ready for flight in 8 years.

Now it was a clean sheet design of a 4th gen fighter while India skipped the whole 3rd gen. So maturing the avionics & software & weaponary would need the time.

If I remember correctly the prototype was shown in 1995 but was delayed and a major redesigning was neede for it to take its first flight in 2000's .

 

[Bleh]

If I remember correctly the prototype was shown in 1995 but was delayed a and major redesigning was neede for it to take its first flight in 2000's .

Concept probably. Highly unlikely that they could prototype it in only 3 years.

 

[ARVION]

Concept probably. Highly unlikely that they could prototype it in only 3 years.

May be that the reason why we are not showing any mock up of mk 2 , amca or orca now . It was a major embarrassment for the hal and drdo at that time .

 

[Chandragupt Maurya]

What delay?.. They started designing in 1992 & it was ready for flight in 8 years.

Now it was a clean sheet design of a 4th gen fighter while India skipped the whole 3rd gen. So maturing the avionics & software & weaponary would need the time.

I was talking about American engines as long as we import American engines to be fitted in Tejas It is vulnerable to American sanctions and Pakistan is an ally of US the biggest non NATO ally it’s the economic and millitary strength of India and rise of China which has forced USA to maintain cordial relations with India otherwise Pakistan is their traditional ally they have armed Pakistan to counter India

 

[patriots]

Ok some updates on Tejas
1.astra integration is on
2.ioc jets with derby are in testing phase
3.the foc Tejas is only able to carry 2 bvrs
4.the Centerline pylon is only qualified to carry drop tank
5.ss drop tank integration is on with Tejas
6.tejas with 4 bvrs and with a Centerline drop tank is a priority now...they are working relentlessly
7.the 4 bvrs are mixed up astra ....and derby for now
8.the ldp pod works as a limited irst for now
9.The radar of Tejas is so good that it can see su30 first,su 30 has a bigger radar,butbits rca is bigger too..for Tejas it's vice-versa
10.ada is integrating astra
11.asraam is not integrated yet,iaf has not aksed
12.2 lsps are being modified for mk1a
13.saaw integration is on with Tejas,Tejas will be ably to carry both ,dual rack ,quad rack lunchers of saaw

Update s from various sources

Now
Tejas mk2
1.tender for various subsystem s issued.
2.it will be in production soon...the first flight will be must before 2024

 

[cannonfodder]

Tejas program has picked up pace thanks to Swargiya Manohar Parrikar(Om Shanti), the rate of tetsing and integrations has improved significantly.

True.. Manoharji saved TEjas by promising 1A upgrade at the time. However, even he could not convince IAF to increase Mk1 orders given dwindling numbers. Even at the time Mk1 was capable AC. Path from Mk1 --> MK1a was always present. Manoharji was more of anomaly in defence ministry rather than norm with technocrat abilities.

Whatever short coming remains is due to disconnect between MOD, MIC and Air force.
Once all three of them sit down and see this through we can gallop ahead.

This has been the case right from the start. Same problem persisted since I joined DFI from 2014 and same was even before that, all parties never got along. At times going after each other like enemies with MoD watching the show. Present GOI has done lot of good but the bar is really set so low (by congiis) so that everything looks extra-ordinary. But there are lot of shortcomings.. one simple eg: when IAF signed off Mk1 spec, HAL lines were idle for an while after IOC standard planes were out. There was break in production last year if you remember as HAL was waiting for sign off.

16 tejas per year should be the target.
Pakis have a Induction rate of 18 per year which they can boost upto 22 as said by the program director himself.

Jf 17 block 3 will be more than a match for MK 1 and possibly MK 1a.
There is no use living in delusion, China will make sure Pakis receive the best of their equipment ro heckle us.

There are talks for integration of AESA on block 3 and Overall upgrade Of EW suite.

Block 2 and Block 3 will have IFR probe.

Current JF 17 Inventory

Block 1= 50
Block 2= 62
Block 2 double seater= 8
Blcok 3= ?

Overall 120+ aircraft.

Meanwhile no of Tejas built= 33.

This year, covid has set the production clock to halt already and give or take ~8AC this financial year. If we are lucky we may see 12-14 churned in next financial year 2021-22 no luck hitting 16 anytime soon.

This is the last AC delivered(FOC):
Production Line ... Construction Number ... Serial Number ... Aircraft First Flight ... Pilot(s)
• Line 1 ... SP-17 ... LA-5017 ... 17-Mar-2020 ... Air Commodore Kalianda Appaya Muthanna (Retd)

Before that(IOC)
• Line 2 ... SP-15 ... LA-5015 ... 23-Mar-2019 ... Group Captain Kolal Krishnamurthy Venugopal (Retd)
• Line 1 ... SP-16 ... LA-5016 ... 11-Mar-2019 ... Group Captain Kolal Krishnamurthy Venugopal (Retd)

 

[knathan]

Sir,
What are the 18 mods of a AESA radar ?
is a point defense fighter need all mods?
How many mods cleared in Uttam aesa?

 

[Flying Dagger]

Tejas is delayed also because of American sanctions they stopped supplying engines after 1998 nuclear tests

We have already made a deal to purchase engines required plus spare ones . The spare parts support will also be taken care of inhouse.

The situation has changed since 90s they are ready to offer us their teen series Romeo's work with us on Quad etc right now . They have already accepted us as a legit and responsible nuclear powered state. Now what else do you want ?

Tejas delay happened due to pure mismanagement and political negligence inhouse. There were and still are many comparable engines on offer through france and UK.

If we were really concerned abt engine availability we would have gone twin engine route way back.

 

[VIP]

Tejas is delayed also because of American sanctions they stopped supplying engines after 1998 nuclear tests

So, what's your point? You think USA would stop GE? More reason not to IMPORT best from other countries and develop our own.

 

[noobmaster69]

Ok some updates on Tejas
1.astra integration is on
2.ioc jets with derby are in testing phase
3.the foc Tejas is only able to carry 2 bvrs
4.the Centerline pylon is only qualified to carry drop tank
5.ss drop tank integration is on with Tejas
6.tejas with 4 bvrs and with a Centerline drop tank is a priority now...they are working relentlessly
7.the 4 bvrs are mixed up astra ....and derby for now
8.the ldp pod works as a limited irst for now
9.The radar of Tejas is so good that it can see su30 first,su 30 has a bigger radar,butbits rca is bigger too..for Tejas it's vice-versa
10.ada is integrating astra
11.asraam is not integrated yet,iaf has not aksed
12.2 lsps are being modified for mk1a
13.saaw integration is on with Tejas,Tejas will be ably to carry both ,dual rack ,quad rack lunchers of saaw

Update s from various sources

Now
Tejas mk2
1.tender for various subsystem s issued.
2.it will be in production soon...the first flight will be must before 2024

Tejas is able to detect Su-30MKI first? Really? Its really really impressive if that's true but is that a 100% true thing?

 

[patriots]

Tejas is able to detect Su-30MKI first? Really? Its really really impressive if that's true but is that a 100% true thing?

"The flying dagger pilot says .......Tejas sees su30 first"
Rest I leave on you......as I can't provide any official source for it

 

[Chinmoy]

For integration no two modular systems need source code of each other this is incorrect information if published anywhere...

Fighter planes has a central unit which is responsible for execution of all interfacing between any two system for data exchanges between them,
If India has its own mission control system or central unit even if both radar and missiles are from different sources with no source code known only thing required is which is provided with any purchase is interface software data in-out entities ...

of-course if one has source code one can do many improvements in the source code...
but not required for integration purposes.
In Su-30 MKI III India has own mission control system so India can integrate any missile provided seller agrees missile to be used in Russian system.

You are talking about Mission Computers. Jets don't have a central unit, but it does have a distributed architecture with different mission computers. Now a RADAR in itself would have multiple mission computers based on its function. Interestingly, since we are using ELBIT RADAR, the FCS is Israeli. So to integrate any weapon with that FCS, the source code for the same would have to be entered in FCS or should we say have to be provided to Israeli technician.

 

[noobmaster69]

"The flying dagger pilot says .......Tejas sees su30 first"
Rest I leave on you......as I can't provide any official source for it

That's great news! Maybe that will change the attitude of the IAF top brass towards the Tejas. Great stuff!

 

[ARVION]

That's great news! Maybe that will change the attitude of the IAF top brass towards the Tejas. Great stuff!

It's our Gnat's moment .

 

[patriots]

That's great news! Maybe that will change the attitude of the IAF top brass towards the Tejas. Great stuff!

Iaf is already impressed with Tejas ground delivery of weapons in gagan shakti..........
After feb27 our operational cost is higher....isf is scrambling su30.....mig29 maximum time to act against a areal threat..........
Tejas willl reduce the operational cost significantly........

 

[ARVION]

Iaf is already impressed with Tejas ground delivery of weapons in gagan shakti..........
After feb27 our operational cost is higher....isf is scrambling su30.....mig29 maximum time to act against a areal threat..........
Tejas willl reduce the operational cost significantly........

Better increase the production with the private sector if want to turn this programme into a full success .

 

[Abhay Rajput 02]

"The flying dagger pilot says .......Tejas sees su30 first"
Rest I leave on you......as I can't provide any official source for it

Is that so, because some of the IAF pilots I have talked to aren't impressed by Tejas. They regard m2k highly than Tejas . Also su30 will se Tejas first , no doubt about it . I am not gonna say because pilot told me but because su30 has guided missile to 100km at a target of less RCS than Tejas Aka banshee . So I don't know where you get that Tejas will see su30 first, maybe in certain situations like when it's flying low but that wouldn't be much useful in BVR