LCA TEJAS MK1 & MK1A: News and Discussion

[Suryavanshi]

Development of Tejas is like a new Rajnikanth movie, Half of it is slo-mo

I think this message is the cause of contention.

I don't think he meant the overall development time of aircraft, it seems more like he wanted to address the current production rate of the aircraft.

 

[piKacHHu]

So why did Americans developed aircraft so quickly in. 1970s - 1980s but slowed down after that?
Buddy because soviet union fall down funding and support to equipment decreased. That's the reason why Euro fighter was slowly developed and rafale was also developed with ezzz.

Btw do compare the level of funding which F-16 received with what tejas received.

Look, you are trying to prove as if I am not convinced with the success of Tejas program or critiquing it on its delays. Delays were bound to happen when a under developed country like India with no industrial base (particularly in aviation sector) had aspired to develop contemporary fighter with State-of-art technologies (FBW, composites etc.). I would say that the program is a success despite all of its delays because it lead to development of ecosystem of aviation manufacturer with HAL at its epicenter. Parallels of this could be taken from PSLV program; whether it's highest payload capacity for LEO; Answer is No but certainly it's the cheapest among its peers that why it is giving business to ISRO. Now, the private sector has started building components of PSLV.
However, IMO we need to be humble as when it comes to comparison; The US has moved to 5th generation and Europe has much more advanced 4/4.5 gen Eurofighter, Rafale, & Gripen. For us, It's time to move rapidly in the technological ladder to bride the gap rather than proclaiming early victory !

 

[piKacHHu]

If we remove USA from the list then everything will go fine.
Russia is building/adding 4.5 generation aircrafts in it's inventory which are based on 1977 design. These aircrafts have RCS of a truck.

Euro fighter is so advanced that it doesn't even have Asea radar.

Rafale grippin tejas are of same category in generation wise.

All of them have asea radar extensive use of composite materials and low profile to hide radar signatures.

Even after revolution of 5th generation aircrafts we are still buying foreign made 4th generation aircrafts why?

I still don't get the logic of how people don't believe that tejas is not a 4.5the generation aircraft.

"Assistant Chief of IAF, AVM J Chalapati, in the presence of Vice Chief and Deputy Chief of IAF, …

AVM Chalapati told the apex court that there is no standard definition of classifying the generation of fighter aircraft, but Sukhoi Su30MKI is a 4th generation fighter. As the Beyond Visual Range (BVR) missile in the HAL-built indigenous Tejas Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) is still under induction, it can be classified as 3.5+ generation."

IAF told SC in Rafale hearing: Russian Sukhoi Su-30MKI fighter jet under induction till 2021

Rafale deal: The answers of the senior officers of the Indian Air Force to the questions posed by the Supreme Court on Wednesday are seen as being critical to the case.

indianexpress.com

This is the opinion of IAF which is the sole user of Tejas; to be considered as the most qualified opinion one can get apart from the designers. Even though it's a bit harsh but you have to take it on face value. This comment must be referring to lack of capabilities of IOC standard Tejas which was under induction at those times (A-to -A refueling, absence of BVR capabilities are the reasons). I don't know whether the IAF would change its generation to 4.5 after receiving FOC Tejas. Only time will tell.
But one thing I am sure that ADA/HAL must be trying really hard to make MWF a 4.5 gen from the start so that its capabilities would remain relevant in the couple of decades from now on.


For 4.5 generation, all the Eurocanards claim limited super-cruise capabilities and better kinematic performance which was not envisaged for Tejas. Even though ELTA AESA is chosen for Mk1A, Gripens equipped with AESA/Meteor will be far superior to Tejas in BVR.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

Assistant Chief of IAF, AVM J Chalapati, in the presence of Vice Chief and Deputy Chief of IAF, …

AVM Chalapati told the apex court that there is no standard definition of classifying the generation of fighter aircraft, but Sukhoi Su30MKI is a 4th generation fighter. As the Beyond Visual Range (BVR) missile in the HAL-built indigenous Tejas Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) is still under induction, it can be classified as 3.5+ generation."

Yes because of this BS of import friendly officers in IAF. They wanted to kill tejas to import more single engine aircrafts.

Monhar parikar particularly snubbed them real hard remember how
This was the response to import friendly officers in IAF -
National Security Adviser Ajit Doval is understood to have raised the issue after the government asked the IAF to scrap its plans to acquire foreign made single engine fighters and go for the Indian made fighters only.


LCA Tejas is finally battle-ready, behaves like a `true fighter`, says IAF Chief BS Dhanoa

LCA Tejas is finally battle-ready, behaves like a 'true fighter', says IAF Chief BS Dhanoa

Tejas Mark 1 is the world's lightest fighter jet.

www.google.com

Now what with change of administration tejas become a battle worthy aircraft?

Why today IAF is going to buy 83 MK1A they are idiots to spend money on 3.5 generation aircraft?

 

[Kchontha]

Ab ye sab hote hote kitne saal nikal jayege

Live on till next decade to see the actual scenario. Be patient.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

If we remove USA from the list then everything will go fine.
Russia is building/adding 4.5 generation aircrafts in it's inventory which are based on 1977 design. These aircrafts have RCS of a truck.

Euro fighter is so advanced that it doesn't even have Asea radar.

Rafale grippin tejas are of same category in generation wise.

All of them have asea radar extensive use of composite materials and low profile to hide radar signatures.

Even after revolution of 5th generation aircrafts we are still buying foreign made 4th generation aircrafts why?

I still don't get the logic of how people don't believe that tejas is not a 4.5the generation aircraft.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

It's a major milestone today. Tejas has taken part in Gaganshakti 2018 and Vayushakti recently. And it performed extremely well with a high sortie generation rate and the required weapons capabilities. We have got the Tejas Mk 1. Now we need Tejas Mk 2," he said.



The FOC was given after Tejas successfully demonstrated its capabilities in firing the Derby Air-to-Air Beyond Visual Range missile, mid-air refuelling and air-to-ground bombing

 

[Assassin 2.0]

Gripens equipped with AESA/Meteor will be far superior to Tejas in BVR

So whole grippin program is better than tejas because of meteor missile?
India will equip tejas with astra bvrm which is very capable missile.
Asea radar of tejas is comparable to any aircraft in it's segment same with electronic warfare systems.

What if india tomorrow gets access to meteor alternatives from Israel or self developed or from EU itself? Then what it will become a 7th generation fighter?

Bvrm isn't platform centric bro.

 

[Kchontha]

For 4.5 generation, all the Eurocanards claim limited super-cruise capabilities and better kinematic performance which was not envisaged for Tejas. Even though ELTA AESA is chosen for Mk1A, Gripens equipped with AESA/Meteor will be far superior to Tejas in BVR.

Claiming n actual performance will be different. So far the only aircraft that can super-cruise is f22. Tejas mk1a can be equipped with best of the bvraam in the world which can outperform its adverseries. IAF is also having mateor. Are chinkis n porkis equipping themselves with gripens with meteor?

 

[piKacHHu]

Yes because of this BS of import friendly officers in IAF. They wanted to kill tejas to import more single engine aircrafts.

Monhar parikar particularly snubbed them real hard remember how
This was the response to import friendly officers in IAF -
National Security Adviser Ajit Doval is understood to have raised the issue after the government asked the IAF to scrap its plans to acquire foreign made single engine fighters and go for the Indian made fighters only.


LCA Tejas is finally battle-ready, behaves like a `true fighter`, says IAF Chief BS Dhanoa

LCA Tejas is finally battle-ready, behaves like a 'true fighter', says IAF Chief BS Dhanoa

Tejas Mark 1 is the world's lightest fighter jet.

www.google.com

Now what with change of administration tejas become a battle worthy aircraft?

That report is referring to testimony of IAF officials when SC was hearing petitions alleging corruption in Rafale deal and in fact, at that time IAF chief was still ACM BS Dhanoa. It is indeed true that the NDA govt particularly late Manohar Parrikar has given much impetus to Tejas program without which it wont have survived as it was reeling under pressure during UPA regime.

So whole grippin program is better than tejas because of meteor missile?
India will equip tejas with astra bvrm which is very capable missile.
Asea radar of tejas is comparable to any aircraft in it's segment same with electronic warfare systems.

What if india tomorrow gets access to meteor alternatives from Israel or self developed or from EU itself?

Bvrm isn't platform centric bro.

Gripen program is better as it hasn't started from ZERO like in the case of LCA program. The Swedish had good experience of designing & operating Delta - Canard combo in the SAAB Viggen. In terms of cockpit data fusion & AESA, it is claimed that it is significantly superior to any 4th Gen fighter. IRST integration has also been done and is sported by current version of Gripen E. Last but not the least, it sports assortment of best BVRs & CCMs missiles like AMRAAMs/Meteor/Aim 9x & ASRAAM coupled with AESA. Now compare it with FOC Tejas.
But I hope development of Tejas & derivatives will leapfrog within this decade with LCA acting a cornerstone for development of more advanced indigenous fighters.

PS: My reply shouldn't be construed with lobbying for import of Gripen E rather I am highlighting learning points with this program and emulate its success in Tejas.

 

[Kchontha]

How vocal for local changing India's fighter jet plans.....
As PM Modi Pushes "Vocal for Local", How India Is Changing Fighter Jet Plans - NDTV https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/as-...ighter-jet-plans-2228905?amp=1&akamai-rum=off

 

[itsme]

What a bad decision to scrap MMRCA. Even if Tejas MK1 is a decent fighter it can no way replace the need for MMRCA. Inducting MWF instead of MMRCA makes a lot more sense. A fighter designed to take on the role of Mig21 cannot be considered for MMRCA role. Hopefully this is fake.

 

[IndianHawk]

That report is referring to testimony of IAF officials when SC was hearing petitions alleging corruption in Rafale deal and in fact, at that time IAF chief was still ACM BS Dhanoa. It is indeed true that the NDA govt particularly late Manohar Parrikar has given much impetus to Tejas program without which it wont have survived as it was reeling under pressure during UPA regime.




Gripen program is better as it hasn't started from ZERO like in the case of LCA program. The Swedish had good experience of designing & operating Delta - Canard combo in the SAAB Viggen. In terms of cockpit data fusion & AESA, it is claimed that it is significantly superior to any 4th Gen fighter. IRST integration has also been done and is sported by current version of Gripen E. Last but not the least, it sports assortment of best BVRs & CCMs missiles like AMRAAMs/Meteor/Aim 9x & ASRAAM coupled with AESA. Now compare it with FOC Tejas.
But I hope development of Tejas & derivatives will leapfrog within this decade with LCA acting a cornerstone for development of more advanced indigenous fighters.

PS: My reply shouldn't be construed with lobbying for import of Gripen E rather I am highlighting learning points with this program and emulate its success in Tejas.

Gripen E is still in development. Undergoing tests simultaneously with production. Lca mk1a will be superior to all gripen c/d none of which has aesa.

Mwf will come within 4-5 years of gripen E development cycle. By that time we would have leapfrogged swedish fighter jet development. Mwf will be way more Indian than gripen was ever swedish.

When amca will take first flight we will be a generation ahead of Sweden .

 

[Kchontha]

The 83mk1A is to be followed by the MWF which are medium weight fighters. The test flight for the more capable aircraft is likely in 2022. There are lot of factors that go against mmrca2 of 114 aircrafts such as dearth for funds due to current pendemic, option of ordering a few additional Rafales, development of MWF and TEDBF/ORCA etc. Only one major issue that remains to be sorted out is the indeginoues turbofan engine development program which seems doable with the recent development in term of new technology and metallurgy as evidenced by the headward movement of the dry verson of the kaveri. If these fructify than India will be near self reliable in the field of fighter aircraft.

 

[fire starter]

FOC tejas update.

 

[prasadr14]

Did Tejas get FOC?

Anyone has news on this?

 

[Bleh]

As the Beyond Visual Range (BVR) missile in the HAL-built indigenous Tejas Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) is still under induction, it can be classified as 3.5+ generation."...

...Even though ELTA AESA is chosen for Mk1A, Gripens equipped with AESA/Meteor will be far superior to Tejas in BVR.

See this @IndianHawk @porky_kicker
Either this guy is just another troll or has no clue what he's talking about, just knows some technical words... Better direct him to read old posts.

Did Tejas get FOC?

Anyone has news on this?

Goodness bro, yes!.. Not only have we strated we rolling out FOC version, its all we talked about for like a whole year after Aero India.

 

[piKacHHu]

See this @IndianHawk @porky_kicker
Either this guy is just another troll or has no clue what he's talking about, just knows some technical words... Better direct him to read old posts.

Goodness bro, yes!.. Not only have we strated we rolling out FOC version, its all we talked about for like a whole year after Aero India.

Talking as if you are the designer or Director of ADA who can have last word on anything related to Tejas;
Mr. Knowitall, you've got upset out of proportion when I read out the IAF recent testimony in SC which is a fact. Calling names don't help in a technical discussion; it rather shows your lack of knowledge/skills to counter the opposing argument.

 

[Karthi]

Tejas MK1A is superior to JF 17 Blk 1,2&3 , we can Use Mk1 against Pakistani old generation Mirage and JF 17 . MWF will be similarly capable (90Percentage atleast) as Gripen NG . We can use MWF to counter PAF F16 and Chinese J10 . So Tejas makes sense . And Tejas is the only reason we now developing MWF, TEDBF , and AMCA . Tejas is the base for all these , Shortcomings are part of any development . Is there any country which developed a 4th gen fighter from scratch We done it we need to build upon it .

 

[vishnugupt]

Fighter jets generation are a subjective matter, I mean what are you looking for, it can be classified in many ways
1) which Era"s design: During WW1, WW2, Before 80"s and after 80"s
2) Including Major technology( Basic ): subsonic, Supersonic at all altitude, Radar, BVR missiles, EWS, Stealth
3) Comparative: when overall performance is lesser than respective aircraft, like Gripen-E vs Tejas Mk1 ( IOC) then in layman term you can say Gripen is 4th generation and Tejas is 3.5 ( This what IAF said in Supreme court)

Technically generations belong to Basic specifications ( point no. 2) so Tejas is 4th generation but when you are pitting one aircraft against another then one has to consider "Capability" that's why we often hear 4++ generation, 4.5 generation. These are more marketing terms than Basics