LCA TEJAS MK1 & MK1A: News and Discussion

[Flying Dagger]

Report clearly mentions dual pulse missile with software defined radar seeker. And this is Janes reporting they know their missiles.

What is the reference they have? The 2018 July test ...

https://thediplomat.com/2018/05/indias-light-combat-aircraft-fires-beyond-visual-range-missile/

All the media houses reported I Derby as informed by IAF.

The link you have shared has been posted in the forum before.Jane is a good source of info but not absolute.

 

[Karthi]

http://idrw.org/tejex-will-be-cheaper-export-model-coming-in-2023/

Export variant of Tejas TejEx will be ready by 2023 .

 

[Flying Dagger]

I had to go through this once.

We wuz having chit chat in our room with a bunch of friends, than a topic of politics came up. One AAPityan friend of mine raised the issue of rafale.
I knew kundli of Rafale thanks to DFI so I utterly shamed him infront of the group by presenting factual data. All this while he was Souring leftist dalas and Dhurv Tatte.

We haven't talked much since then. :bounce:

Man Have you seem their stupid videos on Rafale that akash banshee . They are literal Dumbos and were acting as if they are super smart and the response to their videos was apalling people are such a fool who even consider them as Mr know it all.

 

[Flying Dagger]

http://idrw.org/tejex-will-be-cheaper-export-model-coming-in-2023/

Export variant of Tejas TejEx will be ready by 2023 .

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[angeldude13]

I had to go through this once.

We wuz having chit chat in our room with a bunch of friends, than a topic of politics came up. One AAPityan friend of mine raised the issue of rafale.
I knew kundli of Rafale thanks to DFI so I utterly shamed him infront of the group by presenting factual data. All this while he was Souring leftist dalas and Dhurv Tatte.

We haven't talked much since then. :bounce:

Same thing happened to me. In my case Aapiya started saying that he is not able to access my source. Then I emailed him everything and he said he didn't got the email. I posted the screenshot of email on the group chat and shamed him.

 

[Chain smoker]

Turns out i was a wee bit mistaken about the FOC Tejas canopy.

This is the regular, on SP-10, Lima 2019.
View attachment 45021This is the modified one on SP-9.View attachment 45022
Canopy of FC matches that but is altogether different one. It is more of a bubble cockpit.
Look at the shape base of the glass. I am sure it look bit different from front too.
View attachment 45023See LSP-9 Closeup. View attachment 45029

Making bubble less canopy is not a easy job it's good to see HAL advancing slowly towards it we might see more modified version in mk1a.

 

[IndianHawk]

What is the reference they have? The 2018 July test ...

https://thediplomat.com/2018/05/indias-light-combat-aircraft-fires-beyond-visual-range-missile/

All the media houses reported I Derby as informed by IAF.

The link you have shared has been posted in the forum before.Jane is a good source of info but not absolute.

I rarely find info on I derby . Either the info is on derby (older ) or i derby ER .

I derby without ER is not found even on wiki. So there is this confusion.

Secondly Janes and other sources too mention that they wanted to integrate it to su30mki after the performance of said test. If it was not ER why would they consider it's performance for su30 . Surely su30 doesn't need derby/I derby but only derby ER is better than r77/Astra mk1 .

 

[HariPrasad-1]

I rarely find info on I derby . Either the info is on derby (older ) or i derby ER .

I derby without ER is not found even on wiki. So there is this confusion.

Secondly Janes and other sources too mention that they wanted to integrate it to su30mki after the performance of said test. If it was not ER why would they consider it's performance for su30 . Surely su30 doesn't need derby/I derby but only derby ER is better than r77/Astra mk1 .

We should wait for sometime to get our missiles ready by the same time as Astra Mk2 and SFDR may also be available for operational services we can integrate both of these missile on MKI and get rid of any foreign BVR which has many technical and non technical difficulties in integrity it with MKIs. Best way is to to integrate Astra mk1 mk2 and sfdr. Mk1 is done. we can choose a s r a m for close combat . Even Russian missiles like r73 or r37 not required.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Since now LCA project has really gathered the momentum with many changes in the mk1 including aerodynamics , communication system, electronics and weapons LCA Tejus mk1 is emerging as a Top class fighter probably beating anything in class. In mk1 a payload will increase , smoothing of wing with the body will improve to give it a lower RCS,. it will come with new weapon package. it will have state of art Uttam Aesa radar which in its has testing phase performed better than ELTA 2052. Ultra long range missile like sfdr will get get integrated. Eit will be an xtremely potent small fighter wihich will have many goodies of big planes such as Ultra long range engagement and top class electronic Warfare system. It will have a very good chance of accommodating more fuel in body. There a lots of space is left Behind The Pilot seat which will not be required in case of on board oxygen generation system is installed so so that space can be utilised for putting additional few hundred kg of fuel which will give Tejas an additional range of somewhere between 250 to 400 . kilometres. Improved aerodynamics will add to the range of Tejas as well. Now it remains to be seen weather HAL does work on wings or not because if same Wings are going to be used in MWF, certainly the Wing plane is more which can cause additional drug. so hopefully this wing section will also be redesigned to give Tejas a better performance. some people says that Intakes are also not designed properly so if it is the case hopefully some work will go into to re designing of Intake as well . since now we have design the intakes of AMCA and mwf, we can learn something from it and better the intake of Tejas. all in all all highly potent small fighter is emerging which is not be the cupof tea for everybody to design and make. Because of canopy design and other Aerodynamic changes transfer acceleration is all set to improve by 20% and top speed will improve by 2%. These are the results of Aerodynamic studies which are going to be implemented in mk1 a.

 

[IndianHawk]

We should wait for sometime to get our missiles ready by the same time as Astra Mk2 and SFDR may also be available for operational services we can integrate both of these missile on MKI and get rid of any foreign BVR which has many technical and non technical difficulties in integrity it with MKIs. Best way is to to integrate Astra mk1 mk2 and sfdr. Mk1 is done. we can choose a s r a m for close combat . Even Russian missiles like r73 or r37 not required.

Astra mk2 will take 2-3 years to come while sfdr will take 7-8 years. That is why derby ER is required now. Derby ER is direct fit to lca mk1a because of elta 2052. So it will be in IAF inventory anyway.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Astra mk2 will take 2-3 years to come while sfdr will take 7-8 years. That is why derby ER is required now. Derby ER is direct fit to lca mk1a because of elta 2052. So it will be in IAF inventory anyway.

But our lady procurement procedures will take at least 2 to 3 years to buy an integrated why not go for a crime Ketu and MC ever instead of Derby or I Derby this email is always better than important one we will have the codes so we can improve it as well I am always in favour of inducting desi e staff if it needs at least 80% of the performers of imported one in case of extra M1 and M2 I believe that they are at par with the best available anywhere so so in my opinion we should go for Asus M1 and M2 rather than any other imported missile except Meteor, which gives a different capability.

 

[IndianHawk]

But our lady procurement procedures will take at least 2 to 3 years to buy an integrated why not go for a crime Ketu and MC ever instead of Derby or I Derby this email is always better than important one we will have the codes so we can improve it as well I am always in favour of inducting desi e staff if it needs at least 80% of the performers of imported one in case of extra M1 and M2 I believe that they are at par with the best available anywhere so so in my opinion we should go for Asus M1 and M2 rather than any other imported missile except Meteor, which gives a different capability.

Because 2-3 years will be required to test Astra mk2 and then 2 years may be gone in integration testing. So almost 4-5 years before Astra mk2 will be operational on su30. Derby ER can directly go for integration now and be operational with su30 within 2 years.

The larger point is that derby will be in the arsenal for mk1a . If it's integrated to su30 then su30 can also use it when needed in combination with Astra.
So that increases flexibility.

 

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[akk]

I have a question. Wonder if somebody has a considered thought or informed decision.
Assumption 1. The current covid crisis will cripple defense budget. Given that budget is in rupees, all indigenous acquisitions such as tejas might get delayed, which are predominantly paid in rupees.
Assumption 2. Foreign reserves depend upon import/export balance, remittances, fdi and fii. All these will be impacted, but since oil prices and demand both are significantly low, India will saved massively in the short term and it seems plausible that the ft oreign reserves may paradoxically rise in the short term.

Question is..... Since rafale purchase is made in foreign currency, is it not more likely that we may purchase more rafales than tejas, since tejas affects budget in rupees, whereas rafales doesn't, and specially we may get a boost of foreign reserves?

 

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[Defcon 1]

I have a question. Wonder if somebody has a considered thought or informed decision.
Assumption 1. The current covid crisis will cripple defense budget. Given that budget is in rupees, all indigenous acquisitions such as tejas might get delayed, which are predominantly paid in rupees.
Assumption 2. Foreign reserves depend upon import/export balance, remittances, fdi and fii. All these will be impacted, but since oil prices and demand both are significantly low, India will saved massively in the short term and it seems plausible that the ft oreign reserves may paradoxically rise in the short term.

Question is..... Since rafale purchase is made in foreign currency, is it not more likely that we may purchase more rafales than tejas, since tejas affects budget in rupees, whereas rafales doesn't, and specially we may get a boost of foreign reserves?

Dude, look at the movement of price of dollar and our forex reserves during the past two months and you will understand how unfounded your fears are.

 

[akk]

Dude, look at the movement of price of dollar and our forex reserves during the past two months and you will understand how unfounded your fears are.

Actually I did check. There was a fall in one particular week when rbi was trying to support rupee, but again started to rise. The impact of low petrol import bill has not yet shown on the reserve levels. Anyway, I am thinking in relative terms, the impact on budget in rupees might be more than the impact on foreign reserves. My question is..... Any purchase in foreign currency.... Does it impact budget in rupees?

 

[Defcon 1]

Actually I did check. There was a fall in one particular week when rbi was trying to support rupee, but again started to rise. The impact of low petrol import bill has not yet shown on the reserve levels. Anyway, I am thinking in relative terms, the impact on budget in rupees might be more than the impact on foreign reserves. My question is..... Any purchase in foreign currency.... Does it impact budget in rupees?

Yes it does impact the budget, it is still an expenditure borne out by the government, regardless of the currency it is paid in. The point I am trying to make is this is a time of crisis. India is categorized as an emerging market. In times of crisis, capital outflows take place from emerging markets to developed economies for safety. That is why you have seen dollar rising and sensex falling in past two months. So it would make the Rafale purchase actually more expensive. Also, you cannot simply predict that just because oil prices have fallen, forex reserves will increase. Because of covid, many other issues will also take place such as drop in exports, remittance and FPI investments which could decrease the forex reserves too.

Anyways, this is economic discussion and offtopic.