LCA TEJAS MK1 & MK1A: News and Discussion

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Ive seen that. They wrote incorrectly (Surprise Surprise) or is a typo.

You have to defy laws of Physics to increase external payload from 3.5 to 5.3 ton without any change in engine or wings.
ADA always qouted only practical mission payload. Indranil article later confirmed practical payload of 3900kg. This is max rated just like saab gripen c/d . It is technically correct but practically useless. Just like for gripen c/d . But it helps in fighting broucher wars.
 

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Nope internal fuel + previous declared payload will be 2400+ 3900 ton == 6300ton.

So 5300 ton is only max internal payload. It was not publishes earlier because it's not practical for any mission. Lca can carry it but will become a slow turkey.

But idiots like saab publishe gripen c/d payload at 5ton+ and now lca is competing for export hence matching the broucher figure. Truth is that both lca and gripen c/d won't carry more than 4 ton in any practical mission. But saab still uses marketing tactics so here is the reply.
Saab really a fucking when comes to marketing the product, their promo video shows that gripen killing SU35 in bvr &wvr with ease
 

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Payload Increased To 5300 Kg

IOC has 500 Km Combat radius It can Increased further
Combat radius is classified . Again 350 km figure is most conservative. On a cap mission it will be much much higher.

IAF pilots are on record saying endurance of lca matches and exceeds that of jaguar. Make of it what you will.
 

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Nope internal fuel + previous declared payload will be 2400+ 3900 ton == 6300ton.

So 5300 ton is only max external payload. It was not publishes earlier because it's not practical for any mission. Lca can carry it but will become a slow turkey.

But idiots like saab publishe gripen c/d payload at 5ton+ and now lca is competing for export hence matching the broucher figure.
Oh yeah, I said wrong... The max load Tejas hardpoints can take with which it can still get airborne, at the cost of reduced internal fuel. @WARREN SS
Truth is that both lca and gripen c/d won't carry more than 4 ton in any practical mission. But saab still uses marketing tactics so here is the reply.
I donot know, maybe very short ranged CAS bomb-runs?
 

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Intriguing Combo of 4 Air-to-Air missiles will make Tejas Mk1A a deadly Dogfighter

It’s more or less now confirmed that India’s upgraded Tejas Mk1A fighter jet will be getting two new Air-to-Air missiles after one of the Israeli supplied Python-5 failed to get firing clearance due to unresolved inflight vibrations issues in its captive flight trials. Tejas Mk1A will also be getting locally developed Astra Beyond Visual Range Air-to-Air missile along with MBDA developed ASRAAM within visual range (WVR) missiles. Israeli supplied Derby BVRAAM missile has been successfully integrated and tested with the current lot of 40 Tejas Mk1 fighter jets but that won’t be enough since Derby BVRAAM missiles came from the unused stock of Indian Navy’s Sea Harrier jets which now have been retired from its fleet. Israel has offered India its latest I-Derby ER BVRAAM with a range of 100km and has claimed that both ELA-2052 AESA Fire Control Radar (FCR) to be used on Tejas Mk1A and Indo-Israeli ELA-2032/MMR FCR are fully compatible with the new missile and has promised 80% of the operational performance of the Meteor air-to-air missiles at the fraction of the cost. I-Derby ER BVRAAM which will be ordered for Su-30MKI and Tejas Mk1A will be interim front line BVRAAM till Astra Mk1 production is on high gear and will continue to act as a supplement to each other till India has enough Astra in its arsenal. Issues with Python-5 integration with the LCA-Tejas Mk1 means that it is more or less has been dropped and instead, IAF has decided to make MBDA developed ASRAAM as a Standard within visual range (WVR) missiles for its entire fleet of fighter jets including Su-30MKI and Tejas Mk1A which interestingly will be supplemented by Russian R-73 WVR Missiles which already have been integrated with the Tejas Mk1 and will continue to be supplementary WVR AAM in the Tejas Mk1A also. Four Unique Air-to-Air Missiles from four different makers not only makes Tejas Mk1A a unique fighter jet that has such diverse air to air missiles in its arsenal but it also makes it a quite deadlier for an adversary to engage and defect the missiles once it has been fired at it. It’s a pilot nightmare to engage and actively deploy countermeasures specific to the missile system and it’s even more difficult when the combo of AAMs are fired towards him. i-Derby and R-73 integration have proved that two AAMs or different origins can work perfectly with one common Fire control Radar system and integration of indigenous Astra BVRAAMs will so not be a huge task and MBDA developed ASRAAM already has been integrated successfully with the same ELA-2052 AESA Fire Contol Radar (FCR) on the Darin-III upgraded Jaguar Strike aircraft in the IAF fleet.
 

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Janes says derby ER dual pulse is already tested with lca!!
https://www.janes.com/article/88867/iaf-plans-to-arm-its-su-30mki-fleet-with-i-derby-er-bvraams

The latest developments come after the fire-and-forget I-Derby ER missile, which features a software-defined radar seeker and a dual-pulse solid rocket motor, was selected to be the primary AAM to arm the IAF's indigenously designed Tejas Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) following successful test-firings in July 2018.
 

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Janes says derby ER dual pulse is already tested with lca!!
https://www.janes.com/article/88867/iaf-plans-to-arm-its-su-30mki-fleet-with-i-derby-er-bvraams

The latest developments come after the fire-and-forget I-Derby ER missile, which features a software-defined radar seeker and a dual-pulse solid rocket motor, was selected to be the primary AAM to arm the IAF's indigenously designed Tejas Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) following successful test-firings in July 2018.
It was I - Derby which was tested in July 2018.

IAF didn't proceed with Derby ER in hope of meteor but after the refusals by MBDA that would be the best option.

Mk1a is confirmed to be integrated with it and ASRAAM Astra mk1 and Rd 73
 

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It was I - Derby which was tested in July 2018.

IAF didn't proceed with Derby ER in hope of meteor but after the refusals by MBDA that would be the best option.

Mk1a is confirmed to be integrated with it and ASRAAM Astra mk1 and Rd 73
Report clearly mentions dual pulse missile with software defined radar seeker. And this is Janes reporting they know their missiles.
 

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Costs More Than a Su-57? India’s Tejas Fighter Turns Out to be Very Expensive

March-20th-2020



Tejas Single Engine Light Fighter

The Indian Air Force is set to finalise a deal to purchase 83 Tejas Mk1A lightweight single engine fighters, which will mark the second major order for the aircraft following a prior order for 40 jets. The Tejas began development in the early 1980s, and following massive delays and almost 40 years of work the aircraft was accorded final operational clearance (FOC) by India’s aviation certifying authority in February 2019. The fighter is from a comparable weight range to the Swedish Gripen and Pakistani JF-17 fighter, and is considerably lighter than higher end single engine designs such as the American F-16 Fighting Falcon and Chinese J-10 Firebird. While touted as an indigenous program, many of the Tejas’ core systems are purchased off the shelf from foreign suppliers including an American F404 engine - the same as that designed to power the F-20 Tigershark light fighter in the 1970s, an Israeli sensor suite and electronics, and Russian air to air missiles.



Su-30MKI Heavyweight Fighter and Tejas Light Fighter

Development of a lightweight and low cost indigenous fighter has been pursued by a range of countries from Sweden to Taiwan from a number of reasons - allowing them not only to tailor the jet to the needs of their armed forces, develop high end technologies domestically and pursues their own design philosophies, but also because manufacturing jets domestically is usually a great deal cheaper than importing them at market prices. Considering the highly ambitious plans India has to expand its fighter fleet, which will require the induction of over a dozen new squadrons in the near future, a low cost lightweight indigenous jet would provide an effective means of doing so while remaining within the limits of the country’s defence budget. The only issue with this is that India’s Tejas, largely due to its reliance on very costly foreign technologies, is very far from a low cost fighter - with the recent order costing the Defence Ministry $62.7 million per airframe.



Tejas Single Engine Light Fighter

Purchasing the F404 and Israeli sensors and electronics at export prices, which are the most costly parts of the jet, the Tejas cannot be manufactured as a cheap indigenous platform as Pakistan’s JF-17, Taiwan's Ching Kuo and Brave Eagle, China’s J-10 and JL-15 or America’s F-16 are. Using the American F-35A as an example of the discrepancy in the prices of domestically produced and exported fighters, the jet is being purchased by the Air Force for around $80 million each but is being marketed for export for around $200 million each. Similarly, while Russia’s Su-57 is currently the most costly non-Western fighter being marketed for export, with an estimated export price of around $110 million, it is being purchased by the Russian Air Force for just $35 million each. Compared to the prices Russia and the U.S. respectively are purchasing the Su-57 and F-35A, both state of the art fifth generation designs which are considerably heavier and more sophisticated than the Tejas, the Indian fighter appears to present the country with much less value for money than previously thought.
 

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Costs More Than a Su-57? India’s Tejas Fighter Turns Out to be Very Expensive

March-20th-2020



Tejas Single Engine Light Fighter

The Indian Air Force is set to finalise a deal to purchase 83 Tejas Mk1A lightweight single engine fighters, which will mark the second major order for the aircraft following a prior order for 40 jets. The Tejas began development in the early 1980s, and following massive delays and almost 40 years of work the aircraft was accorded final operational clearance (FOC) by India’s aviation certifying authority in February 2019. The fighter is from a comparable weight range to the Swedish Gripen and Pakistani JF-17 fighter, and is considerably lighter than higher end single engine designs such as the American F-16 Fighting Falcon and Chinese J-10 Firebird. While touted as an indigenous program, many of the Tejas’ core systems are purchased off the shelf from foreign suppliers including an American F404 engine - the same as that designed to power the F-20 Tigershark light fighter in the 1970s, an Israeli sensor suite and electronics, and Russian air to air missiles.



Su-30MKI Heavyweight Fighter and Tejas Light Fighter

Development of a lightweight and low cost indigenous fighter has been pursued by a range of countries from Sweden to Taiwan from a number of reasons - allowing them not only to tailor the jet to the needs of their armed forces, develop high end technologies domestically and pursues their own design philosophies, but also because manufacturing jets domestically is usually a great deal cheaper than importing them at market prices. Considering the highly ambitious plans India has to expand its fighter fleet, which will require the induction of over a dozen new squadrons in the near future, a low cost lightweight indigenous jet would provide an effective means of doing so while remaining within the limits of the country’s defence budget. The only issue with this is that India’s Tejas, largely due to its reliance on very costly foreign technologies, is very far from a low cost fighter - with the recent order costing the Defence Ministry $62.7 million per airframe.



Tejas Single Engine Light Fighter

Purchasing the F404 and Israeli sensors and electronics at export prices, which are the most costly parts of the jet, the Tejas cannot be manufactured as a cheap indigenous platform as Pakistan’s JF-17, Taiwan's Ching Kuo and Brave Eagle, China’s J-10 and JL-15 or America’s F-16 are. Using the American F-35A as an example of the discrepancy in the prices of domestically produced and exported fighters, the jet is being purchased by the Air Force for around $80 million each but is being marketed for export for around $200 million each. Similarly, while Russia’s Su-57 is currently the most costly non-Western fighter being marketed for export, with an estimated export price of around $110 million, it is being purchased by the Russian Air Force for just $35 million each. Compared to the prices Russia and the U.S. respectively are purchasing the Su-57 and F-35A, both state of the art fifth generation designs which are considerably heavier and more sophisticated than the Tejas, the Indian fighter appears to present the country with much less value for money than previously thought.
kindly name the news agency please........
Hjaiajanansbsjakakwk
928273yeuw8wowwoow
 

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kindly name the news agency please........
Hjaiajanansbsjakakwk
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Hit job by dalals !! Damn these traitors.
Even if we assume it is true, I will say its worth it because we are developing an INDUSTRY
which will help us setup indigenous capability of aircraft manufacturing.
Hell the Software developed for control laws itself is worth that price I would say !
No other nation will give you this. Fking dalals ! Hate them to the core.
 

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Costs More Than a Su-57? India’s Tejas Fighter Turns Out to be Very Expensive

March-20th-2020



Tejas Single Engine Light Fighter

The Indian Air Force is set to finalise a deal to purchase 83 Tejas Mk1A lightweight single engine fighters, which will mark the second major order for the aircraft following a prior order for 40 jets. The Tejas began development in the early 1980s, and following massive delays and almost 40 years of work the aircraft was accorded final operational clearance (FOC) by India’s aviation certifying authority in February 2019. The fighter is from a comparable weight range to the Swedish Gripen and Pakistani JF-17 fighter, and is considerably lighter than higher end single engine designs such as the American F-16 Fighting Falcon and Chinese J-10 Firebird. While touted as an indigenous program, many of the Tejas’ core systems are purchased off the shelf from foreign suppliers including an American F404 engine - the same as that designed to power the F-20 Tigershark light fighter in the 1970s, an Israeli sensor suite and electronics, and Russian air to air missiles.



Su-30MKI Heavyweight Fighter and Tejas Light Fighter

Development of a lightweight and low cost indigenous fighter has been pursued by a range of countries from Sweden to Taiwan from a number of reasons - allowing them not only to tailor the jet to the needs of their armed forces, develop high end technologies domestically and pursues their own design philosophies, but also because manufacturing jets domestically is usually a great deal cheaper than importing them at market prices. Considering the highly ambitious plans India has to expand its fighter fleet, which will require the induction of over a dozen new squadrons in the near future, a low cost lightweight indigenous jet would provide an effective means of doing so while remaining within the limits of the country’s defence budget. The only issue with this is that India’s Tejas, largely due to its reliance on very costly foreign technologies, is very far from a low cost fighter - with the recent order costing the Defence Ministry $62.7 million per airframe.



Tejas Single Engine Light Fighter

Purchasing the F404 and Israeli sensors and electronics at export prices, which are the most costly parts of the jet, the Tejas cannot be manufactured as a cheap indigenous platform as Pakistan’s JF-17, Taiwan's Ching Kuo and Brave Eagle, China’s J-10 and JL-15 or America’s F-16 are. Using the American F-35A as an example of the discrepancy in the prices of domestically produced and exported fighters, the jet is being purchased by the Air Force for around $80 million each but is being marketed for export for around $200 million each. Similarly, while Russia’s Su-57 is currently the most costly non-Western fighter being marketed for export, with an estimated export price of around $110 million, it is being purchased by the Russian Air Force for just $35 million each. Compared to the prices Russia and the U.S. respectively are purchasing the Su-57 and F-35A, both state of the art fifth generation designs which are considerably heavier and more sophisticated than the Tejas, the Indian fighter appears to present the country with much less value for money than previously thought.
sounds like national interest. some one tell these duffers that 62$ million is the total cost including spares and maintaince.
 

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sounds like national interest. some one tell these duffers that 62$ million is the total cost including spares and maintaince.
I had to go through this once.

We wuz having chit chat in our room with a bunch of friends, than a topic of politics came up. One AAPityan friend of mine raised the issue of rafale.
I knew kundli of Rafale thanks to DFI so I utterly shamed him infront of the group by presenting factual data. All this while he was Souring leftist dalas and Dhurv Tatte.

We haven't talked much since then. :bounce:
 

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kindly name the news agency please........
Hjaiajanansbsjakakwk
928273yeuw8wowwoow
I don’t support there Views
But just found Article Interesting so just posted it here. The Name of the Website is Military Watch Magazine
 

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I had to go through this once.

We wuz having chit chat in our room with a bunch of friends, than a topic of politics came up. One AAPityan friend of mine raised the issue of rafale.
I knew kundli of Rafale thanks to DFI so I utterly shamed him infront of the group by presenting factual data. All this while he was Souring leftist dalas and Dhurv Tatte.

We haven't talked much since then. :bounce:
Better to Have good friends who accept there mistakes and make up than shitty friends who betray you and bring you down.
 

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Turns out i was a wee bit mistaken about the FOC Tejas canopy.

This is the regular, on SP-10, Lima 2019.
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This is the modified one on SP-9.
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Canopy of FC matches that but is altogether different one. It is more of a bubble cockpit.
Look at the shape base of the glass. I am sure it look bit different from front too.
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See LSP-9 Closeup.
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