LCA TEJAS MK1 & MK1A: News and Discussion

[Hydra3]

J 10 is a shit. Those who compares J 10 with Tejas must know how many of them have fallen from sky till date. I do not know the latest figure but atleast 9 had fallen in 2 years. J 10 uses powerful Al 31 engine yet it takes longer time to be airborn. It uses AESA but that is way inferior than Uttam in its initial stage. J 10 had a very poor aerodynamics which were improved in J 10 C.

On the other hand , Tejas is a state of art Aircraft and all set to improve in its MK1+ avatar. It has many state of art technologies with best electronics (Either it has or about to come) and best weapons. Tejas can see J10 first and shoot it first. In close combat too, Tejas will beat J 10. I do not see any advantage of J 10 over Tejas except TVC and a bit of higher payload due to very powerful engine and aircraft of medium category.

How many uttam is in active duty?

 

[Karthi]

J10C = Tejas MK 1A - Payload and range . MWF = Gripen NG. J10 is a great fighter we should not be like those pork idiots , J10 can beat Tejas, They operates a huge fleet J10 and all of them upgraded with AESA Radars Powerful EW suites Certainly a threat , we should prepare for them .

 

[Hydra3]

J10C = Tejas MK 1A - Payload and range . MWF = Gripen NG. J10 is a great fighter we should not be like those pork idiots , J10 can beat Tejas, They operates a huge fleet J10 and all of them upgraded with AESA Radars Powerful EW suites Certainly a threat , we should prepare for them .

No, we will thrash any paf, PLAF aircrafts in IDF. Real time battle scenario may be different, but certainly we will kill each and every aircraft with tejas. I am so confident that we can destroy entire fleet f22 with tejas in this forum

 

[Karthi]

Are you trying to be very funny

 

[Karthi]

No, we will thrash any paf, PLAF aircrafts in IDF. Real time battle scenario may be different, but certainly we will kill each and every aircraft with tejas. I am so confident that we can destroy entire fleet f22 with tejas in this forum

Yes Tejas can take on Entire F22 Fleet if it use a Nuclear Warhead AAM

 

[Hydra3]

Are you trying to be very funny

That was most of IDF memebers thinks

 

[Narasimh]

That was most of IDF memebers thinks

Buddy, if tactics are right any fighter can beat any other fighter. even F22s. They are not invincible. Its not a one on one boxing match out there after all

 

[Hydra3]

Buddy, if tactics are right any fighter can beat any other fighter. even F22s. They are not invincible. Its not a one on one boxing match out there after all

Thats what i am telling, we can beat any fighter with Tejas ( provided fight should be in this forum)

 

[HariPrasad-1]

How many uttam is in active duty?

uttam is in testing and its testing phase, it has performed better than ELTA 2052.

 

[WolfPack86]

Defence ministry clears Rs 38,000 cr deal for 83 advanced Tejas jets
The defence ministry on Wednesday gave a green light to the purchase of 83 Light Combat Aircraft Mk-1A advanced Tejas jets from Hindustan Aeronautics Limited and the proposal would be sent to the Cabinet Committee on Security for final approval soon, a ministry spokesperson said.

The deal, expected to be worth Rs 38,000 crore, is critical for HAL to prevent a complete halt of production at its facilities. HT reported on January 11 that HAL’s order books are empty beyond 2021-22 and new orders from the armed forces --- especially for the 83 jets --- are critical for continuity in production.

“While orders of 40 Tejas aircraft had been placed with HAL in initial configurations, the Defence Acquisition Council paved the way for procurement of 83 of the more advanced Mk-1A version of the aircraft from HAL by finalising the contractual and other issues,” the spokesperson said after a DAC meeting.


He said the purchase would provide a significant boost to the Make in India initiative.

The deal for the 83 Mk-1A jets will take the total number of Tejas variants ordered to 123.

The 40 LCAs already ordered by the IAF are in the initial operational clearance (IOC) and the more advanced final operational clearance (FOC) configurations. The LCA Mk-1A will come with additional improvements over the FOC aircraft, making it the most advanced Tejas variant so far.

The Mk-1A variant is expected to come with digital radar warning receivers, external self-protection jammer pods, active electronically scanned array radar, advanced beyond-visual-range missiles and significantly improved maintainability.

HAL is expected to deliver the first Mk-1A jet to the IAF three years after the deal is signed.

The deal was earlier expected to be worth around Rs 50,000 crore but it turned out to be cheaper as the air force reduced its requirements for spares and support facilities for the fighter jets.

The Mk-1A jets will form the bulk of the IAF’s combat squadrons as it attempts to make up the shortfall in its fighter fleet, said Air Vice Marshal Manmohan Bahadur (retd), additional director general, Centre for Air Power Studies.

“The Mk-1A jets will also serve as a stepping stone for the Tejas Mk-2 fighters on which the IAF has placed high hopes,” Bahadur added.

The IAF is struggling with a shortage of warplanes. Compared to an optimum strength of 42-plus units required to fight a two-front war, the count of the IAF’s fighter squadrons has shrunk to 31.

In a report tabled in Parliament in December 2019, the Parliamentary standing committee on defence said “all-out steps” should be taken to ensure that the “order book position” of defence public sector units such as HAL improved in the coming years and the ministry should extend full cooperation to achieve that.

The DAC, headed by defence minister Rajnath Singh, also approved the acquisition of indigenous military hardware worth Rs 1,300 crore including aerial fuses and twin-dome simulators for the IAF’s Hawk trainer aircraft.

The council also approved an amendment to the Defence Procurement Procedure (DPP)-2016 to enable review by a ‘costing committee’ of bids submitted by joint ventures of defence public sector undertakings/Ordnance Factory Board /Defence Research and Development Organisation from whom purchases are made on a nomination basis. “This will bring about more transparency in costs and compress the timelines for negotiation of the contract,” the spokesperson added.
https://www.defencenews.in/article/...000-cr-deal-for-83-advanced-Tejas-jets-809781

 

[Hydra3]

uttam is in testing and its testing phase, it has performed better than ELTA 2052.

Testing, but they have fielded it already. Asper report, uttam is less maintenance intensive than 2052. No other technical details are available in public domain ( correct me if i am wrong). And if uttam. Is far superior than 2052, IAF would have insisted uttam in mk1a.

 

[Lancer]

Buddy, if tactics are right any fighter can beat any other fighter. even F22s. They are not invincible. Its not a one on one boxing match out there after all

LCA's have absolutely tremendous potential. We will be fielding them in massive numbers, they will literally be our "lowest end/workhorse" category fighters - except they'll be fitted w/ AESA Radars + 100 KM BVR's and the ability to refuel in air. MiG-21 tactics (like masking RCS by flying near Su-30's) will come in handy as well - but this time they'll be applied to a far more capable and lethal platform.

For reference, the tip of the PAF's spear is 40-50 F-16 A/B's that are getting old and choked for spare parts (and a few missing post-Tarbela as well). The rest is absolute fucking garbage.

And 2 years from now? RIP Pakis. We'll have Rafales & S-400's as well. At that point, we'll be poised to absolutely gangbang Pakistan in one week flat.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

J10C = Tejas MK 1A - Payload and range .

J 10 is better in payload.

MWF = Gripen NG

MWF has better payload.

J10 is a great fighter we should not be like those pork idiots

It is not at all a great fighter.

J10 can beat Tejas,

No it can not.

They operates a huge fleet J10 and all of them upgraded with AESA Radars Powerful EW suites

yes, it is a big fleet but its AESA is ordinary and EW is a shit.

Certainly a threat , we should prepare for them .

Agreed.

While Chinese news paper itself had compared Tejas and JF 17 and said that Tejas is a plane of future. No other country makes as many plane as China does. However , they all are shit. in an exercise against chinese third generation plane vs J20, J 20 scored some 3.5:1 kill ratio. F 22 has that above 100. This is the difference between Chinese weapon and other weapons. Too often our innocent members fall in propaganda trap of China and over rates it. Just, 2 days back, Chinese rocket has fallen down. 2 more has failed earlier.

 

[Hydra3]

J 10 is better in payload.


MWF has better payload.


It is not at all a great fighter.


No it can not.


yes, it is a big fleet but its AESA is ordinary and EW is a shit.

Agreed.

While Chinese news paper itself had compared Tejas and JF 17 and said that Tejas is a plane of future. No other country makes as many plane as China does. However , they all are shit. in an exercise against chinese third generation plane vs J20, J 20 scored some 3.5:1 kill ratio. F 22 has that above 100. This is the difference between Chinese weapon and other weapons. Too often our innocent members fall in propaganda trap of China and over rates it. Just, 2 days back, Chinese rocket has fallen down. 2 more has failed earlier.

Can you provide the source of your claim 3.5:1 kill ratio of j20. That will be better for every one over here

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Can you provide the source of your claim 3.5:1 kill ratio of j20. That will be better for every one over here

Thread is here on IDF. please find out.

 

[Narasimh]

Thats what i am telling, we can beat any fighter with Tejas ( provided fight should be in this forum)

For a minute keep your sarcasm in the wallet and let us know what is your grouse here with the Tejas? What's the point you are trying to make ?

 

[dude00720]

For a minute keep your sarcasm in the wallet and let us know what is your grouse here with the Tejas? What's the point you are trying to make ?

This happens when people lose their ball bearings. Now, that MK1A is approed by DAC. Time to badmouth Mk1A.
Compare with F-22.

 

[Aaj ka hero]

Thread is here on IDF. please find out.

I keep telling the member to go and search for it in back, this things were discussed back but to no avail.

 

[Hydra3]

For a minute keep your sarcasm in the wallet and let us know what is your grouse here with the Tejas? What's the point you are trying to make ?

If you can agree with tejas beatin j10, why don't you accept tejas shooting down f22?

 

[Atcjurvin]

If you can agree with tejas beatin j10, why don't you accept tejas shooting down f22?

By looking at the quality and training level of Chinese pilots tejas can beat j10.