LCA TEJAS MK1 & MK1A: News and Discussion

[Veiled V I P E R 2]

Guys recent ly Ada said(in Ananth k m s video around mwf) that mwf will be only fighter in iafs inventory to carry 8 bvrs
Then do u all have any idea how many bvraams can carry other fighter s in iaf
1.tejas foc(2bvrs ,seen upto now)
2.mk1a(4 bvrs,said by @hvtiaf)
3.su30 (6bvrs)
4.rafale(6bvrs)
5.mirage 2000(4 bvrs)
6.mig29(4bvrs)
7.mig21 bison(2 bvrs )
Data...I got from different photo s available in internet....
Happy to be corrected
@porky_kicker @Bleh @Indiahawk @Nextoft_009

Su-30MKI with 4 CCM and 8 BVRAAM. MKI can carry 10×Astra or, 10×R77

MiG 29 with 2 CCM and 6 BVR AAM

Tejas MK1 FOC can carry 2CCM and 4 BVRAAM
• Mirage can carry 2 CCM and 6 MICA BVRAAM
• Rafale can carry 10 BVR AAM (10 MICA or 6 Meteror + 4 MICA)

 

[abhay rajput]

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Su-30MKI with 4 CCM and 8 BVRAAM. MKI can carry 10×Astra or, 10×R77

MiG 29 with 2 CCM and 6 BVR AAM
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Tejas MK1 FOC can carry 2CCM and 4 BVRAAM
• Mirage can carry 2 CCM and 6 MICA BVRAAM
• Rafale can carry 10 BVR AAM (10 MICA or 6 Meteror + 4 MICA)

Just a little correction both Rafale and su30mki can carry more than you have mentioned.. only wingtip pylons are for CCM .. under wing pylons can be used for bvr/CCM missiles.. su30 can carry 10 bvr and 2ccm.. Rafale can also carry more than 6 bvr if drop tanks is not carried..

 

[rone]

Almost half of Feb still no FOC LCA ,no idea why it getting delayed I have very low confidence on what hal ppl told on defexpo20 abt fielding 4 foc before march end

 

[Raju Seth]

Almost half of Feb still no FOC LCA ,no idea why it getting delayed I have very low confidence on what hal ppl told on defexpo20 abt fielding 4 foc before march end

relax till march,they will not hold ceremony for every jet,plus a new squad is to be raised , so atleast 4 or 8 jets are reuired,iaf isnt going to raise squad with 2 jets again

 

[Veiled V I P E R 2]

Just a little correction both Rafale and su30mki can carry more than you have mentioned.. only wingtip pylons are for CCM .. under wing pylons can be used for bvr/CCM missiles.. su30 can carry 10 bvr and 2ccm.. Rafale can also carry more than 6 bvr if drop tanks is not carried..

I already mentioned that Rafale & Su-30MKI can carry 10 BVR-AAM

 

[Shashwat]

Read it... Not talking about planning. We know it can be done, but has this software upgradation actually happened?

What are you? A kinder gardener? Next you will ask to proof Uranus just because you haven't seen it.

Is there a proof that any Indian plane can drop Nuclear weapon? But we all know which plane can do it and why are we buying its successor.

4750th flight on 7th Feb

TD1 : 233

PV1: 245

PV3: 387

LSP1: 74

LSP3:508

LSP5: 490

TD2 : 305

PV2: 222

PV5: 277

LSP2: 334

LSP4: 456

LSP7: 366

NP1: 164

LSP8 : 293

PV6:263

NP2: 125

SP6:8


·4747th flight on 31st Jan

TD1 : 233

PV1: 245

PV3: 387

LSP1: 74

LSP3:507

LSP5: 490

TD2 : 305

PV2: 222

PV5: 277

LSP2: 333

LSP4: 455

LSP7: 366

NP1: 164

LSP8 : 293

PV6:263

NP2: 125

SP6:8



Source...https://www.ada.gov.in/

Your copy pasting skills are intact! Presentation dude. Atleast use screenshots.

We shall soon have the milestone of 5000 accident free flights.

5000? it did way back. Over and above 7000. These are development number when combine with SQ number its way above 7000. Now don't ask for source ;P

 

[Bleh]

What are you? A kinder gardener? Next you will ask to proof Uranus just because you haven't seen it.

There's proof of Uranus... But "will happen" in 2018 doesn't mean has "happened" in 2020.
If you don't have any confirmation, just say it. There are more capable people than you here who can find out.

 

[vishnugupt]

relax till march,they will not hold ceremony for every jet,plus a new squad is to be raised , so atleast 4 or 8 jets are reuired,iaf isnt going to raise squad with 2 jets again

We are waiting for first flight not for any ceremony. Its been almost 5 months still didn't fly. What do you mean by saying wait till March? You mean all 4 FoC jet will fly on same day??

 

[Bleh]

Almost half of Feb still no FOC LCA ,no idea why it getting delayed I have very low confidence on what hal ppl told on defexpo20 abt fielding 4 foc before march end

relax till march,they will not hold ceremony for every jet,plus a new squad is to be raised , so atleast 4 or 8 jets are reuired,iaf isnt going to raise squad with 2 jets again

We are waiting for first flight not for any ceremony. Its been almost 5 months still didn't fly. What do you mean by saying wait till March? You mean all 4 FoC jet will fly on same day??

Good points.
I think they said ground testing going on for one & software checks on another... Anybody knows how long do those take?

How many jets needed for official squadron raising?

 

[HariPrasad-1]

5000? it did way back. Over and above 7000. These are development number when combine with SQ number its way above 7000. Now don't ask for source ;P

Thanks for the update. Ya, I had quoted developmental trials.

 

[MonaLazy]

Boys and girls we have a winner on our hands-


copy-pasted from the same thread-

IAF's Flying Daggers the first LCA-Tejas Mk1 Squadron has clocked 2000 sorties in the last 3 years with just a small fleet of 18 aircraft said the latest report from the Squadron. Tejas Mk1 aircraft in possession of the Squadron have been averaging at least 2 sorties per day and many of the pilots from the Squad are all praise of the indigenously developed fighter jet. The bulk of the sorties have been clocked in the last 18 months after deliveries of IOC-Configured Tejas Mk1 by HAL and many teething issues have been resolved at an even faster pace due to the continued availability of HAL technicians at the base. Pilots from Mirage Squadrons who are currently flying Tejas Mk1 are of high praise of the nimble fighter jet which they rank above Mirage-2000 when it comes to the handling of the aircraft in flight. Availability to customize its weapons package and hard work which is going to develop tactics and training schedule for future pilots of the upgraded 83 Tejas Mk1A jets is why pilots are enjoying their time in down south before they are deputed at the forward airbase close to Pakistan in the western sector in the near future. The second Squadron of Tejas Mk1 will be commissioned later this year and more and more pilots are been trained by the first Squadron for the latter to be fully in charge of the squadron. The second Squadron is likely to be placed in North India and some reports hints it will be in the Srinagar air force base to replace Mig-21Bis squadron currently deployed there. HAL official has confirmed that American supplied GE-404 engines have maintained their niggle free operations when maintained as per OEM and even squadron level technicians are of high praise of service schedule of the engine and ease of maintenance and how spares ordered reach on time. since fr many technicians, this is for the first time they r working and servicing an American made engine and there are all high praise for it. Coming back to Pilots, GE-404 engines powering Tejas Mk1 have displayed a high level of safety standards and most impressive has been its ferry range which is more than or at par with larger jets. Ex-Air Chief Marshal Birender Singh Dhanoa had said that F404-GE-IN20 engines have excellent fuel efficiency which he has rarely seen among contemporary fighter jets he has flown. Dhanoa who is a Mig-21 Veteran compared MiG-21bis’s R-25 engine with F404-GE-IN20 and said that fuel efficiency you had from F404 at 8000ft altitude you only get that around 30000 ft altitude when flying a MiG-21. The same has been said that the ferry range of the Tejas Mk1 is similar to that of the Jaguar Strike aircraft which is surprising due to Mk1 being a smaller jet that has displayed the same level of ferry range as that of larger twin-engine Jaguar. At Gagan Shakti 2018, 8 Tejas Mk1 performed remarkably well and emerged with the best range scores in terms of best weapon delivery by any aircraft and 8 aircrafts also had higher sortie and availability rate than other participating aircraft. For former Mig-21Bis pilots coming in as Squadron pilots of LCA-Tejas Mk1 is like graduating from Premier Padmini to a Mercedes. the feeling is mutual and they are simply awed at ease of the level of flying and of the responsive engine having their back all the time. For Su-30 Pilots, it’s like graduating from a Hummer to a peppy little sports car which is equally fun. Post-retirement of the Mig-27s from the IAF fleet, the next batch of pilots will be from Mig-27 flying background and they will likely be floored and impressed by the Air to Ground performance of the Mk1.

 

[Shashwat]

^^ Seems like IDRW is surfing the forum

 

[Pulkit]

SP 21 expected to be handed over to IAF next week.....

As per a informed source.....

If it comes true I will be happy that finally.... Finally.... The day has come....

Sad because HAL is still not serious and still causing delays....

 

[Shaitan]

SP 21 expected to be handed over to IAF next week.....

As per a informed source.....

If it comes true I will be happy that finally.... Finally.... The day has come....

Sad because HAL is still not serious and still causing delays....

Their production is very, very slow.

 

[Shashwat]

SP 21 expected to be handed over to IAF next week.....

As per a informed source.....

If it comes true I will be happy that finally.... Finally.... The day has come....

Sad because HAL is still not serious and still causing delays....

Not possible. They have to do Taxi trials and then 3 test flight followed by 3 flights by IAF only after that they can begin to think about handling not to mention the documentation.

They haven't even done the FF let alone other things.

Lets not blame HAL for everything, its hardly a year FOC was awarded moreover a s.w delay from Ada aggravated the situation. Tejas is their bread and butter for now and if they screw up they can't sustain for long.

 

[Pulkit]

Not possible. They have to do Taxi trials and then 3 test flight followed by 3 flights by IAF only after that they can begin to think about handling not to mention the documentation.

They haven't even done the FF let alone other things.

Lets not blame HAL for everything, its hardly a year FOC was awarded moreover a s.w delay from Ada aggravated the situation. Tejas is their bread and butter for now and if they screw up they can't sustain for long.

You might be right about further delay.... I just stated that from a reliable source....
FYI it was expected to be delivered two months back.... Then there was a strike and bla bla.....
Yes HAL is a reason for delay.... Ads or DRDO are equally responsible....
You stating post FOC timelines are wrong as like I said it was expected last year....

They know they are Govt Org and have monopoly and nothing gonna happen to their salaries....
Times are changing not long before Govt will be in a position to shut them down in case of non performance.....

 

[Shaitan]

Not possible. They have to do Taxi trials and then 3 test flight followed by 3 flights by IAF only after that they can begin to think about handling not to mention the documentation.

They haven't even done the FF let alone other things.

Lets not blame HAL for everything, its hardly a year FOC was awarded moreover a s.w delay from Ada aggravated the situation. Tejas is their bread and butter for now and if they screw up they can't sustain for long.

You can blame HAL. They keep missing their own estimates. It's been a consistent thing too.

 

[Shaitan]

There needs to be a parallel production plant outside HAL, because this is unacceptable.

They'll control the production of LCA mark 1s, MWF, AMCA, Ghatak, Rustom 2 and their own programs. It's a recipe for disaster.

 

[Suryavanshi]

There needs to be a parallel production plant outside HAL, because this is unacceptable.

Would expanding the role of ADA suffice, as far as things go it has a decent reputation and work.
If not full integrations they can do the job of contributing more to the sub system while keep on adding to their Infrastructure and Intellectual resources.

The only entities that are in the aeronautical fields are HAL, ADA,NAL.
Private companies do not have any capability as of now Mahindra is only supplying OEMs to British aerospace and Tata has just begun to formulate it's aerospace sector venture.

 

[Deathstar]

Would expanding the role of ADA suffice, as far as things go it has a decent reputation and work.
If not full integrations they can do the job of contributing more to the sub system while keep on adding to their Infrastructure and Intellectual resources.

The only entities that are in the aeronautical fields are HAL, ADA,NAL.
Private companies do not have any capability as of now Mahindra is only supplying OEMs to British aerospace and Tata has just begun to formulate it's aerospace sector venture.

We need to have 2 companies competing in each sector just like Chinese.
Eg for A/Cs China has AVIC , CAC.
US has LM and Boeing.
Russia has MiG , Sukhoi.
We need to have competitor to ADA , HAL and even DRDO....atleast all design institutes should have competitors