LCA TEJAS MK1 & MK1A: News and Discussion

[Bhurki]

price negotiation.... seriously BC its HAL, a PSU (public sector unit). the money comes back to the public anyway. these are just delaying tactics. MoD Babus are pissed they won't be able to strike a deal with a foreign vendor who can give them a cut of the money.

I think its more about breaking even than making a profit..

 

[IndiaRising]

I think its more about breaking even than making a profit..

MoD has a track record of not paying HAL on time anyways, so what is the point of price negotiations for so long? just sign the damn contract so at least they can get started.

PS: Im not a big fan of HAL or any PSU for that matter but MoD babus are not as innocent as some people would think.

 

[Craigs]

Nahi bhai, you negotiate with BHAJIWALA (HAL). When you go into Reliance Fresh, Big Bazaar, etc. (foreign weapons supplier) you Don't negotiate just pull out your credit card and move out, like Modi did by swiping it in France for 36 Rafales...

Have to negotiate with bhajiwala as many times their prices are higher than Reliance Fresh and then the bhajiwalas come out with innovative sob stories justifying their high price.

 

[sorcerer]

400 projects of LCA were given to IITs, IISc: Kota Harinarayana
BENGALURU: As manyas 400 design and development projects of the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) were given to Indian Institutes of Technology (IITs) and Indian Institute of Science (IISc), said the father of LCA, Kota Harinarayana, here on Saturday. He was talking at the first ever IIT-Indusry conclave that the IIT Alumni Centre Bengaluru (IIT-ACB) hosted in the city. Directors and alumni of various IITs across the country attended the two-day conclave that touched upon industy-IIT collaborations in four key areas --- Biotechnology, Information and Communications Technology, Aerospace, and Manufacturing. IIT-ACB is located in Bengaluru which boasts of the largest, approximately 15,000, IIT alumni.
https://www.newindianexpress.com/st...n-to-iits-iisc-kota-harinarayana-2101027.html

 

[shankyz]

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[Bleh]

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HD..................................

 

[patriots]

83 Tejas mk1a in confirmed.........
So work is going on
Again most of the upgradation of mk1a are in testing in jigs
And with flying LSPs ...

 

[patriots]

Tejas radar is better than aesa
Of jaguar
Tejas radar is bigger and powerful than jaguar

 

[Bleh]

Questions that's been bothering everyone... answered!

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Tejas has a great scope of Improving the range.There is a lots of space behind pilot.s seat. More over seat is slopped. On back side, there is a space for oxygen cylider etc which will not be require once OBOGS comes in. We can easily add few hundred liters of fuel by enlarging the tank and by shortening the cockpit. Some electronics are getting compact and low in weight. That should release some space as well. There are many scope of improving Tejas as a platform but what we have heard in recent time is all about electronics and new system and not about improving the platform and aerodynamics which is very important in my opinion. So let us hope that this things come with Mk1 A. Any weight reduction in tejas from this point of time will put Tejas in a differnt league and give it an edge in dogfight with any neighboring aircraft including F 16 of Pakistan. let us see. We have waited a lot. Let us wait for couple of more years.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

PLAAF Senior Pilot Reveals Poor Performance in Joint Exercise With RTAF Published February 10, 2020 | By admin SOURCE: AIN ONLINE An early December 2019 report from inside of the People’s Republic of China (PRC) reveals previously unreleased technical details of People’s Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) Russian-built Su-27s losing a majority of engagements in a November 2015 joint exercise with the 701 Fighter Squadron of the Royal Thai Air Force (RTAF). This Thai unit operates eight Saab JAS-39C and four JAS-39D Gripens. The engagements, known as Falcon Strike 2015, were the first of three such exercises and were detailed in a lecture given by one of the PLAAF’s most heavily decorated pilots, Senior Colonel Li Chunghua Hua (???), at the PRC’s Northwestern Polytechnical University (??????) in Xi’an, Shaanxi Province. Li is described as one of the most experienced Sukhoi Su-27SK/J-11A pilots in the PLAAF with some 3,200 hours in fast jets, much of them in the Russian-made Sukhoi. His revelations are unprecedented and are assessed by US intelligence as demonstrating a growing concern within the officer corps over deficiencies with the training regime for the PLAAF’s pilot cadre. These first exercises ran at Korat Royal Thai Air Force Base and showed the advantages of the smaller and more technologically-advanced Gripen over the Russian Sukhoi. Several of Li’s summations from the exercise are: The JAS-39 performance was at its worst inside the within visual range (WVR) envelope. Over a two-day period, PLAAF pilots shot down 25 Gripens at a loss of only one Su-27. The Su-27 has an advantage over the performance of the JAS-39 due to its more powerful Salyut AL-31F engines, and the Swedish aircraft was handicapped in that it was equipped with the older-generation AIM-9L Sidewinder instead of the current-generation Diehl IRIS-T missile. Once the exercise transitioned to beyond visual range (BVR) combat, the superiority of the JAS-39 became readily apparent. The Swedish aircraft shot down 41 Su-27s over a period of four days with a loss of only nine JAS-39s. The Su-27s flown by the PLAAF were operating with a modified version of the NIIP N001 radar that could fire the Vympel RVV-AE active-homing air-to-air missile (AAM). But its effective detection range was only 120km in comparison with the JAS-39’s Ericsson PS-05/A at 160km. The Gripen’s Raytheon AIM-120 AAM also outranged the RVV-AE at 80km versus only 50 km for the Russian missile. Li stated that the JAS-39C/D’s much smaller radar cross-section (RCS) at 1.5-2.0 m2 was a major factor, as the much larger Su-27 is easier to detect at 12 sq miles. The JAS-39 can also ripple-fire up to four AIM-120s simultaneously but the Su-27 can fire only one RVV-AE at a time. Gripen achieved 88 percent of its kills at 19 miles or greater, while the Su-27 had just 14 percent of its kills at this range. The RTAF also had 10 kills at a distance of more than 31 miles compared with zero long-distance kills by the Su-27. In subsequent exercises the PLAAF fared better by sending the Chengdu J-10A – and then in 2019 the J-10C – in place of the Su-27. Li pointed out that the J-10C was more of a match for the JAS-39C/D in that “its active array radar significantly improves detection distance and multi-target attack capability, the DSI (divertless) air intake of the J-10C reduces the radar intercept area while the PL-15 missile increases the range, making it an over-the-horizon platform.” Li also commented that the next-generation version of the Gripen, the JAS-39E, is likely to feature even more advanced combat performance. His interest in the aircraft parallels a larger body of analysis within the PLA intelligence community that has had a fixation on the design and development of the Gripen as a template for PRC industry to follow.

This Encounter shows how small aircrafts such as tejas can become a big headache in BVRM Encounters.
With 110 ranged astra coming in MK1A will surely have a edge against pakistan. With superior radar and a better jamming systems.

 

[Veiled V I P E R 2]

Which BVRAAM is Tejas currently using and what is the range? Will Astra BVR be integrated with Tejas in near future?

 

[rone]

why don't we use ldp hardpoint for jammer instead of wvram hardpoint? anyone can ask him

 

[Assassin 2.0]

Which BVRAAM is Tejas currently using and what is the range? Will Astra BVR be integrated with Tejas in near future?

For now it's using R-77 in future it will be armed with Astra and I-derby or asraam of UK.

 

[Shashwat]

For now it's using R-77 in future it will be armed with Astra and I-derby or asraam of UK.

BVR is Derby and not R77. Future Mk1a will have Astra in the default BVR loadout.

 

[Veiled V I P E R 2]

BVR is Derby and not R77. Future Mk1a will have Astra in the default BVR loadout.

So, It's Derby BVR which has a maximum range of 50km and AFAIK No.45 Squadron with IOC MK1 can't fire BVR so, basically our 40 MK1 Tejas are just increasing the squadron number without giving any advantage. We can't use those Tejas during conflict, with 50km bvr range it'll be sitting duck. In this loadout Tejas is weaker than MiG 21 Bison. Hope after 5-6 year MK1 FOC & IOC will be upgraded to MK1A standard.

 

[Shashwat]

So, It's Derby BVR which has a maximum range of 50km and AFAIK No.45 Squadron with IOC MK1 can't fire BVR so, basically our 40 MK1 Tejas are just increasing the squadron number without giving any advantage. We can't use those Tejas during conflict, with 50km bvr range it'll be sitting duck. In this loadout Tejas is weaker than MiG 21 Bison. Hope after 5-6 year MK1 FOC & IOC will be upgraded to MK1A standard.

Assumptions assumptions! Don't AFAIK without having solid info.

No one knew the range of Derby and if you think any company will release actual range for such sensitive tech is sadly mistaken. Moreover, Indian variant is I-Derby and not the older one.

Lastly, 45SQ can fire it, they received s.w update back way back in 2018.

Based on the successful integration and demonstration, Regional Centre for Military Airworthiness (RCMA), a unit of DRDO has cleared the series production aircraft of Squadron 45, to be equipped with Derby operational capability. LCATejas has successfully completed a series of captive flight trials to clear Derby for the full operational capability in the entire FOC envelope. In the past, Tejas has qualified for the armaments and missile release related trials.

https://pib.gov.in/newsite/PrintRelease.aspx?relid=178996

 

[Bleh]

Was reading a report on anath krishnan’s time like about how Chinese PLAAF jets(Russian) lost to thai airforce in BVR.
There was a mention of ripple fire capability of AMRAAMs by Saab jets used by royal Thai airforce.

Does LCA or any Indian fighter jets have this capability?

why don't we use ldp hardpoint for jammer instead of wvram hardpoint? anyone can ask him

@patriots These are interesting... I too have wondered why can't LDP be replaced with SPJ & IRST.

See what you can find from AK & HVT. You're the guy for this.

Tejas has a great scope of Improving the range.There is a lots of space behind pilot's seat...
...Wecan easily add few hundred liters of fuel by enlarging the tank and byshortening the cockpit.

I thought the same damn thing, or atleast similar.

My idea was to use a NLCA NP-2 like concept on Mark1A to make extra room, without need for drastic redesigning. That's why I've been asking around if two-seater Tejas has more drag (a dealbreaker) or not.

 

[patriots]

Tejas radar is better than aesa
Of jaguar
Tejas radar is bigger and

why don't we use ldp hardpoint for jammer instead of wvram hardpoint? anyone can ask him

That ldp point can't carry rail lunched bvraams or wvr
It will cause engine ingestion due to exhaust gas of missile
Mica ...can be fitted there(originally answered by nileshjrane ,to my question)
Though I too believe that point should be used as ....in a2a mission that ldp pod is useless

 

[patriots]

Again Ada will integrate spj on a outer pylon ,to use the spj in maximum potential
(Answered by nileshjrane)

Though jf17 carry a spj just below it's intake


Also heard that nlca already flown with spj(read in brf, can't remember, please don't ask for refference)
@Bleh