Kolkata Class Destroyers Update

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A comparision in terms of size, Right - Talwar class, Left - Kolkata Class ..
Is that three subs moored in the background? Modern destroyer, frigate and three subs all in a row. Hope the navy has prepared for a Pearl Harbour or similar type attack.
 

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Its the other way around, This is a classic way of protecting vessels from enemy saboteur ..

In Mumbai or any other Naval base, Ships are docked closer to each other for better surveillance and Guarding ..

Mumbai naval base is more vulnerable to an enemy diver with explosive than an aerial attack or cruise missile attack from a submarine ..

Is that three subs moored in the background? Modern destroyer, frigate and three subs all in a row. Hope the navy has prepared for a Pearl Harbour or similar type attack.
 

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Today the navy chief said that the first of the P-15A Kolkata Class destroyer will join the western command soon and the ships of P-28 Kamorta class will join the eastern command.

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About the Barak-8 :

According to an article in Jerusalem Post quoting a senior Israeli Navy official, one of the Saar 5 coverttes has been fitted with the Barak 8.
 

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Israel Navy ships get radar upgrade - IHS Jane's 360


The Israeli Navy has begun installing phased-array radars on Sa'ar 5 and Sa'ar 4.5 vessels as part of a wider weapons and electronics upgrade, according to a senior naval source.

Led by the navy's Weapons Systems Division, the programme has seen the navy and Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) team up to design and develop the new radars.
One of the three Sa'ar 5 corvettes has already been fitted with a fixed-array radar system. The navy declined to name the vessel, but it is not INS Hanit, which was seen in March with its original air search and fire control radars.

(Picture of a Saar 5 going upgrade in link)
 

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The Israel Navy has begun a program to enhance its sea-to-surface missile capabilities, a senior naval source told The Jerusalem Post in recent days.

In addition to missiles, the Weapons Systems Division has been working with Israeli defense corporations to develop new radars for missile ships.

This has resulted in the Adir (Powerful) radar, described by the source as the "most advanced naval radar system Israel has seen. Relative to what's available in the world, it is one of the most advanced,"he said.
A fixed phased-array system, the Adir radar was built by Israel Aerospace Industries.
The radar has four "walls" that allow it to permanently gaze at the ship's surroundings.
It scans 180 degrees and assembles a "picture" of threats, such as low-flying missiles, or fighter jets flying at high altitude.
The source said that the radar's electronic beam tracks moving targets continuously, allowing for rapid tracking and lock-on, and a speedy missile strike on the target if necessary.
"We can view many targets," the source said. "The Adir has the added value of being able to deal with multiple targets."
The old, revolving radars would need to bounce a signal off a target at least twice or three times before detecting it.
The fixed phased-array radar, in contrast, does not need to spin and wait for repeated hits to confirm a target, saving valuable time, he said.
One such system is already installed on a Sa'ar 5-class corvette, together with Barak 8 air defense missiles, which can hit targets from long-range, including aircraft.
A Sa'ar 4.5-class corvette has, meanwhile, been equipped with a rotating phased-array radar, together with Barak 1 air defense missiles.


The Israel Navy is quietly enhancing its capabilities for precision, long-range missiles | JPost | Israel News
 

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I think both the Kolkata and Kamorta need to go to Western fleet as part of Vikramaditya CBG and Delhi and Godavari can be transfered to Eastern fleet..
 

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I think both the Kolkata and Kamorta need to go to Western fleet as part of Vikramaditya CBG and Delhi and Godavari can be transfered to Eastern fleet..
Kamortas are probably being based in eastern seaboard due to chinese sub threat perception.
 

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The warships without ATAS include three Delhi-class destroyers (INS Delhi, Mumbai and Mysore); three Brahmaputra class frigates (INS Brahmaputra, Betwa and Beas); six Talwar class frigates; and three Shivalik class frigates (INS Shivalik, Satpura and Sahyadri). Ten warships are currently being built without ATAS - four Kamorta class corvettes (INS Kamorta, Kadmatt, Kiltan and Kavaratti); and three Kolkata class destroyers (INS Kolkata, Kochi and Chennai)

A serving admiral told Business Standard tersely: "The MoD is endangering warships worth several thousand crore each, and the lives of several hundred crewmen, by blocking the import of ATAS that costs just Rs 50 crore each."
ATAS is especially vital for our neighbourhood. Warships detect underwater objects (like submarines) with sonar - a "ping" of sound emitted into the water that reflects from submarines, just as radar bounces back from aircraft. In our waters, however, that signal often gets lost. Our warm climes cause a sharp "temperature gradient", with warm water on the surface that cools rapidly as one goes deeper. These water layers at different temperatures refract (bend) sonar waves, often deflecting them altogether from the warship's sensors. With the returning sound signal lost, the warship cannot detect the submarine.
To overcome this, an ATAS is towed by the warship with a cable, extending deep below the surface, into the cooler layers where submarines lurk. With the ATAS positioned in the colder water layers, there is no "temperature differential". Even the faintest return signal from a submarine is detected.
PTAS, unlike ATAS, does not actively "ping". It can only detect a submarine that is emitting sound. Since submarines on patrol are deliberately silent, they emit no sound for a PTAS to detect.

While the Arabian Sea offers tricky, shallow-water operating conditions, the Bay of Bengal is much deeper. Thirty kilometres off Karachi, the ocean floor is just 40 metres deep; while five kilometres off Visakhapatnam, the depth is 3,000 metres. The Arabian Sea, therefore, is the playground of small conventional submarines.

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Kamortas are probably being based in eastern seaboard due to chinese sub threat perception.
Actually Navy chief is a confusing guy..

During his visit to ENC he said both Kolkata and Kamorta will go to WNC..

At WNC he said one will go to ENC
 

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An old but good article on barak missiles

India & Israel's Barak-8 SAM Development Project(s) 8 in India&sa=X&ei=ycR8U8iXCYzQrQeCl4GoDw&ved=0CCwQFjAC

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And then....
All went according to plan until the Indians found that they had a major problem: they did not have enough engineers in the government procurement bureaucracy to quickly and accurately transfer the Israeli technical data to the Indian manufacturers.In addition, some of the Indian firms that were to manufacture Barak 8 either misrepresented their capabilities or did not know until it was too late that they did not have the personnel or equipment to handle the manufacturing of Barak 8 components.

Air Defense: India Fumbles A Sure Thing 8 in India&sa=X&ei=ycR8U8iXCYzQrQeCl4GoDw&ved=0CC4QFjAD
 

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The Reason the Kolkatas are delayed is because the bureaucrats who handled the contracting for the LR-SAM development forgot to add one small detail that the control suite of the SAM had to be compatible with the Central software architecture of the Kolkatas, its a software issue plain and simple the missiles and launchers themselves are ready only that the Kolkatas software cannot launch them or target them , so the entire software for the missile system is being reprogrammed. The system should be ready and integrated with the hulls by end 2015.
 

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The Reason the Kolkatas are delayed is because the bureaucrats who handled the contracting for the LR-SAM development forgot to add one small detail that the control suite of the SAM had to be compatible with the Central software architecture of the Kolkatas, its a software issue plain and simple the missiles and launchers themselves are ready only that the Kolkatas software cannot launch them or target them , so the entire software for the missile system is being reprogrammed. The system should be ready and integrated with the hulls by end 2015.
Idiots. We need experts not pen pushers.
 

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