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IAF chief Rakesh Bhadauria to flag off 6 Rafale fighters from France on April 21

Indian Air Force chief Air Chief Marshal Rakesh Bhadauria will flag off six Rafale fighter jets from Merignac-Bordeaux airbase in south-western France on April 21, setting the stage for activating the second Rafale squadron at Hasimara in West Bengal, people familiar with the matter said.

 

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IAF chief Rakesh Bhadauria to flag off 6 Rafale fighters from France on April 21

Indian Air Force chief Air Chief Marshal Rakesh Bhadauria will flag off six Rafale fighter jets from Merignac-Bordeaux airbase in south-western France on April 21, setting the stage for activating the second Rafale squadron at Hasimara in West Bengal, people familiar with the matter said.


guys any chance he pushes for 36 more Rafale on this visit.
I really feel we,need f4 version x 2 sqds
if we order this year the first lot would start arriving 2024 or 2025 latest we can probably get them.at one billion dollars less than last time having infrastructures and training programme in place already
my attitude is scrap mmrca buy 40 Rafale more awacs and ramp up Amca project big style and double even triple lca production
 

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guys any chance he pushes for 36 more Rafale on this visit.
I really feel we,need f4 version x 2 sqds
if we order this year the first lot would start arriving 2024 or 2025 latest we can probably get them.at one billion dollars less than last time having infrastructures and training programme in place already
my attitude is scrap mmrca buy 40 Rafale more awacs and ramp up Amca project big style and double even triple lca production
3 squadrons at a min. 1 squadron of current f3r for sizeable number of top end fighters and 2 squadrons of f4. Or 3 squadrons of f3r which will be upgraded to f4 later on.
 

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guys any chance he pushes for 36 more Rafale on this visit.
I really feel we,need f4 version x 2 sqds
if we order this year the first lot would start arriving 2024 or 2025 latest we can probably get them.at one billion dollars less than last time having infrastructures and training programme in place already
my attitude is scrap mmrca buy 40 Rafale more awacs and ramp up Amca project big style and double even triple lca production
yes you are right. 2 more squadrons is minimum. we will face chinese j20 which is better than all other aircrafts in IAF inventory except rafale.
 

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Fifth batch of Rafale aircrafts arrive in India from France
NEW DELHI: The Indian Air Force (IAF) on Wednesday said the fifth batch of the Rafale aircraft arrived in India after flying a distance of almost 8,000 km from France. The IAF did not disclose the number of aircraft that landed in India but people familiar with the development said four jets were part of the new batch.

 

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So what is mediapart doing, do we expect new 'revelation' to sabotage additional procurement of Rafale by IAF.
Leftist scourge are the scum of the earth
Nothing to expect. Mediapart news made pshitttt
It's a cold case.
 

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https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...from-france-for-training-101619580441806.html

The Indian Air Force (IAF) has approached the French government to lease one Airbus A330 multi-role tanker transport aircraft for training purposes as a precursor to lease five more mid-air refuellers for increasing the combat capability and radius of its multi-role fighters.


The leasing will be done on government-to-government basis with the IAF already issuing a request for information (RFI) for a single aircraft while a request for proposals route will be used for the additional five refuellers on lease. The issue was discussed during Air Chief Marshal RKS Bhadauria’s visit to France last week.

“With IAF looking towards A330 refuellers for its future, it is only natural that its pilots are trained in advance to handle the aircraft as mid-air refuelling is a precision process with zero margin of error and huge stakes,” said an IAF official.
 

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30 more rafales for Egypt :

More details here :
According to our information, the agreement concerns three contracts. The first is for the purchase of thirty Rafale fighter jets from Dassault for 3.75 billion euros. The other two contracts are worth 200 million euros for the missile manufacturer MBDA and the equipment manufacturer Safran Electronics & Defense. Total value of the deal: €3.95 billion.
 

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30 more rafales for Egypt :

More details here :
According to our information, the agreement concerns three contracts. The first is for the purchase of thirty Rafale fighter jets from Dassault for 3.75 billion euros. The other two contracts are worth 200 million euros for the missile manufacturer MBDA and the equipment manufacturer Safran Electronics & Defense. Total value of the deal: €3.95 billion.
30 !!! looks incredible.

same news on a swiss news paper : http://www.opex360.com/2021/05/03/l...e-commander-30-avions-rafale-supplementaires/
 

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FRANCE TO SELL EGYPT 30 FIGHTER JETS IN $4.5 BILLION DEAL -EGYPTIAN DEFENCE MINISTRY, REPORT
Egypt has signed a contract with France to buy 30 Rafale fighter jets, its defence ministry said in a statement early on Tuesday, in a deal that investigative website Disclose said on Monday was worth 3.75 billion euro ($4.5 billion)


President Emmanuel Macron said in December he would not make the sale of weapons to Egypt conditional on human rights because he did not want to weaken Cairo's ability to counter terrorism in the region, a comment that drew the ire of critics.

Egypt's defence ministry said the deal would be financed through a loan to be re-paid over at least 10 years, but did not disclose the value of the deal or further details.

Citing confidential documents, Disclose said an agreement had been concluded at the end of April and a deal could be sealed on Tuesday when an Egyptian delegation arrives in Paris.

This deal would be a further boost for the Dassault-made (AVMD.PA) warplane after a 2.5 billion euro agreement was finalised in January for the sale of 18 Rafales to Greece.

The Egyptian accord also reportedly covers contracts for missile provider MBDA and equipment provider Safran Electronics & Defence (SAF.PA) which are worth another 200 million euros.

France's finance, foreign and armed forces ministries were not immediately available for comment.

France was the main weapons supplier to Egypt between 2013-2017, including the sale of 24 warplanes with an option for 12 more. Those contracts dried up, including deals for more Rafale jets and warships that had been at an advanced stage.

Diplomats said that was as much to do with financing issues over fears about Cairo's long-term ability to repay state-backed guaranteed loans, rather than concerns Paris had with the human rights situation in Egypt.

Benedicte Jeannerod, Human Rights Watch Director for France, denounced the deal outright.

By signing a mega-arms contract with (Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-) Sisi's government while the latter presides over the worst repression in decades in Egypt, the eradication of the human rights community in the country, and undertakes extremely serious violations under the pretext of the fight against terrorism, France is only encouraging this ruthless repression," Jeannerod told Reuters.

Disclose said financing for the deal would be up to 85% guaranteed by the French state with BNP Paribas SA, Credit Agricole, Societe Generale and CIC, which funded the original deal, signing up again. The banks were not immediately available for comment.

Concerned by the political vacuum in Libya, instability across the region and the threat from jihadist groups in Egypt, both countries have cultivated closer economic and military ties since Sisi's rise to power.

Rights organisations have accused Macron of turning a blind eye to what they say are increasing violations of freedoms by Sisi's government.

French officials dismiss this and say Paris is following a policy of not openly criticising countries over human rights so as to be more effective in private on a case-by-case basis.
 

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It's clear from the Egyptian deal that a follow-on purchase for 36 more Rafales for the IAF will not cost anywhere near USD 8.5 billion but more in the USD 4.5-5 billion range. That's thanks to the existing expenditure on infrastructure, training, MRO, India Specific Enhancements, etc.

Question is when will the IAF go to the GoI and ask for 2 more squadrons of the Rafale since the MRFA contest is a mirage which will never ever be a reality?

Earlier they had said that the IAF would wait till all 36 Rafales were inducted before taking up the case for 2 more squadrons of Rafales..that would mean sometime next year we may see the case for 2 more squadrons being taken to the MoD.
 

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It's clear from the Egyptian deal that a follow-on purchase for 36 more Rafales for the IAF will not cost anywhere near USD 8.5 billion but more in the USD 4.5-5 billion range. That's thanks to the existing expenditure on infrastructure, training, MRO, India Specific Enhancements, etc.

Question is when will the IAF go to the GoI and ask for 2 more squadrons of the Rafale since the MRFA contest is a mirage which will never ever be a reality?

Earlier they had said that the IAF would wait till all 36 Rafales were inducted before taking up the case for 2 more squadrons of Rafales..that would mean sometime next year we may see the case for 2 more squadrons being taken to the MoD.
The 18 first are already delivered. The 18 others in nearly one year.
It's time to order !
Don't wait Switzerland and FInland taking the places on the assembly line schedule :tongue2:
 

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The 18 first are already delivered. The 18 others in nearly one year.
It's time to order !
Don't wait Switzerland and FInland taking the places on the assembly line schedule :tongue2:
For Dassault it's the kind of headache they would be thrilled to have..too many orders and having to scale up production to meet the need. The 30 unit Egyptian order, following the 6 new Rafale Greek order and the replacement 12 unit order from the French AF means the order backlog is healthy at 48 Rafales after the Indian Rafales are all built. About Finland and Switzerland, I won't under-estimate the power of US diplomacy swinging those deals in their favor.

Dassault has already built 29 Rafales for India. Only 7 are yet to be flown.

But given the Covid-19 crisis in India, I doubt there will be any new orders this year. The NDA govt's image has taken a beating with the second wave and all defence procurements will likely take a back seat over spending on healthcare and infra.
 

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