We've been making most of the Su-30 MKI indigenously, and now the Tejas MK1. Please find another more sane argument.
Su30 MKI has been made fully only since Fy15. Till then India used to import engine. Duh!
The MiG 21 Bison was far shittier than the Tejas yet it was used on the 27th. No AF will induct 123 birds and then completely ignore them, especially when the Mk1 and Mk1A are probably the most modern fighetrs iwth the IAF right now.
In its time, MiG21 was much betetr. Now, it is just being continued and not given too much importance. Tejas MK1A is not yet developed. Many electronic capability is being developed.
It is only physically similar to the LCA. It has new CLAW, and will share avionics and other equipment with AMCA. So IRST, Radar, and net centric capabilities are definitely new, and much more massive than the F/A-18C/D to F/A-18E/F. ADA has already stated this.
Not new but upgraded ones. Only some items are new like AESA and few other avionics. The problem we have is with the physical design itself. The Tejas is too small and hence undesirable
Right but fitting the Kaveri on the mk1A is something they can definitely do. It will improve performance over the mk1. This is your own argument. Yet you claim that Tejas is somehow some irrelevant plan
Tejas is irrelevant plane and that is why we don't put much efforts. It should be cmmon sense. The 3.5ton payload is considered as too measly and only good for air superiority/ interception role. It is considered as being too light to carry ground bombings. After 2 drop tanks and 2 AAM, the remaining payload weight is 1.5ton which is too less. hence the physical design of Tejas MK1 itself is undesirable. Regardless of what electronics you put, it will still be undesirable
Exactly. Rafale is a proven design. We won't modify it by fitting parts from other designs which aren't proven, like Kaveri, Uttam and other things.
The design is proven. So, when Kaveri and UTTAM are proven, then it will work. The main problem here is about physical design of airframe of Tejas Mk1 is faulty and hence we get Rafale's airframe design from France. Tejas Mk1 is irrelevant plane and is only used to maintain assembly line expertise and to ensure the workers are well tarined.
Right. HAL doesn't have to answer. Ask how the US denies F-22 sales? They say no. Nobody offers planes like this and then says "we don't have capability to sell". Do you realise how insane you sound? That means we just wasted the RMAF's time. If we said no straight away, they wouldn't waste their time evaluating Tejas. There's also the money wasted in flying Tejas there and maintaining it.
We can't be like USA as we have only 1 plane LCA. USA has many planes and does offer F15, F16 to others. They only refuse certain models. So, it is different
I have already told you that those are the target specifications. The fact is Kaveri never achieved 81 KN thrust and was shut down after achieving 72 KN thrust in 2012.
This has been confirmed by multiple media reports, for example, this one.
https://www.business-standard.com/a...uristic-unmanned-aircraft-112122602012_1.html
You are simply parroting DRDO website which mentions the target specifications of the Kaveri engine, not the actual thrust or weight achieved. I am asking you to provide me a source which says 81 KN of thrust and 1000 kg of weight has actually been achieved.
I don't understand why you are beating around the bush here.
It should be common sense that if dry variant is working, the engine is working well. the wet variant is the after burner and does not involve much of the complex parts like hot turbines etc. All these parts rests in the dry core. So, if that is working, it mean engine is working.
Also, I have said befoe, DRDO expected specification was 78kn which they updated recently. I have been checking the website and I know this well. The TWR of 7.8 and 81kN should be enough to get the weight. It is simple mathematics.
which item can you clarify,how drdo made things are upgraded hal things.
MK1A is esentially an upgrade over MK1. It has several new things like EW, SPJ, AESA etc over MK1. These are made by DRDO in various departments like LRDE, DARE etc. HAL upgrades some parts liek avionics in HAL-SAMTEL JV etc.
Overall, MWF will have different physical design and some additional technoloy but it will mostly draw from MK1A.
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/systems/f414.htm
This is another linked which confirms what was posted on Bharat Rakshak.
GE engine are modular so parts are exchangeable . Western engine have longer service lives and less maintenance requirements as compared to Russian . It is well established. So what are you disbelieving , component price?? Remember 1000+ f414 are already out there bringing down component price sharply.
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The price of F414 is politically decided, not a function of cost. Even if it costs USA just $1000 to make it, it will still price it high as it is monopoly scenario.
Next, I agree tat F414 is modular but the parts must still be made in USA, not India. So, modularity does not help in indigenisation in any way. The USA control is the problem and hence F414 is unacceptable.