Know Your 'Rafale'

[Kshithij]

Be objective.....................

That is not real maneuverability. Dancing while descending is not meaningful. I am speaking of change in direction using engine power, not using gravitation power. Even I can jump from a plane in skydiving and do much faster stunts than these planes. Does that make me more maneuverable than F35?:bounce:

 

[BON PLAN]

http://www.af.mil/News/Article-Disp...ters-wrap-up-weapons-delivery-accuracy-tests/

To deliver accurately weapons doesn't make this flying brick more agile....

 

[asianobserve]

more than 10 years after first flight of the first serial one, still limited to 7G. Than means it will be limited all its life long to that limit.
Flight enveloppe is the first thing open on a fighter, as on a liner.

You just keep on repeating the same tired old line. The F-35 will be allowed 9g under 3f software.

Relax, it takes time to make the second best fighter in the world.

 

[asianobserve]

That is not real maneuverability. Dancing while descending is not meaningful. I am speaking of change in direction using engine power, not using gravitation power. Even I can jump from a plane in skydiving and do much faster stunts than these planes. Does that make me more maneuverable than F35?:bounce:

That's a pedal turn for you:


Which is an F-22 maneuver:


BTW,F-22 is TVC-equipped.

 

[asianobserve]

All are prepared for aero show. They all take off with just the amount of fuel needed and that's all.
But one is too badly shaped and too heavy, despite a huge engine.

Still cannot admit that Rafale looks and moves too old beside the F-35? Get over it man!

 

[BON PLAN]

Still cannot admit that Rafale looks and moves too old beside the F-35? Get over it man!

Just watch. It's not so difficult. But you seem blind.

 

[BON PLAN]

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/f-14-tomcat-the-navy-fighter-it-wishes-it-could-bring-back-24045

The report notes that both the Super Hornet and the F-35C are severely challenged by new enemy fifth-generation fighter aircraft such as the Russian-built T50 and Chengdu J-20. Indeed, certain current adversary aircraft like the Russian Su-30SM, Su 35 and the J11 and J15 pose a serious threat to the Super Hornet fleet. It’s a view that shared by many industry officials, U.S. Navy, U.S. Air Force and even U.S. Marine Corps aviators. “Both F/A-18E/Fs and F-35Cs will face significant deficiencies against supercruising, long-range, high-altitude, stealthy, large missile capacity adversary aircraft, such as the T50, J20 ,” the authors note. “These aircraft will be capable of effectively engaging current and projected U.S. carrier aircraft and penetrating defenses to engage high value units, such as AEW aircraft, ASW aircraft, and tankers. Already, the F/A-18E/F faces a severe speed disadvantage against Chinese J-11 aircraft, which can fire longer range missiles at a higher kinematic advantage outside of the range of US AIM120 missiles”

Nor does the F-35C—which suffers from severely reduced acceleration compared to even the less than stellar performance of other JSF variants—help matters. “Similarly, the F-35C is optimized as an attack fighter, resulting in a medium-altitude flight profile, and its current ability to only carry two AIM- 120 missiles internally limits its capability under complex electromagnetic conditions,” the authors wrote. “As an interim measure, the Navy and Air Force should significantly accelerate the F-35C’s Block 5 upgrade to enable the aircraft to carry six AIM-120 missiles internally.”

=> No FOC so far and already outdated....

 

[gadeshi]

You need to remove "BS" from your English vocabulary for it applies more to you than other people you want to shame... :bs:



https://www.defenseindustrydaily.co...ds-family-of-stealthy-cruise-missiles-014343/

So BS is your default behaviour according to your own links

F-35 cannot care standoff weapons internally.
JASSM will create a huge impact on RCS growth no matter how stealthy it is because its pylon on which it hangs will create a huge reflection spike.

That was my point but not for JASSM-ER not to be integrated...
If you'll use it externally it will be as useless as attached to An-2 against an adequate enemy!

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[gadeshi]

Only the Russian MOD comes up with fabricated videos and images.

Arguments depleted?

USAF haven't fabricated anything - that's because we all can see F-35s shitty performance as it is, without haircut and makeup

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[Kshithij]

That's a pedal turn for you:


Which is an F-22 maneuver:


BTW,F-22 is TVC-equipped.

I didn't question F22. I have seen F22 and it is better than F35 in maneuverability. F35 is like a retarded brother of F22 which sucks at everything.

As I said, turning while descending is not meaningful. I want proper turning as a maneuver to display minimum turning radius which is a useful maneuver in case f evading BVR missiles. I can't care less about your pedal turns or cobra maneuvers. Don't bring F22 here. The discussion is only of F35

 

[gadeshi]

Just watch. It's not so difficult. But you seem blind.

And a han-stupid

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[gadeshi]

You're a funny guy. Mig-29 is not a poor aircraft in terms of maneuvering. It's was very nimble aircraft and fast, and Mig-35 shares these qualities.

As is clearly visible on your vids F-35 cannot make a proper high G 180degs turn without being fall into screw maneuver. Cannot at all!!!

As for MiG-29M/35: it has significantly greater empty and takeoff weights than 9-12/9-13 ones but it is underpowered with 2 RD-33MKs.
And even though it beats F-35 on G-turn cause it can make it but F-35 cannot

And now find and see the old Su-35 (Su-27M/37 T-10M-7) flight and maneuvers being loaded with 4 R-27ER (250kg each) + 4 R-77E (150kg each) and 4 R-73RMD-2 (95 kg each)

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[undeadmyrmidon]

To deliver accurately weapons doesn't make this flying brick more agile....

There are videos showing this 'brick' flying in an agile manner. So please get your eyes checked.

 

[undeadmyrmidon]

As is clearly visible on your vids F-35 cannot make a proper high G 180degs turn without being fall into screw maneuver. Cannot at all!!!

As for MiG-29M/35: it has significantly greater empty and takeoff weights than 9-12/9-13 ones but it is underpowered with 2 RD-33MKs.
And even though it beats F-35 on G-turn cause it can make it but F-35 cannot

And now find and see the old Su-35 (Su-27M/37 T-10M-7) flight and maneuvers being loaded with 4 R-27ER (250kg each) + 4 R-77E (150kg each) and 4 R-73RMD-2 (95 kg each)

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Mig 29 is almost obsolete. F 35 is the future. BTW pretty sure F 35 can whoop Mig 29 in a WVR fight going by it's slow maneuvering characteristics. T/W ratio is 1.16 in F 35 in combat loading and slow speed stall recovery is also great with a much high AoA than Mig 29.

Go shill elsewhere.

 

[Kshithij]

Mig 29 is almost obsolete. F 35 is the future. BTW pretty sure F 35 can whoop Mig 29 in a WVR fight going by it's slow maneuvering characteristics. T/W ratio is 1.16 in F 35 in combat loading and slow speed stall recovery is also great with a much high AoA than Mig 29.

Go shill elsewhere.

MiG29 is not a good comparison to F35. There are several deficiency. Also, it is an old plane, over 25 year old.

But, F35 is very bad for 21st century plane. Agile flight is not enough. Maneuverability is important. Also, F35 has no supercruise. Even agility is in question here. However, I am not much concerned about supercruie as that guzzles fuel due t high drag. But maneuverability is not compromisable

 

[gadeshi]

There are videos showing this 'brick' flying in an agile manner. So please get your eyes checked.

Jerking left and right on 90degs with clearly visible flow breaks on wings is not very agile manner

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[gadeshi]

Mig 29 is almost obsolete. F 35 is the future. BTW pretty sure F 35 can whoop Mig 29 in a WVR fight going by it's slow maneuvering characteristics. T/W ratio is 1.16 in F 35 in combat loading and slow speed stall recovery is also great with a much high AoA than Mig 29.

Go shill elsewhere.

F-35 SUPPOSED to be the future - for neocolinial wars against retarded, sanctions-depowered enemies.
But now is the time yankies haven't counted for: there is a desperate need to withstand adequate foes like Russia and China which have adequate (and superior) weapons and war systems...

F-35 was created to drain NATO countries on money but the right time for this move is gone forever

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[Flame Thrower]

Be objective.....................

Stop believing in foolish videos.

The video you posted is of 13 sec.

Flight turning starts at 3 sec and F-35 finishes reversal by 05 sec

I donno much about F 35, but I am not a fool to believe F 35 could finish reversal in 2/3 sec. No existing fighter can do that. Show camera and editing trics to someone else.

 

[Flame Thrower]

Mig 29 is almost obsolete. F 35 is the future. BTW pretty sure F 35 can whoop Mig 29 in a WVR fight going by it's slow maneuvering characteristics. T/W ratio is 1.16 in F 35 in combat loading and slow speed stall recovery is also great with a much high AoA than Mig 29.

Go shill elsewhere.

Can you give rough load estimates for f 35 to achieve 1.12 TWR for F 35.

MiG 29 is one of the high energy fighters(but a short legged one). In propper hands it is a nightmare. R73(R 74 is coming) with HMS is a force to recon with.

If it comes to WWR, I'd pick mig 29 on any day.

 

[asianobserve]

So BS is your default behaviour according to your own links

F-35 cannot care standoff weapons internally.
JASSM will create a huge impact on RCS growth no matter how stealthy it is because its pylon on which it hangs will create a huge reflection spike.

That was my point but not for JASSM-ER not to be integrated...
If you'll use it externally it will be as useless as attached to An-2 against an adequate enemy!

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I already posted the article from Defense Industry Daily and yet you continue to live in your alternate World. Well you're exhibiting the classic propaganda trap, you start believing your own lies after so many times of repeating it to others...