Know Your 'Rafale'

[asianobserve]

We've seen how it is "capable" during USAF high AOA trials - with static camera and wide wiewport, made by USAF (RU MOD is not involved :bplease ).
So you can try to convince us into something else

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Only the Russian MOD comes up with fabricated videos and images.

 

[Kshithij]

You need to remove "BS" from your English vocabulary for it applies more to you than other people you want to shame... :bs:



https://www.defenseindustrydaily.co...ds-family-of-stealthy-cruise-missiles-014343/

It is modified JASSM, not current one. JASSM is being modified in size and range for this purpose. Current one is not possible to be fit in. So as of now, F35 is just useful for PGM

 

[asianobserve]

Our friend @asianobserve ran out of real arguments when he needed to use videos of air shows to prove a point, or justifying the lack of performance by saying, there is no "significant" TWR advantage, which still means that there is an advantage. So we can stop talking about flight performance since there is no basis for the F35 to begin with.

Videos are a good glimpse of the maneuvering capabilities of the F-35 and other planes. As long as the videos are authentic then I do not see why it can't be a basis for validation.

The videos coming out of F-35 demos are simply astonishing. I know that air demos are done only to please the crowd but c'mon, the F-35 is as graceful as you can get in the air without TVC.

 

[Kshithij]

Videos are a good glimpse of the maneuvering capabilities of the F-35 and other planes. As long as the videos are authentic then I do not see why it can't be a basis for validation.

The videos coming out of F-35 demos are simply astonishing. I know that air demos are done only to please the crowd but c'mon, the F-35 is as graceful as you can get in the air without TVC.

Give me one video where the F35 has made a complete turn to demonstrate minimum turning radius

 

[Sancho]

Videos are a good glimpse of the maneuvering capabilities of the F-35 and other planes. As long as the videos are authentic then I do not see why it can't be a basis for validation.

No they are not, because the fighters are preped for these displays with limited fuel and weights, which has nothing to do with their war time performance. They are very nice for aviation enthusiasts, but that's it.
Even LCA can do beautiful flight displays on air shows or parades, but that doesn't make it's flight performance any closer to the operational requirements either.

 

[asianobserve]

It is modified JASSM, not current one. JASSM is being modified in size and range for this purpose. Current one is not possible to be fit in. So as of now, F35 is just useful for PGM

AGM-58A and AGM-58B have the same body. They differ only in the engine used, AGM-58A uses turbojet while AGM-58B otherwise known as JASSM-ER uses turbofan to achieve as much as three times the range of the A.

Besides, any observant person will easily note that the B is extended range. And normally you extend the range of a missile by either adding fuel (enlarging the body), reducing the payload or as in this case changing into a more efficient engine. In all these scenarios, the resulting ER or extended range missile is not going to have a smaller body than the last non-ER one.

 

[Kshithij]

AGM-58A and AGM-58B have the same body. They differ only in the engine used, AGM-58A uses turbojet while AGM-58B otherwise known as JASSM-ER uses turbofan to achieve as much as three times the range of the A.

No, even that is modified to fit in the internal bay of F35. This is normal JASSM you are speaking of, not of the F35 modified one. Otherwise there is no reason to say that JASSM will be fit into F35 in the future. Could have been fit already

 

[asianobserve]

No they are not, because the fighters are preped for these displays with limited fuel and weights, which has nothing to do with their war time performance. They are very nice for aviation enthusiasts, but that's it.
Even LCA can do beautiful flight displays on air shows or parades, but that doesn't make it's flight performance any closer to the operational requirements either.

Rafales and ER's are also prepared for airshows. What's the big deal?

But based on the available materials on the demos of Rafale, they are not as nimble as the F-35. The only jets that on demos that have been more nimble than the F-35 so far are TVC-equipped ones, both Russian and American.

 

[asianobserve]

No, even that is modified to fit in the internal bay of F35. This is normal JASSM you are speaking of, not of the F35 modified one. Otherwise there is no reason to say that JASSM will be fit into F35 in the future. Could have been fit already

It just not about fitting inside the weapons bay. A lot of missiles and bombs from different countries can fit inside the weapons bay of the F-35 but only very few can actually be carried at the moment. Why? There is a need for integration, for software changes, that kind of thing.

 

[asianobserve]

Give me one video where the F35 has made a complete turn to demonstrate minimum turning radius

What do you mean, something like these?


And the F-35A is still limited to fly up to 7Gs only pending introduction of its 3f software. Impressive huh?

 

[asianobserve]

BTW, that's a clean Mig-35. Certainly when a Mig-35 or Rafale go into combat they will not be clean as they will have their long range and short range missiles, bombs, external fuel tanks, sensors, etc. hanging under their wings and fuselage while F-35 will only have 2 small short range AIM-9x under its wings...

 

[Kshithij]

What do you mean, something like these?


And the F-35A is still limited to fly up to 7Gs only pending introduction of its 3f software. Impressive huh?

MiG35 is like MiG29 which is a short take off plane. It was very poor and hence Russia didn't produce anything more than a few prototypes. Don't compare failed projects or discontinued ones with F35. Russia accepted the reality and simply discarded MiG35. Now, Russia is focused on Su35 and Su57(T50/Pak-Fa)

 

[Kshithij]

Here is Su35 maneuver for you:
Watch it and compare with F35. Son't compare junked planes like MiG35

 

[asianobserve]

MiG35 is like MiG29 which is a short take off plane. It was very poor and hence Russia didn't produce anything more than a few prototypes. Don't compare failed projects or discontinued ones with F35. Russia accepted the reality and simply discarded MiG35. Now, Russia is focused on Su35 and Su57(T50/Pak-Fa)

You're a funny guy. Mig-29 is not a poor aircraft in terms of maneuvering. It's was very nimble aircraft and fast, and Mig-35 shares these qualities.

 

[asianobserve]

Here is Su35 maneuver for you:
Watch it and compare with F35. Son't compare junked planes like MiG35

I posted my reply to your post in the F-35 thread if you're interested.

 

[BON PLAN]

Looks like France needs more these kind of proposed training, more on simulators, since France can hardly afford to make 50% of its military planes in flying condition...

It's only a question of money. We are prewerring more plane but a lower support than the contrary, to be ready in case of (easier to buit spares than complete planes=.

Our fleet send in UAE has a very high disponibility. Same on our carrier.
It's not without reason DA give a 75% fleet disponibility to India.

 

[BON PLAN]

Rafales and ER's are also prepared for airshows. What's the big deal?

But based on the available materials on the demos of Rafale, they are not as nimble as the F-35. The only jets that on demos that have been more nimble than the F-35 so far are TVC-equipped ones, both Russian and American.

All are prepared for aero show. They all take off with just the amount of fuel needed and that's all.
But one is too badly shaped and too heavy, despite a huge engine.

 

[BON PLAN]

What do you mean, something like these?


And the F-35A is still limited to fly up to 7Gs only pending introduction of its 3f software. Impressive huh?

more than 10 years after first flight of the first serial one, still limited to 7G. Than means it will be limited all its life long to that limit.
Flight enveloppe is the first thing open on a fighter, as on a liner.

 

[undeadmyrmidon]

Here is Su35 maneuver for you:
Watch it and compare with F35. Son't compare junked planes like MiG35

Be objective.....................

 

[undeadmyrmidon]

more than 10 years after first flight of the first serial one, still limited to 7G. Than means it will be limited all its life long to that limit.
Flight enveloppe is the first thing open on a fighter, as on a liner.

http://www.af.mil/News/Article-Disp...ters-wrap-up-weapons-delivery-accuracy-tests/