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What is the problem with the Derby missile ? What is the current need of the defense forces ?
It's range is too less. It is not a problem as such because it was designed for small fighters like the F-16. It is a 100Kg missile as compared to R-77s 175Kgs. Derby, Mica and also R-Darter, which is supposedly being used in Pakistan by the name of H-2/H-4, are in a similar class as compared to heavier Russian and American missiles.

Such missiles cannot use large aircraft's full capabilities. For eg: The MKI can track a F-16 at, say, 150Km. A 60Km missile is of little use in such a case. A 80Km R-77 or the 130Km R-27 is much more useful. It allows larger aircraft to launch their missiles a few seconds sooner than smaller aircraft.

Current need for the IAF on large platforms are missiles in excess of 100Km and up to 400Km. The Astra Mk2(110 or 140Km depending on reports), RVV-SD(110Km from a recent report I read), RVV-BD or Novator K-100(200km to 400Km, depending on additional booster), Meteor(100Km+) are options for the top end fighters. The smaller aircraft like LCA and Mirage-2000 can always use the smaller missiles. So, the requirement is there for all types of missiles.

I would say Astra Mk2 is in the same class as the RVV-SD or perhaps even the Chinese PL-12. The PL-12's export variant is called SD-10. There is a chance the SD-10 is a smaller version of the PL-12 or simply a different name with some major or minor electronics changes while retaining similar capabilities.
 

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I dunno where you got the 85% from??? Never been mentioned by the press or officials. The only 85% I know is HAL's production share.
HAL will achieve 85% technology absorption by the end.

http://articles.economictimes.india...13010_1_rafale-mmrca-project-french-air-force

Nobody has Sonia in anybody's pocket. She has everybody in her's instead. Dassault won because it was the cheaper and better of the two. No need to say politics was involved because there wasn't any.
Thanks for the insight. I don't really keep up with Swammy's jealousy.
 

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No going back on Dassault deal: Antony

New Delhi, Feb 17: India has virtually ruled out a rethink on its decision in the multi-billion dollar combat aircraft deal saying it has already started negotiating the contract with French firm Dassault Aviation in this regard.[...]"Already the Contract Negotiations Committee (CNC) has started for the procurement of Rafale," Defence Minister, Mr A.K. Antony, said here.The Minister was asked to comment on the British Prime Minister Mr David Cameron's statement that he would ask India to rethink its decision on the deal and buy the Eurofighter Typhoon.The CNC is formed by the Ministry to negotiate the final price of the equipment offered by the vendors.Mr Antony warned the officials and vendors involved in the process against indulging in any wrongdoing saying "everybody should be careful.... Nobody can corrupt India system. We will not tolerate this."He said the contract negotiations take place for over six months and after that the deal will have to pass through eight stages."It will have to pass through scrutiny in eight stages.After CNC, it will come to Defence Ministry. In Ministry also, there will be minimum four stages of scrutiny by Defence Finance. Then it will go to independent monitors appointed by the CVC and then go to the National Security Council Secretariat and Finance Ministry," Mr Antony said.


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About Dassault/Reliance MOU:

[...]The partnership will also provide the French firm with a substantial offsets route into India — if it wins the MMRCA contract later this year, it commits to diverting $9-10 billion back into Indian industry. Industry watchers suggest that while RIL is a relatively new entrant into the defence sphere, the sheer size of the company and its backing will provide it with great flexibility and absorptive power for technology coming in from abroad.[...]
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Dassault Awarded India's EDST as 'Best VAR-2011'

BANGALORE, India, Feb 15, 2012 - EDS Technologies, India's largest PLM and Real Time Visual Simulation solutions provider in India and Dassault Systemes, the world leader in 3D have been working very closely and providing tailored, cost-effective, and scalable Product Life Cycle Management solutions to customers in a variety of industries across the country.EDS Technologies team has awarded "BEST VAR for the year 2011" at the Dassault Systemes sale

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Brazil, UAE Might Follow India's Choice of Rafale; Debate Over Swiss Choice Continues
The French Rafale is reportedly well placed to triumph in the long-running fighter jet contest in Brazil, and also to secure the elusive order from the UAE, following the type's success in India. Speaking at the Singapore Airshow, Indian air force commander ACM N.A.K. Browne told AIN that his country would not accept a revised bid from the losing Eurofighter camp for the 126-aircraft MMRCA requirement. British politicians had earlier suggested this possibility, but it emerged that the Dassault Rafale was the clear winner on acquisition and life-cycle costs. Negotiations to conclude a firm contract will start on March 5, Browne said.
Dassault's prospects for securing an order from Brazil for at least 36 Rafales brightened when ******* reported from São Paolo that President Dilma Rousseff favors the French warplane, especially after India's choice. Moreover, the Brazilians have requested access to India's selection procedures for the MMRCA, which will be granted, Browne confirmed.

French media outlet La Tribune reported that the long-awaited sale of 60 Rafales to the UAE might soon be concluded, despite last November's dramatic declaration by the Emiratis at the Dubai Air Show that the price was not right. La Tribune said that Dassault chief Charles Edelstenne returned to Abu Dhabi some days after the show to repair relations. There was a positive outcome, and now French President Nicolas Sarkozy is planning to visit the UAE at the end of March to seal the deal, La Tribune continued.

In Switzerland, Defense Minister Ueli Maurer called a press conference to counter the leak of the Swiss Air Force (SAF) technical evaluation for the new fighter aircraft. This showed the Rafale as the clear winner, the Eurofighter second and the Saab Gripen last. But the Swiss government chose the Gripen package worth $3.4 billion, including 22 jets, as the most cost-effective solution. The evaluation covered flight tests of the three aircraft in Switzerland in the second half of 2008, as well as the SAF's verdict on enhancements promised but not yet available on the three contenders.

Maurer reaffirmed the choice of the Gripen, insisting that all three contenders had met the technical requirement. The Swedish warplane was the most affordable replacement for Switzerland's F-5Es, given the pressures on the country's defense equipment budget, he said.
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Does anyone know what was the score of Rafeal against Eurofighter in IAF test ?
 

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Dear Editor:
RAFALE OPTION – A STRATEGIC BLUNDER


Indian Air Force appears quite contented with the Ministry of Defense upholding their recommendation to select "Rafale - the French air superiority Fighter" due to its technical edge and low cost among Gen 4+ category. None is contesting the decision, perhaps, due to the "Holy Cow" status and ignorance. Thus, the need for reviewing the decision in a holistic and pragmatic manner is more than ever before. After all, technological issues constitute only one part. Others like strategic political, diplomatic and economic fallout need deliberate consideration. Is 'Rafale' option a strategic blunder?

Surely, modernization must take into consideration key variables like the international and regional security environment to include likelihood of war in a short term context, timeliness of induction of systems in the face of their rapid obsolescence, lower cost per unit x more numbers vs higher costs x kill ratio capability x lesser numbers and what makes an effective air superiority fighter in technology age battlefield environment and efficacy of systems on board reinforced by closely allied systems as force escalators. Add to them, technology transfer, assembly initially followed by manufacturing. No longer, one should expect life-cycle of systems to last over 30-40 years.

When viewed holistically from the above dimensions, the 'Rafale" deal seems to be seriously flawed. Ipso facto, UK, Germany and other EU collaborators are quite upset over rejection of 'Eurofighter' on both technical and low cost count. Even the USA is peeved over the rejection of their F-16 and F-18 upgrades. Its political, diplomatic and economic fallout is likely to be quite significant. In retrospect, the Western allies may refrain extending support for UN Security Council permanent status to India and support Pakistan's chorus as "Kashmir is the core issue" in sub regional context. Add to them, loss of economic aid, viewed as 'peanuts' by Pranab Mukerjee, is not limited to UK only but extends to other collaborators of the 'Eurofighter", who may still have a 'say' in the World Bank and IMF forums. The 'Eurofighter' could also be offered to Pakistan and others interested in gaining a security edge in the region. In retrospect, Pranab Mukerjee's jingoism and rhetoric appears unwarranted.

Let me start by review of the most fundamental issue – Is war inevitable in a short term context in the regional environment? The simple answer is "NO" considering the nuclear deterrence capability in South Asia. In such a context, the decision to induct new systems could have been easily delayed by 2-3 years. After all, the Sukhoi T-50 – a 5th generation air superiority fighter - is a joint collaboration between Russia and India, and has cost the two countries an estimated $ 6bn to develop with India shouldering about 35% of the cost. It is intended to match the U.S. F-22 raptor. The fighter made its first appearance at the MAKS 2011 air show outside Moscow, and is expected to be mass produced by 2014/2015. Having waited so long, Air Force could have surely waited for induction of T-50s by 2015.

Even the timeliness of induction of state-of-the art system needs pragmatic consideration. Rafale is 4 plus generation system of 1990s vintage. The 5th Generation systems are already in service in US Air Force. Considering that China has already demonstrated prototype of 5th Generation system, the choice of 'Rafale" to be the mainstay of Indian Air Force for 30-40 years is patently wrong. At best, 'Rafale' may be a short term substitute and mothballed sooner than later after induction of T-50 commencing after 2015.

Lower costs and greater numbers, per se, would have made 'good sense' for those accustomed to "Gen 3 – Conventional war" scenarios and 3:1 superiority in numbers. Such wars are unlikely to be waged in South Asian security environment out of fear of "escalation to nuclear war status". Pragmatically viewed, the decision should favor those systems with higher battlefield effectiveness (Kill ratio capability comparison). It is absurd to induct large number of fighters with low technology with less chance of survivability and effectiveness as opposed high-tech effectiveness and survivability. Indian Air Force should overcome their obsession of maintaining 45 squadron sized force considering technical superiority of "Gen 5" systems including kill ratio capability, their astronomical costs and the likelihood of breakout of wars in a regional context. For example, inducting 30 or even less systems with kill ratio of 10 :1 at US $ 60 million each is far more superior than inducting 120 systems with kill ratio of 1:1 systems at US $20 million. Final costs depend on negotiations and options: €50m for each Rafale; €62m for each Eurofighter; US$ 152m for each F-22A; US$ 45m-60m each for F-35 variants.

Is 'Rafale' a combat tested and proved air superiority fighter? No. Combat between modern jet fighters has been very rare. In combat involving the US and its military allies, factors extraneous to the quality of the individual aircraft (such as weight of numbers, ability to train pilots properly, presence of radar systems etc) have typically overwhelmingly favoured them, making a realistic assessment difficult. Moreover, this review does not cover fighter meant for close ground support role.

What is the latest on indigenous LCA? India claims to be an emerging power and yet our R & D is not delivering results. How long will Indian armed forces depend on induction of systems from external sources and their reliability of supply in case of outbreak of war. Add to them, the appearance of 'reusable Drones – pilotless aircraft' - remotely controlled in surveillance and ground attack roles tested and proven in the battlefield of Afghanistan-Pakistan as an alternative option.

Most important for the general public to note is that an attempt to compare air superiority fighters, that is, fighting other fighter aircraft, is generally a harder task than shooting down aircraft which are not fighters. In general, because of the lack of reliable information about the fighters themselves, and the lack of actual combat between them, it is extremely hard to judge how they will perform in combat. As per Aviation experts, "Rafale" can only be compared with Eurofighter Typhoon manufactured in 2003, USA/UK: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter in 2008; Chinese FC-1 / JF-17 in 2006 and J-10.

Furthermore, the effectiveness of air superiority fighters is dependent on high speed and maneuverability, stealth capability, avionics, on board sensors and weapon systems. High speed and maneuverability - engine power - allows a pilot to choose to disengage an opponent or homing missiles by simply out maneuvering them. A high-powered fighter is also more likely to maintain a crucial overall energy advantage over its opponent thought of as airspeed plus altitude. The Typhoon, the Rafale, and particularly the F-22 have a considerable performance advantage over other craft in that they have the ability to travel at supersonic speeds without the use of afterburners, an ability known as supercruise.

However, some sources dispute the value of maneuverability of fighters in the contemporary and near future environment, given the expected abilities of medium-range air-to-air missiles to out-turn, outrun, and out-accelerate any manned aircraft, and the ability of new short-range missiles (with helmet sights) to be launched at a very wide range of angles and with a very high probability of hits. The extreme version of this view states that any aircraft will do, as long as it can carry the missiles and radar.

Next, the most critical factor is the 'stealth' capability, which offers a big advantage over one that is more easily detected because the "stealthy" plane should be able to shoot first (or, for that matter, leave without being detected). Actual figures of the stealthiness of the various aircraft are unsurprisingly highly classified. Recent American fighter aircraft development has focused on stealth, and the recently deployed F-22 is the first fighter designed from the ground up for stealth. However, the stealthiness of the F-22 from angles other than head-on is not clear. The in-development F-35 is also regarded as stealthy, but some reports claim it is significantly less so than the F-22, particularly from the rear. The Rafale and Typhoon are not ground-up stealth designs, but since the disclosure of the F-22 and earlier stealthy bomber designs they have undergone substantial detail refinement to reduce their radar cross section (RCS).

There are some reports that the Rafale's avionics, the Thales Spectra, includes "stealthy" radar jamming technology, a radar cancellation systems analogous to the acoustic noise suppression systems on the De Havilland Canada Dash. Conventional jammers make locating an aircraft more difficult, but their operation is itself detectable; the French system is hypothesised to interfere with detection without revealing that jamming is in operation. In effect, such a system could potentially offer stealth advantages similar in effect to, but likely less effective than, the F-22 and JSF. However, it is unclear how effective the system is, or even whether it is fully operational yet.

There are claims that the Russians are working on "plasma stealth". Obviously, such techniques might well remove some of the current advantage of the F-22 and JSF, but American defence research also continues unabated.

Yet another significant issue to consider is the 'Avionics'. A fundamental part of a fighter's avionics is its radar. In general, Western avionics are viewed as by far the most technologically sophisticated. This is reportedly regarded as highly secret technology, and it is unlikely to be exported. The F-22 and F-35 have a unified avionics design, with most processing performed in a central aircraft computer and with very high-speed interfaces to individual components. The Rafale and Eurofighter have slower main computers and internal data networks. Neither the Rafale (PESA RBE2) or Eurofighter have such an advanced radar (the Eurofighter is equipped with the Euroradar CAPTOR), but a next-generation radar system, the AMSAR, is under development, and has a design similar to the American radars. Does the French offer promise radar upgradation?

All fighters are generally equipped with a passive device that "listens" for radars targeted at them. The F-22 and F-35's radar is designed to be difficult to detect, while maintaining superior ability to find other aircraft to conventional designs. Another factor to consider is the sophistication of other sensors, such as passive infra-red and passive radar detectors, as well as radar jamming capabilities. By In contrast, little is known about the avionics of the new Indian and Chinese planes. It is generally assumed that they are well behind Western standards. However, reports from the recent Indian-American exercise suggest that India has begun to develop their own expertise in the area.

The focus on dog fighting capabilities determining the likely outcome of air-to-air combat is archaic, particularly for long-range engagements. Perhaps the most obvious items to consider are the aircraft's air-to-air missile systems. The development of short-range missiles that can fire at targets not directly in front of a plane seems to have radically changed the nature of short-range combat, making the performance of the missile, not the aircraft, the key factor. Missile systems are upgraded more often than the planes themselves. For instance, the British version is intended to be upgraded to replace the AMRAAM missiles for initial deployment with the MBDA Meteor with far greater range and much more manoeuverable at the limits of its range. Therefore, the Eurofighter pilot may be able to fire their missiles much earlier. Similarly, radar systems, and electronic countermeasures, can also be upgraded. Combat systems on exported planes usually are substantially inferior to the ones supplied to the manufacturer's home air force.

Systems not physically located within the aircraft are also force multipliers. Missile systems are upgraded more often than the planes themselves. Radar systems, such as AWACS planes, as well as shipboard and ground-based radars, can inform fighters of the location of opponents that they cannot detect with their own radars, and do this without the fighters having to use their own radars and thus give away their position. Even the availability of airborne refuelling can make a big difference to combat effectiveness by extending the distance and time fighters can spend in the air. Finally, the human factor cannot be ignored, as pilot ability and training is still believed to play a large part in the results.

As per data based on simulation available in 1990s, comparative study of modern fighters does not provide a clear insight due to the lack of information gathered on the 5th generation combat aircraft. From various reports, data available in simulated combat against the Su-35 include: F-22 Raptoor -10:1:1; Eurofighter – 4.5:1:1; Rafale C – 1:0:1. These results mean, for example, that in simulated combat, 4.5 Su-35s were shot down for every Typhoon lost. However, it is to be noted that Russia has longer range missiles currently in development. Missiles such as the KS-172 may be intended for large targets and not fighters, but their impact on a long range BVR engagement needs to be factored in.

Even the results of an exercise in 2004 pitting USAF F-15 Eagles against Indian Air Force Su-30MKI's, Mirage 2000's, MiG-29's and even the elderly MiG-21 have been widely publicised, with the Indians winning "90% of the mock combat missions". Another report claims that the kind of systemic factors mentioned were heavily weighted against the F-15s with the F-15's outnumbered 3-to-1. The rules of the exercise also allowed the Indian side the use of a simulated AWACS providing location information, and allowed them to use the full fire-and-forget active radar of simulated MBDA Mica and AA-12fire-and-forget mode. None of the F-15's were equipped with the latest AESA radars, which are fitted to some, but not all, of the USAF's F-15 fleet. The F-15's were not permitted to simulate the full range of the AMRAAM (restricted to 32 km when its full range to be over 100km), nor to use the AMRAAM's own radar systems to guide itself in.

When viewed holistically, choice of 'Rafale' appears to be a strategic blunder. There is disconnect between the MEA and MoD, besides the CCS which has approved the deal. Costs appear to have over-weighed their final choice and not strategic considerations. Time is ripe for visual media to feature debates with real experts in action. No need to run to either French or British or US.
Letters to the Editor sent to Indian Express - Rafale´s Choice - Strategic Blunder by Brig (Retd) G B Reddy
 

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In retrospect, the Western allies may refrain extending support for UN Security Council permanent status to India and support Pakistan's chorus as "Kashmir is the core issue" in sub regional context.
well india's support for permanent status to india would remain unaffected as germany also want permanent status & expansion of P5 & US was indifferent from the very beginning about permanent status of india & had termed resolving of kashmir dispute as pre terms & conditions before supporting india's permanent status which is highly unacceptable to us .

Regarding kashmir issue we already have 2 important members (russia & french) in P5 to veto any resolution passed against kashmir so no worry for india regarding kashmir .




Add to them, loss of economic aid, viewed as 'peanuts' by Pranab Mukerjee, is not limited to UK only but extends to other collaborators of the 'Eurofighter", who may still have a 'say' in the World Bank and IMF forums.
well out of 4 partners in EF2000 2 parners are already reeling under economic crisis instead of cutting aid to us they are dependent on
aid from countries like us (india & china) .So let them keep their aid
The 'Eurofighter' could also be offered to Pakistan and others interested in gaining a security edge in the region.
LLLLOllllz can pakistan afford such a platform which is already having many systems still in development & needs funding :lol: & yes if india had chosen ef 2000 then surely france would have sold it's avionics & mica missiles to pakistan for
JF 17

Having waited so long, Air Force could have surely waited for induction of T-50s by 2015.
well india' induction of FFGA would start atleast not before the year 2016-17 but not 2015 that for sure & if we wait for that time without inducting any new fighter atleast we would have 25-30 squadron of fighter left as many more MIG 21s would
have crashed by that time

The 5th Generation systems are already in service in US Air Force. Considering that China has already demonstrated prototype of 5th Generation system, the choice of 'Rafale" to be the mainstay of Indian Air Force for 30-40 years is patently wrong. At best, 'Rafale' may be a short term substitute and mothballed sooner than later after induction of T-50 commencing after 2015.
the author forgot china would have more 4th & 4.5 gen fighters like j10b SU30 J11b J15 compare to their 5th gen fighter which is still in development .
Rafale has some cutting edge 5th gen avionics & ECM which chinese still cannot make till 7th gen fighter :rofl:

Pragmatically viewed, the decision should favor those systems with higher battlefield effectiveness (Kill ratio capability comparison). It is absurd to induct large number of fighters with low technology with less chance of survivability and effectiveness as opposed high-tech effectiveness and survivability.
now how can author say rafale a low technology fighter with less chance of survivability which has some cutting edge avionics /ecm, high manuverabiltry & awesome proven firepower.God knows what was he thinking before writing such craps :lol:

Is 'Rafale' a combat tested and proved air superiority fighter? No
What !!!! NO i hope the author is not drunk before writing this S##t :rofl:
PLZ check the war in LIBYA to see how rafale proved it's worth in Air to ground warfare .Hey man plz stop making false claims
like this PLZZZz

well regarding air superiority fighter i agree it has not made any killls so do EF 2000 but rafale has a amazing capabilty of passive detection of target with the help of SPectra system & also to cue it's air to air missile without turning on it's own aesa radar for stealth reason only F22 's ALR 94 system is capable of that

ALso it has some advanced ECMs to dodge radar guided & IR guided missile & also it is going to have MEteor BVRAAM & long range IR guided missile MICA ir (60 KM)& on the top of it's close coupled canards give amazing manuverabilty


As per Aviation experts, "Rafale" can only be compared with Eurofighter Typhoon manufactured in 2003, USA/UK: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter in 2008; Chinese FC-1 / JF-17 in 2006 and J-10.
what the FCUK !!! rafale can be compared to JF17 which aviation expert told this just tell me his name , i would slap him for
this stupid comparision :rofl:

The Rafale and Eurofighter have slower main computers and internal data networks. Neither the Rafale (PESA RBE2) or Eurofighter have such an advanced radar (the Eurofighter is equipped with the Euroradar CAPTOR), but a next-generation radar system, the AMSAR, is under development, and has a design similar to the American radars. Does the French offer promise radar upgradation?
but atleast rafale has an operational RBE 2 AESA radar which typhoon doesnt have :lol:

When viewed holistically, choice of 'Rafale' appears to be a strategic blunder.
unfortunately this article itself is a blunder :rofl: & pathetic is it's writer

U should have read my thread for a second ,i bet u, u wouldnt have wrote this garbage article:lol:


http://defenceforumindia.com/indian-air-force/31082-dassault-rafale-wins-mmrca-85.html
 

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HAL will achieve 85% technology absorption by the end.
The T-90 production will also help OFB achieve 85% capability. But we know that there was near 100% tech transfer. I guess the only thing which weren't transferred was the Ballistic computer and Catherine.

The level of ToT transfer has not been revealed yet. HAL was talking about their production share. The rest 15% may be outsourced to Indian companies.

Thanks for the insight. I don't really keep up with Swammy's jealousy.
He is a writer. He has been right as well as been wrong. Sonia is too powerful for such petty deals to attract her attention when she probably deals in Hundreds of Billions of Indian tax payers money in other programs like health and education. It is not easy for politicians to steal defence money anyway. Too many good people scrutinize the deals both within the govt like CAG as well as within the military itself. Some have tried and are still burning.
 

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gr8 choice as per financial requirements,

i wish i cud pay more taxes to Govt. to but eurofighter ... !
 

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Most important for the general public to note is that an attempt to compare air superiority fighters, that is, fighting other fighter aircraft, is generally a harder task than shooting down aircraft which are not fighters. In general, because of the lack of reliable information about the fighters themselves, and the lack of actual combat between them, it is extremely hard to judge how they will perform in combat. As per Aviation experts, "Rafale" can only be compared with Eurofighter Typhoon manufactured in 2003, USA/UK: F-35 Joint Strike Fighter in 2008; Chinese FC-1 / JF-17 in 2006 and J-10.

Seriously? junk fighter of 2006???:tsk:
 

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When viewed holistically from the above dimensions, the 'Rafale" deal seems to be seriously flawed. Ipso facto, UK, Germany and other EU collaborators are quite upset over rejection of 'Eurofighter' on both technical and low cost count. Even the USA is peeved over the rejection of their F-16 and F-18 upgrades. Its political, diplomatic and economic fallout is likely to be quite significant. In retrospect, the Western allies may refrain extending support for UN Security Council permanent status to India and support Pakistan's chorus as "Kashmir is the core issue" in sub regional context. Add to them, loss of economic aid, viewed as 'peanuts' by Pranab Mukerjee, is not limited to UK only but extends to other collaborators of the 'Eurofighter", who may still have a 'say' in the World Bank and IMF forums. The 'Eurofighter' could also be offered to Pakistan and others interested in gaining a security edge in the region. In retrospect, Pranab Mukerjee's jingoism and rhetoric appears unwarranted.
Could not trawl through the article.

What is our strategic equation with Germany, UK and others?

Are we not buying enough from the US?

Must we sell ourselves wholesale to the US?

Must we buy things which do not suit us but we should buy lest we upset people?

Why don't we mortgage our defence in that case to the NATO?

And become another Pakistan and have the same baggage that Pakistan shoulders?

A motivated article to scuttle the deal!
 

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well i dont now why and what question remains

yes rafale is the best option available for medium role , we should focus on PAKFA and lca

in war LCA , su30 and pakfa will play more important role
 

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well i dont now why and what question remains

yes rafale is the best option available for medium role , we should focus on PAKFA and lca

in war LCA , su30 and pakfa will play more important role
what do u mean by rafale is the best option available for medium role???
 

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Hmm..

The Man is just uninformed & Quick on conclusion without proper research and understanding, like many others..
Just like the one calling Multi-cal Rifle concept is not feasible..
i think he is a typhoon fanboy whose A$$ is burning :lol:
 

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Could not trawl through the article.

What is our strategic equation with Germany, UK and others?

Are we not buying enough from the US?

Must we sell ourselves wholesale to the US?

Must we buy things which do not suit us but we should buy lest we upset people?

Why don't we mortgage our defence in that case to the NATO?

And become another Pakistan and have the same baggage that Pakistan shoulders?

A motivated article to scuttle the deal!
a bribed & commisioned article from a person to schuffle the deal :lol:
 

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