Kaveri Engine

[Kyubi]

sgarg sahib, there is no doubt about our own engine should get into LCA. my desire is having come this far, and having certified Kaveri in whatever form and specification it was certified for, should be ported to a TD/Prototype. If we have 8 engines, convert about 8 LCA TDs to Kaveri based fighter. The data from such use is so much useful that it beats all certifications so far we have got. This is vital, and not dump Kaveri project like our babooze think and do. For them, it is all about input/output.

absolutely, precision engineering and safety-critical systems like kaveri can't be dumped like that. or is this all a whitewash for public information I am not sure. Yes, we can have the next generation engine going in that matches GE 414 specs, but that is entirely different ball game. Getting Kaveri data from LCA TD is entirely different base-ball game. This is important.

What I heard from the guy @kaveri stall @aeroindia 2015 is that they have the mandate to complete the project with all the necessary certifications and then the gov will decide in what capacity/platform can the engine be used!!!

sgarg sahib, there is no doubt about our own engine should get into LCA. my desire is having come this far, and having certified Kaveri in whatever form and specification it was certified for, should be ported to a TD/Prototype. If we have 8 engines, convert about 8 LCA TDs to Kaveri based fighter. The data from such use is so much useful that it beats all certifications so far we have got. This is vital, and not dump Kaveri project like our babooze think and do. For them, it is all about input/output.

absolutely, precision engineering and safety-critical systems like kaveri can't be dumped like that. or is this all a whitewash for public information I am not sure. Yes, we can have the next generation engine going in that matches GE 414 specs, but that is entirely different ball game. Getting Kaveri data from LCA TD is entirely different base-ball game. This is important.

 

[akshay m]

we may see a three engined shukhoi soon ????????????????????



Read more at: Sukhoi for Bengaluru? DRDO hunts for a supersonic Flying Test Bed - Oneindia

The current requirement for a supersonic FTB is being explored for the primary use of Gas Turbine and Research Establishment (GTRE). Although GTRE's capabilities in developing a desi power plant for Light Combat Aircraft Tejas have run into a rough patch, efforts are being made to carry forward the technical expertise for other engine programmes. Sukhoi is being tipped as the best choice with a price tag of around Rs 400 crore. DRDO officials are of the opinion that with HAL's MiG Complex in Nashik already rolling out, they have the advantage of making the modifications with less fuzz. "It's a huge process to make modifications if the aircraft is imported from abroad. We have to save time and money and Sukhoi could be the answer. Even certification too becomes easier in India," an official said.

Read more at: Sukhoi for Bengaluru? DRDO hunts for a supersonic Flying Test Bed - Oneindia

DRDO officials say that the modification work on Sukhoi done for launching the air version of BrahMos will come handy for DRDO. "The BrahMos missile weighs around 2.5 tonnes while a Kaveri engine is around 1.22 tonnes. There are two pilots in a Su-30 MKI and one can easily monitor the engine and independently operate it," the official said.

Read more at: Sukhoi for Bengaluru? DRDO hunts for a supersonic Flying Test Bed - Oneindia

 

[Kunal Biswas]

No, They will mount Kaveri on one of the engine bay of MKI ..

 

[ersakthivel]

Saurav Jha @SJha1618 · Mar 20
Kaveri's core will definitely power India's UCAV.

Of late I have been talking to several stakeholders on the Kaveri program. And they all agree that GTRE has done a better job than thought.

Saurav Jha "@SJha1618 Mar 20
In fact many of them say, that had the right funding push been given to the program after successful flight trials in CIAM, Russia in 2010

We would have a decent 75 KN low bypass turbofan today.

Why funding was not given?

 

[saik]

want some music for ears? now dig more and find out about this:

http://idrw.org/drdo-shows-glimpses-of-iusav-combat-drone-again/
DRDO and many of its labs are working on development of radar-absorbent paint and materials, cool exhaust signatures for infrared suppression, conformal sensors and antennas, data links and flying-wing aerodynamics.With some Pace in the development of India’s 5th generation fighter jet, AMCA Project will help IUSAV which will utilize many of the technology developed for the fighter jet. IUSAV will be powered by a Single Dry variant of Kaveri engine and will make its first flight post-2020.

 

[Khagesh]

Kaveri Dry thrust last reported was 49.5 KN. But remember this is a low bypass engine. So a spin off with a higher bypass should do the job. Won't be the first time that a military engine would have its bypass ratio changed.

http://www.business-standard.com/article/printer-friendly-version?article_id=112122602012_1

Kaveri engine to fly futuristic unmanned aircraft

Ajai Shukla | Bangalore December 26, 2012 Last Updated at 00:22 IST

The veil of secrecy surrounding the USAV project was thrown off on December 10, when the defence minister told Parliament that, “(the) Kaveri spin-off engine can be used as a propulsion system for (the) Indian Unmanned Strike Air Vehicle.”
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The Indian USAV project is a lease of life for the Kaveri engine. Although India will import jet engines worth Rs 1,60,000 crore over the next decade (DRDO projections) none of these can be used for the USAV. The Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR) prohibits its 34 signatories — including every major engine manufacturing country — from selling engines for unmanned systems with ranges of over 300 kilometres.
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During this test the Kaveri did well, generating 49.2 KiloNewtons (KN) of “dry thrust”, marginally less than its target of 51 KN.
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“Since the USAV will weigh less than 10 tonnes, the Kaveri’s 50 KN will suffice. And, with the afterburner removed, we would significantly reduce the weight of the Kaveri,” says a top DRDO scientist.

GTRE has a threefold plan for perfecting the Kaveri for the USAV. First, it will remove the design flaws that were detecting during testing in Russia in 2010-11; then, after ground testing in Bangalore, the Kaveri will undergo a round of confirmatory tests in Russia; finally, it will be fitted on a Tejas fighter for flight tests.
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GTRE has asked MoD for Rs 595 crore to develop the Kaveri dry engine for the USAV. This will fund the building of two new Kaveri engines, costing some Rs 50 crore each; and flight testing in Russia, which cost Rs 80 crore in 2010-11 and could cost significantly more now.

“We will take 48 months from the date we get clearance from the government, for completing 50 hours of testing the Kaveri on the Tejas LCA. During the last 12 months, we will actually fly the Tejas with the Kaveri,” says Ramnarayanan.

Notice "can be". Perhaps these people were thinking of negotiating on MTCR with their friends in US waghera.

Notice also Rs. 50 crore each. GTRE was given an extra Rs. 70 crore for some strategic project.

It is time that all the jingos (true son of the soil types not the forum reader type) that they raise a collective voice to make sure nobody in the import lobby dares to come near this thing. I have noticed Saurav Jha is very vocal about this. Actually the germ caught me from him only .

Not just indigenization of the Rs. 1,60,000/- Crore engine industry but also the idea of the engine itself was sought to be killed. That is big idea and big money and there are too many termites.

Indian Navy had a tiff with GTRE during UPA years because GTRE did not have the resources to give them 10 marine engines (GTRE assembled). This demand came during the time certain lobbies were not releasing even the money for aviation fuel.

http://www.millenniumpost.in/NewsContent.aspx?NID=62675

Navy, DRDO headed for a tug of war over Kaveri engine
18 July 2014, New Delhi, Pinaki Bhattacharya

Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) and the Indian Navy have disagreements over the issue of the much pilloried engine, Kaveri, which Bengaluru-based Gas Turbine Research Establishment (GTRE) had been developing for the past three decades.

The Navy wants a few of these engines to be provided to them to power some of their smaller ships. The engine – primarily an aeronautical one — has been tested successfully in Russia more than three years ago in a four-engine Ilyushin-76, in Russia. At its end, the DRDO had stated that these fully indigenous engines will be used for powering the heavier Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs) that it plans to develop.

But the GTRE and its supervising director general (aeronautics), Dr K Tamilmani have so far demurred from entertaining the Navy’s request, for it requires at least two major modifications of Kaveri. Reason: the Navy is seeking less than 10 of these engines, which does not provide the scale of production for which GTRE can divert human and other resources.

Even as late as 2013 people are reporting wrong figures for thrust achieved. There is a reason for this disinformation campaign.

defense-update.com/20130104_kaveri_tender.html#.VWStv8-qqko

India in Search for a Foreign Engine Maker to Improve Kaveri Program

• Aero India 2015
• Asia Pacific
• Drones & Robotics
• propulsion

Jan 4, 2013

In 27 flight-test performed last year at the Gromov Flight Research Institute (GFRI) in Russia, the Kaveri’s maximum thrust (termed “wet thrust”) was measured at 70.4 KiloNewtons (KN).

Tamir Eshel

When the reality as early as 2011 was:
http://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/technology/article1127075.ece

S & T » TECHNOLOGY
NEW DELHI, January 26, 2011
Updated: January 26, 2011 17:09 IST

Kaveri engine to power fifth generation fighter aircraft

“In recent times, the engine has been able to produce thrust of 70-75 Kilo Newton but what the IAF and other stake-holders desire is power between 90—95 KN.

 

[R.parida]

As its reported GTRE is going to develop Kaveri engine for AMCA and simillarly its being reported the updated GE 414 with 110kn thurst is going to be used for AMCA .. doesn't it seems contradictory?

Also as a nation if we have a great need of futursitic figther planes why can't we develop our own fighter engines. Why there is no mention about budget to GTRE to develop a modern engines?

Any body has knowledge about whats current resources of GTRE in terms of Scientists (manpower) to develop modern engines and whats the budget allocation to them? Engine technology is one the most important part of modern aircraft and without having expertise on it, will cost us heavily..

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Today Sunday Times of India carried a expression of interest (EOI) from GTRE for manufacture and assembly of 80KN thrust engine from private/public companies. GTRE is looking to manufacture 20 engines within a period of 3-4 years.

Source : BR

 

[power_monger]

Today Sunday Times of India carried a expression of interest (EOI) from GTRE for manufacture and assembly of 80KN thrust engine from private/public companies. GTRE is looking to manufacture 20 engines within a period of 3-4 years.

Source : BR

Which means Kaveri program was never stopped?

 

[Kunal Biswas]

The order is of existing design of Kaveri, Not developed matured version tuned for fighter aircraft ..

Its gud that the system got orders..

Which means Kaveri program was never stopped?

 

[tejas warrior]

Today Sunday Times of India carried a expression of interest (EOI) from GTRE for manufacture and assembly of 80KN thrust engine from private/public companies. GTRE is looking to manufacture 20 engines within a period of 3-4 years.

Source : BR

Who ordered these Engines and for what purpose ?

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Their is not much detail at this moment, More will come on net soon ..

Who ordered these Engines and for what purpose ?

 

[ersakthivel]

http://www.drdo.gov.in/drdo/tenders/viewTender.jsp?paramMicro=11203

From BR,

it seems GTRE is asking for expression of Interest from manufacturers for producing around 20 jet engines with 80 KN power.

So does that mean we have a working jet engine?

No defence blog has reported this till today. If true it is a very good news.

 

[tejas warrior]

Time for a private player to grab the opportunity with both hands.. If they start working fton now.. who knows later they may be making large number of jet engines.

 

[Illusive]

Does it mean someone is looking to buy Kaveri or is it GTRE requesting someone to buy.

 

[Ind4Ever]

What an idea sir gi. .. why not have private players to manufacture Kaveri .It will not only keeps the programme alive but will get upgrades in future . It's about time we clinch deal with TOT for F414 GE . Two engines for a country is not a small achievements . We have lots of different ways Kaveri can be used . From passenger jets to floating platform

 

[tejas warrior]

Does it mean someone is looking to buy Kaveri or is it GTRE requesting someone to buy.

It means GTRE is looking for companies who can make 20 kaveri engines.
GTRE is a research organisation like DRDO.. and they r looking for manufacturer like HAL.

 

[myana]

Serious question to think about is why do we need 20 complete aero engines with afterburners & condi nozzles where are we going to use them? without afterburners would made sense we can assume it is for Aura.

Kaveri is a working engine no doubt about it with its own performance points it can be used on any plane but will not suffice Naval Tejas as it could not lift the plane in smaller runway(with reasonable payload).

There are no plans for re-engining any other plane in the IAF inventory Mirage has its own upgrades, mig 29 has its own set and also the jaguars.

Then why do we need 20 Engines?

 

[Hari Sud]

Just a minute, has not the Kaveri engine put in the cold storage after 30 years of waste of money. If it has not been, then sooner the new Defence Minister does it, better everybody.

 

[tejas warrior]

Just a minute, has not the Kaveri engine put in the cold storage after 30 years of waste of money. If it has not been, then sooner the new Defence Minister does it, better everybody.

Excuse me.. just tell my how many countries in this world are capable of making Jet engine like Kaveri ?
It's Ok if GTRE didn't managed to extract enough thrust for it to make available for Tejas.. but still its a indigenous jet engine.