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Re: Kaveri for Infamous MIG-21 fleet

He does a lot of ranting R&D in another forum which has a name resemblance with ours!!!!

other than that asking his R&D experience can be injurious to mental health.

I had a lot of ,"fruitful discussions" with him earlier in that forum!!!!

He is here for the same purpose you suspected a few posts earlier.

He will confirm it a within a few posts.

Don't worry .
He is definitely the same Anish. All of his post centers around the following few statements:

1. Tejas is inferior than Mig21

2. Tejas can't fire BVR

3. Tejas should be scrapped

4. Tejas is a draggy platform

5. Tejas is a waste of public money


And none of his points are ever back by any valid proof:-
 

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Jet engine lag | idrw.org

so what is the urgency of stopping Kaveri development at the last mile without even providing a single test aircraft?

The Week | Jet engine lag

Four years ago, when Indian aero-engineers walked into the Gromov Flight Research Institute in Moscow, they were shocked to see Chinese engineers there. The Indians had come to flight-test Kaveri, India's first indigenous jet engine. The Chinese, too, had come on a similar mission. And, the Indian engineers were worried whether the Chinese would beat them to it.

Worry was understandable, because jet-engine technology is even more exclusive than nuclear know-how. Only a few countries in the world know how to make jet engines. The market for tens of thousands of engines that power fighter planes owned by air forces across the globe is controlled by just a handful of companies—GE and Pratt & Whitney of the United States, NPO Saturn of Russia, Rolls-Royce of the UK, Snecma of France and Eurojet of Germany.

The dominance of these companies is almost complete, evident from the fact that even though Rolls-Royce admitted to have paid commission to agents in dealing with Hindustan Aeronautics Limited, the defence ministry could not do much because if Rolls-Royce stopped supplying engines, it would affect HAL's production of Jaguar fighter bombers.

Kaveri, which was developed at the Bengaluru-based Gas Turbine Research Establishment (GTRE), a lab under the Defence Research and Development Organisation, successfully completed the sub-sonic test in Moscow by flying a giant Ilyushin-76 aircraft.

The Chinese test was a failure. Four years later, however, it seems the Kaveri story is going to have a sad end, while the Chinese are making steady progress with their project.

Back from Russia, lack of funds significantly slowed down Kaveri's progress. "We have shortage of funds to even run the five prototype engines which have been produced so far. It is difficult to procure fuel for the engines," says GTRE director C.P. Ramanarayanan.

The Chinese story, on the other hand, turned out to be completely different. After their engineers returned with the failed engine, the Chinese government opened its purse-strings and invested more than $60 billion for developing its aerospace sector of which a significant portion was spent on the jet engine programme.

China has "gone crazy for making aircraft," says a recent white paper prepared by renowned aerospace scientist Roddam Narasimha.

Flush with funds, the Chinese burnt the midnight jet-fuel and put their WS-10 turbofan engine on a few prototypes of their J-10 fighters, and flew them. "But they are still far from developing the engine for squadron service," says a GTRE scientist. "We can also fly Kaveri suboptimally, as the Chinese are doing, but we don't have test aircraft for that. We are waiting for just one old MiG-29 for testing."

Anyway, Narasimha's paper, prepared last year, had some effect on the Manmohan Singh government. When GTRE asked for half a million dollars in the budget, the babus returned the request, saying it was "suboptimal", and with the advice to ask for more. This gave them hope. "The Chinese haven't yet succeeded in finalising the engine for squadron service. We can still catch up, because we have already addressed the issues on making the engine supersonic. We needed only funds to test," says the scientist.

But now, a move by the Narendra Modi government to scrap all DRDO development programmes that face significant delays could end India's Kaveri dreams. DRDO's Director-General (Aero) K. Tamilmani has reportedly described it as a bold move, saying the agency has realised its old mistakes and is taking steps to address them.

GTRE scientists, who made the engine, disagree. Indeed, the Kaveri programme has taken long. The defence ministry recently told Parliament that the project was sanctioned in March 1989 at a cost of Rs382.8 crore, to be completed by December 1996. This was revised (in 2005) to December 2009. But GTRE scientists say similar engines produced by global manufacturers will cost almost three to four times. With Rs2,105 crore having been spent on the programme so far and with over two decades of experience in the field and the programme on the verge of successful completion, Ramanarayanan feels it would not be wise to scrap it. The lessons learnt will "go down the drain".

The fate of Kaveri will now be decided by the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS), which has sought some clarifications from GTRE. According to GTRE scientists, Kaveri now needs to cover just the last mile. According to defence ministry estimates, India would be spending a whopping Rs3.5 lakh crore for its aircraft fleet, including the fifth generation fighter aircraft and the French Rafale combat aircraft, in the next 10 to 15 years, of which the cost of the engines would be around Rs74,500 crore. Engines for the Su-30MKI fleet would require another Rs70,000 crore. "Most of the money that we are planning to spend on these engines is likely to go to foreign countries, but if we allow programmes such as Kaveri to continue and succeed, this will help us in saving at least 30 to 40 per cent of the funds," says Ramanarayanan.

Scientists deny that India had to buy GE engines to power Tejas, India's first light combat aircraft, because of the delay in Kaveri. "Nobody in the world puts an untested engine in an untested aircraft," says a scientist. "Even if Kaveri was ready by now, we would have put some other engine in Tejas. It is always like that. The first engines are always put in proven aircraft and untested aircraft are always powered with proven engines." The first 40 LCAs are being powered by GE-404 engine whereas the DRDO has placed orders for more than 200 GE-414 engines for the LCA-MKII, which are scheduled to be ready by 2017.

There are unconfirmed reports that Kaveri is being designed also to power India's top secret unmanned combat aerial vehicle. Since India has not signed the Missile Technology Control Regime, no country would supply engines for UCAVs that fly longer than 300km. "Since the UCAV would be a lighter plane, the present power of the Kaveri engine would be enough for powering it," says a DRDO scientist. The UCAV programme, being worked on by DRDO and HAL, has been sanctioned Rs7,000 crore.

Scientists working on Kaveri say they have tackled all technical issues in making the engine supersonic. "We need to test it on a fighter such as MiG-29 or a SU-30MKI." They are confident that Kaveri has hit the home stretch. It just needs an aircraft, a few more months, some more money and little more patience to secure India's entry into the exclusive fighter jet engine club.

WITH R. PRASANNAN


Beneath the wings
GE and Pratt & Whitney of the United States and Rolls-Royce of the United Kingdom are the world's leading fighter-jet engine manufacturers. Other prominent engine makers include NPO Saturn and Klimov of Russia, Snecma of France and Eurojet Turbo GmbH based in Germany, run by a consortium of Rolls-Royce, Avio (Italy), ITP (Spain) and MTU (Germany).

Some of the leading engines and the fighters they power:


GE
The F110 family: Powers F-15 and F-16 fighter aircraft of many countries
The F404 family: Used in the world's first stealth fighter, the F-117. Also powers Korean T-50s, Boeing F/A-18C/D Hornets, Saab Gripen multi-role fighters
The F414 family: Powers Boeing Super Hornets and Growlers, MKII version of the Tejas light combat aircraft, Saab's next generation Gripen aircraft


PRATT & WHITNEY
The F119 family: Powers the US Air Force's F-22 Raptors
The F135 family: Used in the F-35 Lightning IIs, all of the US Air Force's F-15 Eagles and the majority of the world's F-16 Fighting Falcons
The F100 family: Powers various aircraft of 23 air forces around the world


ROLLS-ROYCE
RB199: Tornado multi-role aircraft operated by the UK, Germany, Italy and Saudi Arabia
Adour: SEPECAT Jaguars, Mitsubishi T-2s and F-1s, BAE Systems Hawk
Spey: AMX strike aircraft


NFO SATURN
AL-21: Powers Sukhoi Su-17s, Su-24s, Sukhoi T-10s and MiG-23s
AL-31: All Su-27 derivatives and China's Chengdu J-10 multi-role fighters
AL-31F: Su-35BM and PAK FA


SNECMA
M88: Multi-role combat aircraft Rafale from Dassault Aviation
M 53: Mirage 2000-9s
Atar: Mirage F1s and 50s


EUROJET
EJ200: Eurofighter Typhoons


KLIMOV
RD-33 Series: MiG-35s and Mig29Ks
SMR-95 Series: Super Mirage F-1s, Super Cheetah D-2s


Who gave the Modi government the "great idea " of closing 20 years old Defence programs, regardless of the strategic implications, all in one go?

Did Modi have any good understanding of the implications of his now "famous statement " in the DRDO awards function about programs dragging on for three decades.

Even for western nations it takes decades to master a new powerful version of cutting edge jet engine tech, despite their tremendous tech lead. Hope the new DM Manohar Parrikar applies mind over matter before scraping the kaveri program without finishing its development by giving a test aircraft.
 
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The important part is NOT to flush gained knowledge and experience.
In France we have a sentence "must learn to walk before running".
Whatever is the fate of Kaveri, KEEP scientists and engineers in place so as to either improve it or design a new engine from scratch. One learns frome errors.
There is also a common sentence at Dassault : a 30 years career of an engineer is 10 years to learn, 10 years to produce and 10 years to teach....

Even if Kaveri do not meet expectations, India now have a set of experienced engineers in engine design. And Bharat Forge will gain metalurgy knowledge to produce blisks, monocristallines etc. From SNECMA. Hold on!
A friend of India ;)
 

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@halloweene, excellent words! I completely agree that GOI has made the same mistake time and again of frittering away knowledge gained. India does not realize the value of IP yet.

I think Kavery program should be taken to completion (a working fighter engine) even if its specs are suboptimal. India needs a fully debugged local engine.
 
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when SLV-3 and ASLV failed in the eighties ,had the govt didnt support ISRO today we would not have PSLV,GSLV,INSAT , CHANDRAYAAN and MOM!!! ISRO had visionaries as its chairmen!!! They were all great people. Shelving Kaveri program at this stage is quite suicidal and catastrophic for Indian aero engine program!!! Modi should form a task team consisting of Aero engine experts drawn from HAL,DRDO,DGCA,IAF,Russia or USA or France or UK and assign work to them to assess kaveri performance unbiasedly and come up with corrective measures which GTRE should implement!!! Its sad to note that so far GTRE has failed to come up with any kind of operational engines even after 30 plus years of existence!!! I fail to understand when india can execute a successful MOM why organizations like GTRE fail to deliver!!! Its all commitment,integrity and solid foundation!!!!of course the engine tech is special and complex for a novice!!!
 

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OneIndia Exclusive: DRDO to abandon indigenous fighter jet engine Kaveri project - Oneindia

Written by: Dr Anantha Krishnan M Updated: Wednesday, November 19, 2014, 15:51 [IST]

Bengaluru, Nov 18: The Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) has decided to wind up the Kaveri engine (GTX-35VS ) programme, signaling an end to a desi dream of equipping its own fighter jet with a home-grown power plant.

Sources in the Ministry of Defence (MoD) confirmed to OneIndia on Tuesday that the DRDO has already moved a file recently seeking the closure of the ambitious engine development project undertaken by Bengaluru-based Gas Turbine Research Establishment (GTRE).

The proposal now needs to get the approval of the Ministry of Finance (MoF) and finally the clearance from the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) - a process expected to take at least a year. The Kaveri project, which began in the mid-80s, was aimed at powering the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas.

GTRE has spent so far Rs 2,106 crore on the project so far and could only fly the engine for 73 hours on the IL-76 Flying Test Bed (FTB) in Russia. The delay in the project saw DRDO choosing the GE 404 engine for Tejas Mk-1 and GE 414 for Tejas Mk-II.

GTRE gets additional funds
Sources said that the DRDO has sanctioned Rs 300 crore for GTRE to take up future projects. "The lab is gearing up to take up some futuristic projects and the sanctions have been already given. Another additional sanction of Rs 700 crore is on its way to help realize these gen-next technologies," an official said.

Sources confirm that a separate proposal of Rs 2,600 crore to develop engines for an 'ambitious project' is under consideration now. The lab has been given another Rs 70 crore for a strategic programme.

Part of DRDO's bold decision, confirms DG
Refusing to divulge the finer details, Dr K Tamilmani, Director-General (Aero), DRDO, confirmed to OneIndia that the Kaveri project will be scrapped. "Yes. These are part of the bold stand being taken by DRDO. Whereever we have found bottlenecks for long time, with no realistic solutions, it's better to move on. It is an honest stand we are taking," Tamilmani said.

When asked whether the decision was a fall out of the recent remarks made by Prime Minister Narendra Modi asking DRDO to come out of the delay trap, the senior official refused to make a direct comment. "If you are fit to run only for 50 km, why attempt 100 km? DRDO has realized its mistakes of the past and we have no hesitation in taking some bold steps," he said.

Sources said that the MoF has sought some clarifications from DRDO on the Kaveri project, before the matter could finally reach the CCS.

Years of hard work won't go waste: GTRE Director
Dr C P Ramanarayanan, Director, GTRE, said that the DRDO decision might not be final. Leading a team of 900-plus staff at GTRE, Dr Ramanarayanan is now left with the task of inspiring the team to launch future projects.

"This is not the end of the road. We have identified some 12 core areas of technologies and various teams are already at it. Years of hard work put in by the team won't go waste either," Dr Ramanarayanan, a torpedo specialist, told OneIndia.

He said world over not many countries have progressed ahead in making engines. "We have made a good start and despite the delays, proved our capabilities to our best of abilities. The lessons learnt will not go down the drain. India must become self sufficient in making aero engines and our efforts will continue," he added.
The Kaveri engine project is scrapped GTRE is still in the game. Let us wait and watch.
 

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If Kaveri engine is so close to its fruitation then why stop its development now.

May be something good will come out.
 

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Isn't there a separate project in place of the Kaveri . Scrapping this particular project means that they have given up trying to shoehorn it into new requirements . No knowledge was lost as such.
 

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Isn't there a separate project in place of the Kaveri . Scrapping this particular project means that they have given up trying to shoehorn it into new requirements . No knowledge was lost as such.
The last 10% is the most critical in an engineering project. Many projects get stuck at 80%-90% level. The learning of this last 10% is very critical.

The project that replaces Kavery will also be lacking this "last mile" knowledge, and can get stuck at the same stage.

New engine cannot be radically different from Kavery. All aero engines require advances in materials and electronics.
 

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Well researched ..

Jet engine lag | idrw.org

so what is the urgency of stopping Kaveri development at the last mile without even providing a single test aircraft?

The Week | Jet engine lag


Who gave the Modi government the "great idea " of closing 20 years old Defence programs, regardless of the strategic implications, all in one go?

Did Modi have any good understanding of the implications of his now "famous statement " in the DRDO awards function about programs dragging on for three decades.

Even for western nations it takes decades to master a new powerful version of cutting edge jet engine tech, despite their tremendous tech lead. Hope the new DM Manohar Parrikar applies mind over matter before scraping the kaveri program without finishing its development by giving a test aircraft.
 

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@ersakthivel, do we know the correct situation about who initiated the closure of Kavery? It could very well be DRDO. Perhaps we shall see a repackaging with name change - another engine with similar design - perhaps scaled up or scaled down - with new funding and new "long" timeline.

We cannot jump to a conclusion without all facts.

The government will trust DRDO, as it has no other choice. The decision to close long running projects which have not achieved objectives is a logical decision. However the decision to close a project or not is a techno-commercial decision which must be taken by DRDO and government together.
 
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@ersakthivel, do we know the correct situation about who initiated the closure of Kavery? It could very well be DRDO. Perhaps we shall see a repackaging with name change - another engine with similar design - perhaps scaled up or scaled down - with new funding and new "long" timeline.
I sincerely hope that your words come true. :)
 
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I believe the think tank at DRDO would have something better in mind before wrapping the Kaveri Project. Lessons have been learnt, knowhow obtained. Manpower is trained. Probably this combination will be more useful for the subsequent more critical project that they may be going to undertake and that should be critical enough for which they could forsake the Kaveri project.

India is a very big nation with a lot of talent. I believe if a few Engineers from the Kaveri Project can train the fresh talent from Indian tech universities and can bring them upto speed in a reasonable time, i believe they can continue to keep the Kaveri project alive. I agree with all the experts that if India aspires to be a super power and have indigenous Fighter Jets, we need our own engine which we can mass produce.

Who knows what DRDO has in mind.
 

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Its Time to Bury Kaveri engine Project and restart | idrw.org

I don't understand the motivation of guys who write such misinformed pieces like the one above,

GTRE has already said that the K-9 kaveri has already achieved (exceeded) design dry thrust in Russian test. Some amount of Googling will help the author to know these facts.It is all detailed here in the link below.

Press Information Bureau English Releases

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DRDO Conducts Successful Maiden Flight Test of Kaveri Engine
The indigenously designed and developed Kaveri Engine was successfully flight tested by DRDO yesterday during the Flying Test Bed (FTB) Trials at Gromov Flight Research Institute (GFRI), Moscow, Russia. The engine was tested from take-off to landing and flew for a period of over one hour up to at an altitude of 6000m at a speed of 0.6 mach in its maiden flight. The engine control, engine performance and engine health during the flight were found to be excellent. With this test, Kaveri Engine has completed a major milestone of the development program. During the coming months further 50-60 test flights will be carried out to mature the engine in terms of reliability, safety and airworthiness. These trials would pave the way for further flight trials of Kaveri Engine with a fighter aircraft.

An existing IL-76 aircraft was modified as a Flying Test Bed for this trial, with Kaveri engine replacing one of the four engines of the aircraft. The modifications included instrumentation required for trials as well as integration of mechanical, electrical and fuel system. The engine was controlled by the pilot from the cockpit. A number of taxi trials were carried out with Kaveri Engine integrated with the aircraft, before this maiden flight. The engine data was recorded in the aircraft as well as transmitted to ground station by telemetry.

A team of 20 scientists from Gas Turbine Research Establishment, DRDO, have been working along with GFRI for these trials. Dr Prahlada, Chief Controller, R&D (Aeronautics & Services Interaction) briefed the Media about the significance of the first flight.

Kaveri engine is being developed for fighter aircraft, at Gas Turbine Research Establishment (GTRE), a DRDO laboratory based in Bangalore with the active support of several other DRDO labs, academic institutions and industry partners. During the development phase, Kaveri engine has successfully completed various stages of development including component testing, safety tests, ground based engine tests, endurance tests etc, both at GTRE as well as test facilities abroad.

SAMIR/RAMAN
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Kaveri is a flat rated engines designed to give constant amount of thrust even at higher temp prevalent in indian atmospheric conditions. Other engines give their top thrust level at IDSA temp which is substantially lower than indian hot 40 plus degree temp. So those engines wont give their top level thrusts in indian hot temp conditions.

It is quite surprising that the author of the piece does not know these basic facts .



A working jet engine with 1990s tech level is a technological achievement .


It has many uses and a new twin engined Tejas mk3 with stealth features can be developed using two kaveri engines. chinese are placing pre historic RD 93 engines on their stealth J-31!!!. Kaveri with FADEC and flat rating is much better than that.


People don't have to be fooled by simply stating thrust and weight. There are many other things besides that in jet engines.


Even ISRO has run its cryogenic engine program for thirty years and succeeded only recently.Still that engine lifts lesser amount of weight than western cryo engines. If the program was closed a few years back, what would have been the benefit?

ANd without validating one jet engine and gaining experience there is no point in starting a newer jet engine development.
 
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Its Time to Bury Kaveri engine Project and restart | idrw.org

I don't understand the motivation of guys who write such misinformed pieces like the one above,

GTRE has already said that the K-9 kaveri has already achieved (exceeded) design dry thrust in Russian test. Some amount of Googling will help the author to know these facts.It is all detailed here in the link below.

Press Information Bureau English Releases

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DRDO Conducts Successful Maiden Flight Test of Kaveri Engine
The indigenously designed and developed Kaveri Engine was successfully flight tested by DRDO yesterday during the Flying Test Bed (FTB) Trials at Gromov Flight Research Institute (GFRI), Moscow, Russia. The engine was tested from take-off to landing and flew for a period of over one hour up to at an altitude of 6000m at a speed of 0.6 mach in its maiden flight. The engine control, engine performance and engine health during the flight were found to be excellent. With this test, Kaveri Engine has completed a major milestone of the development program. During the coming months further 50-60 test flights will be carried out to mature the engine in terms of reliability, safety and airworthiness. These trials would pave the way for further flight trials of Kaveri Engine with a fighter aircraft.

An existing IL-76 aircraft was modified as a Flying Test Bed for this trial, with Kaveri engine replacing one of the four engines of the aircraft. The modifications included instrumentation required for trials as well as integration of mechanical, electrical and fuel system. The engine was controlled by the pilot from the cockpit. A number of taxi trials were carried out with Kaveri Engine integrated with the aircraft, before this maiden flight. The engine data was recorded in the aircraft as well as transmitted to ground station by telemetry.

A team of 20 scientists from Gas Turbine Research Establishment, DRDO, have been working along with GFRI for these trials. Dr Prahlada, Chief Controller, R&D (Aeronautics & Services Interaction) briefed the Media about the significance of the first flight.

Kaveri engine is being developed for fighter aircraft, at Gas Turbine Research Establishment (GTRE), a DRDO laboratory based in Bangalore with the active support of several other DRDO labs, academic institutions and industry partners. During the development phase, Kaveri engine has successfully completed various stages of development including component testing, safety tests, ground based engine tests, endurance tests etc, both at GTRE as well as test facilities abroad.

SAMIR/RAMAN
(Release ID :66793)


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Kaveri is a flat rated engines designed to give constant amount of thrust even at higher temp prevalent in indian atmospheric conditions. Other engines give their top thrust level at IDSA temp which is substantially lower than indian hot 40 plus degree temp. So those engines wont give their top level thrusts in indian hot temp conditions.

It is quite surprising that the author of the piece does not know these basic facts .



A working jet engine with 1990s tech level is a technological achievement .


It has many uses and a new twin engined Tejas mk3 with stealth features can be developed using two kaveri engines. chinese are placing pre historic RD 93 engines on their stealth J-31!!!. Kaveri with FADEC and flat rating is much better than that.


People don't have to be fooled by simply stating thrust and weight. There are many other things besides that in jet engines.


Even ISRO has run its cryogenic engine program for thirty years and succeeded only recently.Still that engine lifts lesser amount of weight than western cryo engines. If the program was closed a few years back, what would have been the benefit?

ANd without validating one jet engine and gaining experience there is no point in starting a newer jet engine development.
Why bother reading the article . It says right at the start by an "analyst" for IRDW .
It is basically an opinion by a random person .
 

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Based on facts, Filled up in this very thread ..

Why bother reading the article . It says right at the start by an "analyst" for IRDW .
It is basically an opinion by a random person .
 

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Why bother reading the article . It says right at the start by an "analyst" for IRDW .
It is basically an opinion by a random person .
It does not seem to be a random opinion. Just look at the timing.

A few days earlier THE WEEK correspondent wrote a piece comparing the jet engine development effort of GTRE and china and with authentic quotes stating the present status of Kaveri program which according him is hitting the home stretch,

Then Suddenly an "opinion piece" arises in IDRW repudiating each and every line of the THE WEEK article , with the author "feigning" ignorance about current status of Kaveri !!!

In the same way with in a week of Monahar Parrikar giving an answer in parliament explicitly stating that 20-30 tejas will replace ageing Mig-21s , another article comes up in IDRW , cautioning Manohar parrikar ,"not to trust the babus",stating that DERBY and PYTHON integration is very slow and FOC is not yet achieved.

The only problem is the first lot of 20 tejas mk1 order conforms to IOC-2 config with R-73 E, drop tanks and laser guided PGMs which were all achieved a year ago.

SO why "random opinion arises" contradicting everything officially stated on tejas program , with no shred of evidence to base their "random opinion"?
 

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It does not seem to be a random opinion. Just look at the timing.

A few days earlier THE WEEK correspondent wrote a piece comparing the jet engine development effort of GTRE and china and with authentic quotes stating the present status of Kaveri program which according him is hitting the home stretch,

Then Suddenly an "opinion piece" arises in IDRW repudiating each and every line of the THE WEEK article , with the author "feigning" ignorance about current status of Kaveri !!!

In the same way with in a week of Monahar Parrikar giving an answer in parliament explicitly stating that 20-30 tejas will replace ageing Mig-21s , another article comes up in IDRW , cautioning Manohar parrikar ,"not to trust the babus",stating that DERBY and PYTHON integration is very slow and FOC is not yet achieved.

The only problem is the first lot of 20 tejas mk1 order conforms to IOC-2 config with R-73 E, drop tanks and laser guided PGMs which were all achieved a year ago.

SO why "random opinion arises" contradicting everything officially stated on tejas program , with no shred of evidence to base their "random opinion"?
Good observation even I had the same feeling , seeing multiple articles contradicting official correspondence was quite a dampner. The first article which spoke of needing few more yes a and kaveri can do a home run and the next thing u see there r articles which maintain that Kaveri is in the dumpster...
 

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HAL propels fortunes of Koraput Engine Division with gen-next projects - Oneindia

Written by: Dr Anantha Krishnan M Updated: Friday, December 12, 2014

Sonabeda, Dec 12: The Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) has put the Engine Division in Koraput on spotlight with funds and new ideas being made available on priority basis. During a recent visit to the division situated at Sunabeda (Koraput district in Odisha and 180 km from Visakhapatnam), OneIndia was given access to some of the state-of-the-art facilities.

Set up in 1964, the division completed 50 years recently with the Indian Air Force (IAF) Chief Air Chief Marshal Arup Raha wanting it to emerge as the 'aero engine capital of India.' Echoing his thoughts was G C Pati, Chief Secretary, Odisha, who wanted the division to further enhance indigenous capabilities in aeronautical sector.

A handout given by HAL says that the division has a total workforce of 3775 employees, comprising of 2945 workmen and 830 executives. Massive investments projected for the next 5 years Speaking to OneIndia, Maloy De, General Manager (Koraput) said that the renewed thrust shown by the HAL top management in the recent years has rejuvenated the workforce. "In the last 50 years, we have manufactured 1574 engines and overhauled 7417 engines. We have achieved a turnover of around Rs 1579 core during the financial year 2013-14," De said. The division plans an investment to the tune of over Rs 4500 crore in the next five years and the targeted growth plan by 2010 is Rs 3341 crore. Since inception, the division has manufactured and overhauled R-25, R-29B, RD-33 and AL-31FP engines to power the MiG-21 series, MiG-27M, MiG-29 and Su-30 MKI aircraft.

The division has also set up a test bed for AL-55I engines for the Intermediate Jet Trainer (IJT). It has already established a facility for production of single crystal blades for Sukhois, which can further support India's missile and unmanned combat aerial vehicle (UCAV) programmes.

Ingenious efforts on for overhauling MiG 29 engines


The division has been on the threshold of successfully launching home-grown solutions while overhauling the RD-33 (Series-3) engines of MiG 29 fighters. "There was no ToT (transfer of technology) with Russians for six uncommon aggregators (accessories) of the RD-33 (Series-3) engines. The ToT was getting delayed as the Russians were demanding additional funds. The ToT would have come only by 2016, prompting us to initiate the indigenous programme," says Arup Chatterjee, Officiating Chief of Project (Engines), while interacting with the media. He said the IAF had bought over 100 engines from the Russians in 2007. "With the engines started coming for overhaul, we developed technologies for three out of the six uncommon aggregators successfully.

The remaining three are targeted to be developed within HAL by June 2015. This has given us self-confidence for meeting our indigenous missions," Chatterjee added. Similarly, HAL also developed an overhaul technology for the KSA-2 accessory gearbox of RD-33 engines, which has been cleared by the certifying agencies now.

Sukhoi facility on full throttle

The Sukhoi (Su-30 MKI) engine facility is a marvel by itself with some of the gen-next technologies already being used, including a robotic welding system. Speaking to OneIndia, Rajaram Mohanty, Officiating General Manager (Sukhoi Engine Divison), said that a total of 23 engines have been made from the raw material phase now. "The division has so far manufactured close to 280 engines (AL-31FP) for the Sukhois, while around 158 have been overhauled. The first engine from the raw material phase was rolled out during 2011-12. We are also fully equipped for the long testing (three months) of Sukhoi engines," says Rajaram. The TBO (Time Between Overhaul) of a Sukhoi engine is 1000 hours, while the total lifespan of an engine is 2000 hours. HAL hopes that it will be able to generate more employment when the Indo-Russian Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) project takes a firm shape.

High Altitude Test Bed in the pipeline

The division estimated over Rs 1500 crore towards setting up a High Altitude Test Bed facility. "Once the test bed goes live, India will be the 4th country in the world who can boast of such a state-of-the-art facility to test new engines," says Ashish Kumar Roy, Chief of Projects (IJT & Services), while interacting with the media. The Gas Turbine Research Establishment (GTRE) officials have already visited HAL for preliminary discussions. "Availability of many water bodies in Sunabeda is a huge plus for this project as the water consumption will be more. In addition, power supply is another factor which the state government will have to take a call," says Roy. The facility will be able to simulate the actual condition of an engine when an aircraft will be in flight. HAL plans a business model to earn revenues from the facility by supporting other projects from India and abroad.

Tyagi says the flight-path for next 50 years set

HAL Chairman R K Tyagi refused to take any credit for propelling the division ever since he took over the reins of the company in 2012. While the employees of Koraput Division credit Tyagi for reviving their fortunes, the soft-spoken man said: "It was part of my job." Interestingly, till recently a posting to Koraput was not favoured by many due to its remoteness. "All I saw was an opportunity for Koraput Division to grow. While distance might be a problem for the people in general, in aerospace we can cut short the distances through innovations and inspiring decisions," says Tyagi. He said the frequent visits to the division acted as a huge morale-booster to the employees of Koraput Division. "I did my job as the captain of HAL. The flight-path for the next 50 years for Koraput has been scripted and there's no looking back," says Tyagi.

(The writer is a seasoned aerospace and defence journalist in India. He is the Consultant Editor (Defence) with OneIndia. He tweets @writetake.)
 

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