Kaveri Engine

[Armand2REP]

Dude! No news means they don't have any news to sell, it doesn't mean nothing is happened in Kaveri front and Kaveri being separated from LCA programme also doesn't mean work on Kaveri development has stopped. What can I can say more about it when your logic made you such an illogical conclusion like that.

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When the government tells you the project is closed, that means it has ended. There is no news because there is no funding for the project. c'est fini

 

[Vijyes]

When the government tells you the project is closed, that means it has ended. There is no news because there is no funding for the project. c'est fini

Government didn't tell anything like it. It was some news speculation

 

[Armand2REP]

Government didn't tell anything like it. It was some news speculation

It is a well published fact that they abandoned the Kaveri project. There is a new dry thrust engine based off it being developed for the Ghatak. One project ends, another begins. It is the way of R&D.

 

[Vijyes]

It is a well published fact that they abandoned the Kaveri project. There is a new dry thrust engine based off it being developed for the Ghatak. One project ends, another begins. It is the way of R&D.

Ghatak is kaveri itself but without afterburner. Also, Kaveri may be used for Rafales. Kaveri for LCA is dead as LCA itself is dead with 123 orders and replacement with MWF

 

[Immanuel]

Ghatak is kaveri itself but without afterburner. Also, Kaveri may be used for Rafales. Kaveri for LCA is dead as LCA itself is dead with 123 orders and replacement with MWF

Lol, let's first hope to put Kaveri on LCA before we dream of negotiating the integration of this engine of foreign aircraft that already has a reliable and proven engine which is already being uprated for F4 version. Kaveri will not be allowed to go on the Rafale. Heck even IAF won't allow it.

 

[Armand2REP]

Ghatak is kaveri itself but without afterburner. Also, Kaveri may be used for Rafales. Kaveri for LCA is dead as LCA itself is dead with 123 orders and replacement with MWF

Kaveri for LCA is dead, Kaveri for AMCA is dead... it isn't coming back, at least not under that name. F414 is the engine of choice for all further fighter development. It is too bad GoI didn't accept the Safran cored option but they placed their faith with the Americans. We will see what that brings.

 

[Vijyes]

Lol, let's first hope to put Kaveri on LCA before we dream of negotiating the integration of this engine of foreign aircraft that already has a reliable and proven engine which is already being uprated for F4 version. Kaveri will not be allowed to go on the Rafale. Heck even IAF won't allow it.

M88 is uprated to F4 version? Do you even know what F4 is? F4 is upgrading of Rafale avionics and sensors, not engine.

 

[Vijyes]

Kaveri for LCA is dead, Kaveri for AMCA is dead... it isn't coming back, at least not under that name. F414 is the engine of choice for all further fighter development. It is too bad GoI didn't accept the Safran cored option but they placed their faith with the Americans. We will see what that brings.

F414is only for development trials. Who gave the information that F414 is for final configuration? The engine thrust is clearly mentioned to be 110kN which F414 can't provide. So, how can it be an engine of choice for MWF or AMCA? Do you think 17.5ton MToW will happen with 98kN engine without compromising speed or maneuverability?

 

[Armand2REP]

F414is only for development trials. Who gave the information that F414 is for final configuration? The engine thrust is clearly mentioned to be 110kN which F414 can't provide. So, how can it be an engine of choice for MWF or AMCA? Do you think 17.5ton MToW will happen with 98kN engine without compromising speed or maneuverability?

F414 is going to power everything, Mk1A, Mk2 MWF, AMCA... everything.

 

[G10]

F414 EPE variant has 120KN thrust.

 

[Immanuel]

M88 is uprated to F4 version? Do you even know what F4 is? F4 is upgrading of Rafale avionics and sensors, not engine.

https://www.defenseworld.net/news/1..._For_Dassault_Rafale_Fighter_Jet#.XRS5-VUzZpg

https://www.latribune.fr/entreprise...de-la-poussee-du-moteur-du-rafale-556605.html

https://www.edrmagazine.eu/french-defence-minister-launches-rafale-f4-programme

https://www.safran-aircraft-engines.com/military-engines/training-and-combat-aircraft/m88

Read up before responding to me. Don't waste my time.

 

[Immanuel]

F414is only for development trials. Who gave the information that F414 is for final configuration? The engine thrust is clearly mentioned to be 110kN which F414 can't provide. So, how can it be an engine of choice for MWF or AMCA? Do you think 17.5ton MToW will happen with 98kN engine without compromising speed or maneuverability?

Seems like you missed that part where India ordered 99 F414s and where over 2+ test engines are already delivered.

Till GOI, MOD or any official source confirms Kaveri is ready for flight trials on LCA, it isn't. Count a good 3-4 years on LSPs before it considered fit to go on the LCA. It won't power the MMF (not enough thrust).

http://delhidefencereview.com/2019/...ows-a-pair-becomes-the-medium-weight-fighter/

F414 EPE will power the AMCA

 

[Vijyes]

Seems like you missed that part where India ordered 99 F414s and where over 2+ test engines are already delivered.

Till GOI, MOD or any official source confirms Kaveri is ready for flight trials on LCA, it isn't. Count a good 3-4 years on LSPs before it considered fit to go on the LCA. It won't power the MMF (not enough thrust).

http://delhidefencereview.com/2019/...ows-a-pair-becomes-the-medium-weight-fighter/

F414 EPE will power the AMCA

MWF & AMCA needs 110kN engines and that will be K10. F414 is not engine of choice. It was 99 F404 that was ordered. I don't see F414 being delivered except for the 2 engines delivered for trials. Kaveri will never be used in LCA as LCA is a dead project and India already has enough F404 for LCA in stock.

 

[Vijyes]

F414 EPE variant has 120KN thrust.

This EPE is in development just like MWF. We can't just assume that the development will be completed and trials held before MWF. EPE is in same stage as Indian 110kN K10 and hence no reason to speak of EPE now.

 

[Immanuel]

MWF & AMCA needs 110kN engines and that will be K10. F414 is not engine of choice. It was 99 F404 that was ordered. I don't see F414 being delivered except for the 2 engines delivered for trials. Kaveri will never be used in LCA as LCA is a dead project and India already has enough F404 for LCA in stock.

Nigga Please

https://www.geaviation.com/press-re...ted-power-india-light-combat-aircraft-program

The F414-GE-INS6 is the highest-thrust F414 model and includes state-of-the-art technology to meet India's demanding Air Force and Naval requirements. Technical advances include a Full Authority Digital Electronic Control (FADEC) and added single-engine safety features.

"We are extremely pleased with the ADA's decision and are confident India's technical expertise will help enhance the F414-powered LCA's mission superiority well into the 21st century," said Tony Mathis, general manager of Lynn Military Systems programs at GE Aviation.

This selection follows earlier orders of 24 F404 GE engines in 2007, plus an initial 2004 purchase of 17 F404 engines to power a limited series of operational production aircraft and naval prototypes

You again seemed to have missed the fact that F414INS6 will power the LCA mk-2 AKA MWF.

Why would GE deliver more than 2 or half a dozen when there isn't an aircraft yet, deliveries will resume when actually needed.

There is no K-10 engine that has left the drawing board, let alone begin prototyping.

LCA MK-1A will use the F404 (engines will be ordered only when there is a firm order for the LCA MK-1A)

 

[Vijyes]

Nigga Please

https://www.geaviation.com/press-re...ted-power-india-light-combat-aircraft-program

The F414-GE-INS6 is the highest-thrust F414 model and includes state-of-the-art technology to meet India's demanding Air Force and Naval requirements. Technical advances include a Full Authority Digital Electronic Control (FADEC) and added single-engine safety features.

"We are extremely pleased with the ADA's decision and are confident India's technical expertise will help enhance the F414-powered LCA's mission superiority well into the 21st century," said Tony Mathis, general manager of Lynn Military Systems programs at GE Aviation.

This selection follows earlier orders of 24 F404 GE engines in 2007, plus an initial 2004 purchase of 17 F404 engines to power a limited series of operational production aircraft and naval prototypes

You again seemed to have missed the fact that F414INS6 will power the LCA mk-2 AKA MWF.

Why would GE deliver more than 2 or half a dozen when there isn't an aircraft yet, deliveries will resume when actually needed.

There is no K-10 engine that has left the drawing board, let alone begin prototyping.

LCA MK-1A will use the F404 (engines will be ordered only when there is a firm order for the LCA MK-1A)

You sell the engine when orders are placed. What is USA concern if India has planes or not? IF order is placed, they must sell. Else, why place order 10 years in advance?

By the way, K10 and F414-EPE are in same stage. EPE has not even been ground tested. It is just desirable specs that is being mentioned. So, talk of EPE after developmental trials start,

 

[Immanuel]

https://idrw.org/general-electric-offers-india-a-new-engine-for-mwf-and-amca-fighter-program/

As far as thrust is concerned, not an issue the F414 EPE or Enhanced Engine like they call it will be incorporated with the MWF since only 8 F414INS6 engines have been delivered, they still have 90+ to deliver.

 

[Immanuel]

You sell the engine when orders are placed. What is USA concern if India has planes or not? IF order is placed, they must sell. Else, why place order 10 years in advance?

By the way, K10 and F414-EPE are in same stage. EPE has not even been ground tested. It is just desirable specs that is being mentioned. So, talk of EPE after developmental trials start,

LCA MK-2 was sanctioned in Nov. 2009, Engine selection done by 2010, First flight was planned for 2014 and series production to begin in 2016. Then we took the plan and shat on it. GE delivered their first engine in 2015 and they deliver a couple a year.

As for GE deliveries, they have plenty of orders for the F414 till late next decade, planning delivery of next lots isn't difficult especially since they are working closely with ADA and HAL on the project since the start.

K-10 is on the drawing board till you can show me an official source that shows that it isn't or that it's further down the line, it's nothing more than a complex diagram.

EPE or Enhanced engine will be delivered to USN in 2020 with the new orders of Block 3 SHs, also to Kuwait.

https://therepublicword.blogspot.com/2018/12/us-navy-orders-f414-ge-400-engines-for.html

To say K-10 is in the same stage as the EPE is stupidity. EPE is growth version of one of the most proven & reliable engines ever made the F414. K-10 is a not existent version of an engine which is the most reliably delayed fighter engine program in Asia if not the world.

While it could be that the F414-INS6 powers the MK-1A (would be a nice surprise) but IAF and MOD need to place orders.

The 99 engine order comes with an option for 40 more. They could use these engines to power the MK-1A and order more when MWF is ready.

 

[shiphone]

come on,not again

F414-GE-400 =/= EPE...
it's just the 98KN engine............https://www.geaviation.com/military/engines/f414-engine

the so called EPE/EDE is not seen yet.

 

[Vijyes]

LCA MK-2 was sanctioned in Nov. 2009, Engine selection done by 2010, First flight was planned for 2014 and series production to begin in 2016. Then we took the plan and shat on it. GE delivered their first engine in 2015 and they deliver a couple a year.

As for GE deliveries, they have plenty of orders for the F414 till late next decade, planning delivery of next lots isn't difficult especially since they are working closely with ADA and HAL on the project since the start.

K-10 is on the drawing board till you can show me an official source that shows that it isn't or that it's further down the line, it's nothing more than a complex diagram.

EPE or Enhanced engine will be delivered to USN in 2020 with the new orders of Block 3 SHs, also to Kuwait.

https://therepublicword.blogspot.com/2018/12/us-navy-orders-f414-ge-400-engines-for.html

To say K-10 is in the same stage as the EPE is stupidity. EPE is growth version of one of the most proven & reliable engines ever made the F414. K-10 is a not existent version of an engine which is the most reliably delayed fighter engine program in Asia if not the world.

While it could be that the F414-INS6 powers the MK-1A (would be a nice surprise) but IAF and MOD need to place orders.

The 99 engine order comes with an option for 40 more. They could use these engines to power the MK-1A and order more when MWF is ready.

Where is EPE engine? I only see F414-G400. I don't see EPE anywhere.

Also, as I said, why USA is not delivering F414 to India? Isn't it delivered according to order date? If India orders engines, it has to be delivered before delivering to customers who order it after India. USA has no business in peeping about Indian development of MWF or AMCA. It is purely commercial transaction without any further linkages. Not delivering it raises question about the order itself - whether there was an order for 100 F414 at all?