Kaveri Engine

[dineshchaturvedi]

JV with Snecma for LCA engine is currently waste of time. Already falling short in fighters and projected delayed considerably. The only current solution is to buy the engine. JV may be done fr AMCA engine.

Agreed for current requirement we should buy engine and we should de-link Kaveri with any of our fighter projects. At the same time it is necessary to keep building our own, since we will need independence in this area.

 

[Aathithya2]

Kaveri engine on path to become flight worthy
BY: IDRW NEWS NETWORK

Defence minister yesterday in parliament declared that GTRE has successfully carried out Altitude testing where Kaveri K-9 under belly of IL-76 aircraft carried out different engine performance simulation at various altitude and second part of testing will see that working engine from IL-76 will be replaced by Kaveri K-9 engine and this engine will actually power the aircraft .

Tests have been conducted currently at at Gromov Flight Research Institute (GFRI), Russia, on a IL-76 Flying Test Bed (FTB) ,after this trials are successfully , GTRE will integrate the kaveri engine with a Tejas Air frame (Mostly likely PV-1) and plans to have its first test flight by end of 2010 or early 2011.

http://idrw.org/?p=140

 

[luckyy]

JV with Snecma for LCA engine is currently waste of time. Already falling short in fighters and projected delayed considerably. The only current solution is to buy the engine. JV may be done fr AMCA engine.

we will be only paying a little royelty in JV with Snecma for LCA engine ,
if we buy F141 or EJ200 , we will be paying the entire cost.....and we may also not get the tech ...export of LCA will also suffer due to re-export nomes...

 

[icecoolben]

Kaveri-gtre engine would be required in a sense that Us fronts for a ge-rolls royce engine for f-35. The ej-200 or ej-230 whichever ada adopts for tejas mk-2 will cost $ 10 million per piece. A joint venture engine would lower the cost substancially and m-88 is a 850 kg engine and ej-200 a 950 kg engine, so the former would provide a better thrust to wt ratio, even for a 90 kn engine, which fits asqr. For all the drama of not choosing the f414 for being american, ej-200 has vital components manufactured by goodrick an american company, thus requiring Us approval for export and re-export. With the rafale emerging a front runner, there is every chance that production of gtre-snecma kaveri2 engine would have a production run of 300 thus making the production run to achieve break even. For all the talk, when a CAG report comes out, all the economic mismanagement comes out, no action could be initiated cos we would have lost out on giving a chance to local industry. I am open for all the ventures possible, if ej-200 tech could be incorporated into kaveri-1 to create a 90 kn engine well and good, if a gtre-snecma kaveri-2 could do the same even better. The user should be given a cost effective option.

 

[rakesh]

GTRE is running two separate program for engine, the two different platforms are K9+ Program and the K 10 Program


Can anyone explain what is this?

Is this two prototype?

 

[vijay jagannathan]

borrowed from wiki "In July 2007, GTRE divided Kaveri program into two separate programs. They are K9+ Program and K 10 Program. K9+ Program is a program to prove concept of complete design and gain hand-on experience of aircraft engine integration and flight trials to cover a defined truncated flight envelope prior to the launch of production version of K10 Standard engine. While K 10 Program is a Joint Venture (JV) partnership with a foreign engine manufacturer. K 10 program engine will be final production standard Kaveri engine and shall have less weight and more reheat thrust along with certain other changes to meet the original design intent."

 

[icecoolben]

the french have been awefully quiet even after CCS gave go ahead for kaveri-snecma engine. I expected them atleast smoke a little that their k-10 would bring commonality to rafale and tejas to up rafale prospects in mmrca. anyone enlighten??

 

[nitesh]

The Pioneer > Online Edition : >> Success eludes project Kaveri

 

[Godless-Kafir]

I have been bugging Shiv Arror and Ajai Shukla to cover more on the Kaveri engine, if this engine works it puts HAL in the league of Boeing and Airbus. Not even Emberar and Bombardier can manufacture engines. This will open an gate way to another dimension, literally.

 

[vijay jagannathan]

comeon guys we really need some info on how kaveri is doing and what has been achieved so far. this is a far more interesting thread than the MRCA which will come to a logical conclusion. but with Kaveri we never know. we need to get down also to the reality that the JV still hasn't been inked and who has been ultimately chosen. Looks like the Russians are doing the job right now.

 

[Tshering22]

Kaveri seems to be passing all the tests but somehow has no definite future path till now defined. DRDO has not said anything about where they intend to use Kaveri. Tejas Mk.2 is not even come out of paper till now and they're still yet to choose a foreign engine for the same. I heard that IAF wants a 100% indigenous AMCA for induction with:

- indigenous AESA radar
- indigenous low-bypass afterburning turbofan engines (assumed Kaveri here).
- indigenous airframe and structures
- indigenous avionics, mission computers, weapons control systems etc.

With nothing on the news, I don't know what are DRDO and HAL going to give IAF by 2020-25.

 

[Param]

Kaveri seems to be passing all the tests but somehow has no definite future path till now defined. DRDO has not said anything about where they intend to use Kaveri. Tejas Mk.2 is not even come out of paper till now and they're still yet to choose a foreign engine for the same. I heard that IAF wants a 100% indigenous AMCA for induction with:

- indigenous AESA radar
- indigenous low-bypass afterburning turbofan engines (assumed Kaveri here).
- indigenous airframe and structures
- indigenous avionics, mission computers, weapons control systems etc.

With nothing on the news, I don't know what are DRDO and HAL going to give IAF by 2020-25.

15 years is a long time. Just be patient.

 

[nitesh]

all the best:

Livefist - The Best of Indian Defence: KAVERI UPDATE: Critical Flight Tests On IL-76 Testbed This October
KAVERI UPDATE: Critical Flight Tests On IL-76 Testbed This October


i) All major engine sub-assemblies have been tested for aerodynamic performance and structural integrity (life & safety) requirements from qualification point of view.
(ii) Critical sub-systems have been developed.
(iii) Full authority Kaveri Digital engine Control System (KADECS) has been designed and developed.
(iv) Various critical technologies in the fields of instrumentation/measurement, health monitoring, data acquisition, etc. have been developed.
(v) Twelve materials (Titanium, Steel and super alloys) have been developed and type certified.
(vi) Directionally Solidified (DS) casting technology and high temperature tip brazing technology for the High Pressure and Low Pressure turbine blades & vanes have been developed.
(vii) Adequate manufacturing technology base has been established.

The reasons for the delay in developing the said engine are as follows:

(i) Non-availability of critical materials, viz., nickel and titanium based alloys in the country.
(ii) Low priority from foreign manufacturing agencies in view of the Minimum Order Quantity (MOQ) vis-à-vis the production order quantity from other engine houses.
(iii) Lack of manufacturing infrastructure for critical components.
(iv) Flying Test Bed (FTB) trials were not originally envisaged but included subsequently, based on the recommendations of Certification Agency and IAF.
(v) US sanctions imposed during 1998 affected the delivery of critical systems & components.
(vi) Lack of infrastructure of engine testing and component / system level testing within the country leading to dependency on foreign agencies.

Kaveri engine testing under simulated altitude and forward speed conditions during February 2010 has been successfully completed. Another engine has been integrated with IL-76 aircraft at Gromov Flight Research Institute (GFRI), Moscow for ground and flight test which is expected to complete by October 2010 (sic). These two major milestones would make 'Kaveri' engine certified for flight operations. Productions of LCAs are, meanwhile, as decided by user, being fitted with imported engines.

 

[SHASH2K2]

The Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) is developing Kaveri engine for Light Comber Aircraft (LCA). The technologies / productions of Kaveri engine which attained maturity during the development process are given below:



(i) All major engine sub-assemblies have been tested for aerodynamic performance and structural integrity (life & safety) requirements from qualification point of view.

(ii) Critical sub-systems have been developed.

(iii) Full authority Kaveri Digital engine Control System (KADECS) has been designed and developed.

(iv) Various critical technologies in the fields of instrumentation/measurement, health monitoring, data acquisition, etc. have been developed.

(v) Twelve materials (Titanium, Steel and super alloys) have been developed and type certified.

(vi) Directionally Solidified (DS) casting technology and high temperature tip brazing technology for the High Pressure and Low Pressure turbine blades & vanes have been developed.

(vii) Adequate manufacturing technology base has been established.



The reasons for the delay in developing the said engine are as follows:-



(i) Non-availability of critical materials, viz., nickel and titanium based alloys in the country.

(ii) Low priority from foreign manufacturing agencies in view of the Minimum Order Quantity (MOQ) vis-à-vis the production order quantity from other engine houses.

(iii) Lack of manufacturing infrastructure for critical components.

(iv) Flying Test Bed (FTB) trials were not originally envisaged but included subsequently, based on the recommendations of Certification Agency and IAF.

(v) US sanctions imposed during 1998 affected the delivery of critical systems & components.

(vi) Lack of infrastructure of engine testing and component / system level testing within the country leading to dependency on foreign agencies.



Kaveri engine testing under simulated altitude and forward speed conditions during February 2010 has been successfully completed. Another engine has been integrated with IL-76 aircraft at Gromov Flight Research Institute (GFRI), Moscow for ground and flight test which is expected to complete by October 2010.



These two major milestones would make 'Kaveri' engine certified for flight operations. Productions of LCAs are, meanwhile, as decided by user, being fitted with imported engines. The details of funds allocated and utilized year wise, during the last three years, are as under:



Financial Year


Allocation

(Rs. in crore)


Expenditure

(Rs in crore)

2007-2008


157.05


152.51

2008-2009


153.54


153.54

2009-2010


123.20


122.06



This information was given by Defence Minister Shri AK Antony in written reply to Shri N Balaganga in Rajya Sabha today.

PIB Press Release

 

[sayareakd]

MODEL OF THE TU-16 WHICH WILL BE USED HAS A TEST BED FOR KAVERI ENGINE (RIGHT BELOW THE WINGS YOU CAN SEE THE PROPOSED PLACE WHERE ENGINE WILL BE PLACED FOR TESTING )

 

[vijay jagannathan]

well well well someone finally heard me and look there is a update by GOI on kaveri in the livefist blog. what would have been interetsing and vital for us perhaps after all the wait are the performance parameters that are held back. passing high altitude test simply means nothing. were the objectives of thrust realised at high altitude ??

why is there silence on single crystal technology? how is this being addressed. i want more answers from GOI.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Agantrope]

People, any authentic info on the technical specifications?

Last i heard it is same as GE 404IN, but heavy weight champion, Any gurus with info please enlighten.

 

[rakesh]

PHOTOS: Kaveri Turbine Components & Early Thermodynamic Testing

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_o_no4M2xEPY/THbF9uwUHjI/AAAAAAAALJI/pdn69363k8I/s1600/kaveri5-742622.JPG
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_o_no4M2xEPY/THbF-SNY_zI/AAAAAAAALJQ/55rwN6prpSY/s1600/kaveri3-744597.JPG
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_o_no4M2xEPY/THbF-sacRYI/AAAAAAAALJY/tudjE4ZuG5c/s1600/kaveri4-746297.JPG


A few quick points. There are eight Kaveri engines in existence today and four Kabini cores. The engine that will be tested on an Il-76 test-bed this October at Russia's Gromov institute will be one of the eight samples that already exists -- not a Kaveri with a Snecma M88 ECO core, which does not exist yet; GTRE has only completed preliminary design and configuration for the 90kN Kaveri-ECO engine.

 

[o'conor]

GTRE has only completed preliminary design and configuration for the 90kN Kaveri-ECO engine.

90kn thrust really?? thats comparable to GE & EJ engines which we are currently considering for tejas mk2. I wonder than why cant we fast track its development & use it in tejas mk2 instead!!, As mk2 is only going to come in after 3-4yrs.

 

[Godless-Kafir]

all the best:

Livefist - The Best of Indian Defence: KAVERI UPDATE: Critical Flight Tests On IL-76 Testbed This October
KAVERI UPDATE: Critical Flight Tests On IL-76 Testbed This October


i) All major engine sub-assemblies have been tested for aerodynamic performance and structural integrity (life & safety) requirements from qualification point of view.
(ii) Critical sub-systems have been developed.
(iii) Full authority Kaveri Digital engine Control System (KADECS) has been designed and developed.
(iv) Various critical technologies in the fields of instrumentation/measurement, health monitoring, data acquisition, etc. have been developed.
(v) Twelve materials (Titanium, Steel and super alloys) have been developed and type certified.
(vi) Directionally Solidified (DS) casting technology and high temperature tip brazing technology for the High Pressure and Low Pressure turbine blades & vanes have been developed.
(vii) Adequate manufacturing technology base has been established.

The reasons for the delay in developing the said engine are as follows:

(i) Non-availability of critical materials, viz., nickel and titanium based alloys in the country.
(ii) Low priority from foreign manufacturing agencies in view of the Minimum Order Quantity (MOQ) vis-à-vis the production order quantity from other engine houses.
(iii) Lack of manufacturing infrastructure for critical components.
(iv) Flying Test Bed (FTB) trials were not originally envisaged but included subsequently, based on the recommendations of Certification Agency and IAF.
(v) US sanctions imposed during 1998 affected the delivery of critical systems & components.
(vi) Lack of infrastructure of engine testing and component / system level testing within the country leading to dependency on foreign agencies.

Kaveri engine testing under simulated altitude and forward speed conditions during February 2010 has been successfully completed. Another engine has been integrated with IL-76 aircraft at Gromov Flight Research Institute (GFRI), Moscow for ground and flight test which is expected to complete by October 2010 (sic). These two major milestones would make 'Kaveri' engine certified for flight operations. Productions of LCAs are, meanwhile, as decided by user, being fitted with imported engines.

Looks like my bugging them has produced some results. I must thank Shiv Arror for this wonderful write up but its simply not enough information on our secret weapons projects and the only beneficiaries are the people who get rich because of these fund allocations just like the common wealth games. God know how much a nut and washer is charged.

We really need good documentaries like Future Weapons on our own DRDOs achievements.