K-15 Shaurya

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Well yes we do, firstly because US hasn't made any new Ballistic Missiles in a long time, they have only been upgrading theirs for some time now. Their new cruise missiles, ATACMS, GMLRS etc are also single digit accurate. When it comes to accuracy, All the services are very stringent on those requirements and hence DRDO has to deliver. Furthermore, India has mastered missile accuracy.

BRAHMOS SUPER SONIC INDIAN CRUISE MISSILE TEST VIDEO - YouTube

Simple video of Brahmos missile tests will confirm this. They have worked hard to get such accuracy for brahmos which allows it to home in accurately at nearly mach 3, only maneuvering supersonic missile that can do that.
 

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I am waiting for the day the K-15 is tested from the Arihant. Brahmos is good but its range is a handicap, it can only be used for tactical strikes on the battlefield. But given Shourya's range of 750-1000 km its a good choice for the armed forces.
 

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I am waiting for the day the K-15 is tested from the Arihant. Brahmos is good but its range is a handicap, it can only be used for tactical strikes on the battlefield. But given Shourya's range of 750-1000 km its a good choice for the armed forces.

Even that isn't enough. We need that 3500 km K-4..
 

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wait for K4 guys till then K15 would be good.

this is what that news from DRDO says

With Shourya ready for production and its under-water cousin, K-15, already under production, the DRDO's sights are set on K-4 missile, which will be launched from a submarine. After K-4 is launched under water, it will knife up to the surface and can target places 3,000 km away. "Various systems of K-4 are under development," a DRDO official said.
just keep looking at K4 here this is for real
 
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Shaurya is a hybrid engine missile & will be used as second strike option. That is what makes it different from brahmos. Unlike brahmos, many of its specs & performance characteristics are not known to all ;)

In that fighting hour, our enemy can succeed in detecting brahmos launchers but detecting that of shaurya? Well it'll be ghost hunting :heh:


He needs to time to translate from Chinese.
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i guess shaurya missile is a very good option for indo-china border,coz the hypersonic missile which can reach a velocity of Mach 7.5 even at low altitudes and with a surface temperature of 700{+0} Celsius. The missile performs rolls to spread the heat uniformly on its surface. Himalayan weather could server as a temperature reduction element in high speeds (i'm just guessing). or i wonder if the cold weather which means heavy air/atmosphere could produce lot of drag to the missile. but still the missile is been briefed as a highly maneuverable missile with low altitude flight can also reach higher machs at this conditions.

can anyone who have more knowledge about the dynamics, please put a thought
 

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K series Missiles Discussion Sheet & NEWS

K series missiles :

Named after India's missile man, former President APJ Abdul Kalam, the nuclear-capable K-series missiles are quite significant new-generation counter-strike strategic missiles. The top secret indigenous "K" missiles are faster, lighter and stealthier. They also make India only the sixth country to develop undersea strategic missiles.

SAGARIKA or K15 or B-O5 :

Sagarika,or K-15, or B-05isa submarine-launched quasi ballisticmissilecurrently under development for use on INS Arihant, India's first nuclear-powered submarine.

Features

Sagarika,or K-15, or B-05isa submarine-launched quasi ballisticmissilecurrently under development for use on INS Arihant, India's first nuclear-powered submarine.

The solid propellant,two stage K-15 missileisreportedly 6.5m long, 1m in diameter, weighs 7 tons and carries a 500 kg warhead to a range of approximately 700 km (435 miles).

The missilecan carry both nuclear and conventional warheads.

The land basedversion of the K-15 is called theShourya.

The missilewasdesigned and developed at Defence Research and Development Laboratory (DRDL), the Advanced Systems Laboratory (ASL) provided the motors and propulsion systems.The Research Centre, Imarat (RCI) developed its avionics, including control and guidancesystemsand inertial navigation systems.

The land basedversion of the K-15 is called the Shourya.

Flight Trajectory

The K-15 is a two stage, solid fueled weapon with characteristicsof bothballistic and cruise missiles. Unlike conventional cruise missile, which cruise at extremely low altitudes and subsonic speeds using turbo fan engines, Sagarikacruisesatextremely high altitudes at hypersonic speeds using rocket power.

Quasi Ballistic Missile

The Sagarikacan beclassified as a quasi ballisticmissile.

A quasi ballisticmissiles doesn't follow a pure ballistic trajectory. It stays within the atmosphere and fliesto its targets at hypersonic speeds, performing maneuvers to confuse enemy defenses. Its time to target is considerably less than that of a ballistic missile,givingtheenemylesser reaction time.

The Sagarika is comparableto Russia's Iskander missile that can cruise at hypersonic speed of Mach 6 - 7 at a height of 50 km and maneuver to evade ballisticmissiledefenses. The Iskander-M weighs 4,615 kg and carries a warhead of 710 –800 kg to a range of 480 km, achieving a CEP of 5 – 7 m.

Sagarika Trajectory

The Sagarika'sfirststagetakes it to an altitude of 7km. The second stage lofts it further up to 40 kms. The missilethen flipsoverand fliesatconstant altitude at seven times the speed of sound likea cruise missile.

During the endgame, the missileguidesitselfto the target maneuvering with the help of fins to evade missile defenses and strike within 20-30m of its target 750 km away.

The missile'sflat trajectory, hypersonic speed and small cross-section make tracking and interception difficult.

Speaking to the press at DefExpo 2010, DRDO Chief VK Sarsawat described the K-15's land based version, Shourya, as being "Like a ballisticmissile,it is powered by solid fuel. And, like a cruise missile,itcan guide itself right up to the target."

Status

The missileisin serial production but has not been fitted to any platform.

Tests

India has tested the K-15 missilesover10times,DRDO Chief VK Saraswat told a press conference on March 31, 2012, during DefExpo 2012. [via Deccan Herald]

He also confirmed that DRDO successfully tested themissile twice in March 2012. The missileswerelaunched from a pontoon. The tests were not announced immediately following their tests, though there were press reports that the tests are impending.

CNN-IBN had reported that DRDO is prepping for two tests of the missile, the first on March 4, and the second between March 16 and 19.

Indian Express earlierreported that the missile is scheduled to be test-fired from a pontoon from a depth of 20 m off Vizag in the last week of February.

A defense official told the newspaper on February 13, 2012, "The snags have been fixed and we hope this time the missilewill besuccessfully test-fired in full deployment mode."

A test of the missile was initially scheduled for January 31, 2011. However, despite several attempts the missile could not be tested during 2011 due to technical problems.

Early Development and Testing

India successfully tested the 'Sagarika' missileundertheK-15 project on February 26, 2008, off the coast of Visakhapatnam from a pontoon simulating the conditions of a submarine.

The pontoon used for launch was connected with a cable to a nearby ship thathad the missile's fire control systems.The ship and the pontoon were both unmanned.

Following the test a DRDO official said, the test of the missilewasn't itsfirst.

"We have done it earlier a few times although it went by different names," the source said. [via Hindu]

It has been reported that the missilehasbeentested a total of six times. Two tests were partially successful and the remaining four fully successful.

At launch,a gas-charged booster pushes the missile to the surface, when the first stage of the missile ignites.
 
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K-4 SLBM


Introduction

The 3,500km range missileis earmarked for use on India's Arihant nuclear powered submarines. The existence of the missile was first leaked to the press in November 2010. The K-4 missilewill replace the 750km range K-15 missilesthat will initially arm INS Arihant.

Missile Dimensions

Lenght: 10 m Diameter 1.3m Weight: 20 tons Last tested in January 2010 Next test planned for January 2011 Missile to beinducted by 2017

The missilewill eventually have a range of 3,500km

Arihant submarinecan carry either four K-4 missilesor 12 750Km range K-15s

A longer, 5,000 km range, 12 m long version of the K-15 is under development for future.
 

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Shourya :

Shourya is a nuclear capable hypersonic missile developed from the Sagarika missiledeveloped undertheK-15 project. Shourya is being offered to the services as an important component of the Indian quest for a credibleland based nuclear deterrent. The missileisalso knownby the designation B-05.

Shourya is a surface-to-surface tactical missilewith a rangeof 750-km and a payload of about one ton, for use by the Army and Navy. It can carry both conventional as well as nuclear warheads.

The missilerangeislikelyto be much longer with a lighter nuclear warhead.

It has been designed as a canister stored and launched missileforuseby theArmy and for launch from submerged submarines.

The missile'swarhead can manoeuvre to evade enemy defenses.
 

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Just wondering how some projects like K series missiles, Prahar, Arihant etc have been kept secret and developed much faster than any other projects in India; and that too without much pomp and fare. K 15 missile in production line too ??? Too good to believe !!!
 

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The answer to above probably lies here :

The K-missiles are indigenously developed by a programme staffed by AT scientists but report to the ATV chief and the National Security Adviser. The Agni and Prithvi missiles are wholly DRDO-developed and are handled by the DRDO chief.

The classified report prepared by former navy chief Admiral Arun Prakash remains the only comprehensive internal assessment of India's strategic missile programme. It listed all the flaws in the strategic missiles in service-the Prithvi's liquid fuel and serious doubts over the Agni's accuracy.

The most important glitch: the bulky Agni could not be compacted for carriage on the Arihant class. It meant India would have to support multiple missile production lines. The report recommended the standardisation of India's nuclear missile delivery on the K series of "universal" land and sea-based missiles-the K-15 to substitute all the Prithvis, the K-4 and its successors to replace the Agnis. The report has been buried and the matter seemingly settled in favour of the DRDO when this year, the government greenlighted development of the 5,000-km range Agni-V.
 

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The "K" programme meanwhile continues to steam ahead from its headquarters in the drdl campus on the outskirts of Hyderabad, jokingly referred to as Missile-abad. In May this year, national security adviser Shiv Shankar Menon inaugurated a limited series production facility to assemble the K-4 and K-15.

On the drawing board is an air-launched stand-off strategic missile designed to be carried by a Su-30MKI. Newer options for the strategic arsenal.
 

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well what i recall about k series is that India decided to phase out agni and prithvi missiile system in near future and replace them with more agile, deadly and effective missile system which we know by the name of K series.
just like igmdp, this k series missiles are further conceptualized to add teeth to India;s already acquired weaponry. and most importantly they thought of sea as an fort still to be won. all the k series missiles are submarine based and accordingly smaller, leaner and more powerful. though may be because of more autonomous character of drdo in present day scenario, high quality brains in the organization and more money- they made few adjustment in the system to make it usable in other terrains for ex- shaurya missile system which is land based but pontoon launched.
this is nothing new and not an exception as we now know that prahar missile is also based upon the BMD system.

the k series though will give navy what strategic force command have on land that is long range effective missile system, they are also expected to replace older and less capable agni missile systems.

as of now replacement for prithvi-1 and agni-1 are on the table in form of prahar and k-15 we may see prithvi -2 and agni-2/3 getting replaced by k-14 and yet to surface or thought of missile system.
 

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Let's hope the longer version of K series having 3500kms range gets operational soon because 700 kms is too short.
 

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K 15 submarine launched Cruise missile ?

Developed by DRDO, K-15 has both the versions, SLBM and SLCM (submarine-launched cruise missile). While the cruise missile is a loose trajectory missile guided to its destination by an onboard computer, its ballistic version has a high-trajectory and transcends the atmosphere to re-enter from above the targeted site. This K-15 missile is, in fact, an advanced clone of naval version of Prithvi and designed to be exclusively launched from a submarine. The missile can be compared with the Tomahawk missile of the US. The Navy has reportedly been insisting on the K-15's cruise variant as it is hard to be obstructed and has pinpoint accuracy. "Cruise missiles are more difficult to detect and hence less vulnerable to anti-missile defence system, which can track and destroy ballistic missiles with comparative ease," said a defence scientist.
 

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This missile is better than brahmos even if brahmos gets all the press.
Agreed cent percent. :
Uppers for brahmos.....

Supersonic cruise (Mach 2.8) gives targets little reaction time. Great destructive power from high kinetic energy impact on target Extreme flexibility in targeting range that can vary from 290 km to 25 km. Co-ordinated aircraft carrier attack ability. Evasive maneuvering at supersonic speeds. LACM variant has target discrimination and steep dive attack capability.

Some of Brahmos' vaunted features come from some serious design compromises. It's a large and heavy missile representative of a brute force approach to lethality.

There are good reasons why the Russians have not ordered Brahmos so far, reasons that go beyond their stated reluctance to rely on foreign technology. The Russians will eventually get the Brahmos because they have accepted the missiles fit on the Project 11356 frigates they recently ordered for the Russian Navy.

India funded the development of a vertical launch facility for the Brahmos missile on the Project 11356 frigates when it orderd INS Teg, INS Tarkash and INS Trikand; Russia is merely going along with the existing ship design to avoid cost escalations from any redesign to fit a different missile.

Russia's lack of enthusiasm for the Brahmos has good reasons, evident from a look at their newly developed airborne Kh-555 missile.

The Kh-555 is 6m long, weighs 1.6 ton and has a range of 3,000 kilometers with a 364kg (800 pound) conventional warhead.

In comparison, the airborne Brahmos is 8.4m, weighs 2.5 ton and has a range of 290km with a 300kg conventional warhead.

Brahmos is very large and heavy missile with a strong radar signature. Its vaunted supersonic cruise ability comes tagged with some serious vulnerabilities because it has to fly at high altitudes making detection and engagement easier.

Downers

Large size results in stronger radar signature making detection easy. High altitude cruise to achieve high Mach cruise make detection and engagement easier. Large size makes carriage on fighter aircraft difficult. The radar signature of a Su-30MKI carrying a Brahmos is likely to be embarassing.
 
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Some other points to brahmos that you did not mention:

Brahmos cost 3 million each
The TOT from Russia is still a mystery
Engines for Brahmos have not received TOT
Sukhois flying with Brahmos will fly slower and use more fuel because of the extra weight
Brahmos range is limited to 290km same applies to brahmos 2
Russia sold the missile to India with a plan to go export to others which may have been deception
Russians have no plans to cut into their yakhont. Sunburn.klubs market
Russians Are not fitting brahmos on kilo subs even after 5 years because they want to sell their klubs
Brahmos maybe overkill in some situations
Shourya is a solid fuelled mobile longer range misslie it is faster than brahmos and it may even be
Faster than brahmos 2? Or very close.
 

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