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Seriously dude, Stealth Junkie -17?

This was the when fanboisim was at its heights in pakistan regarding this
 
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Re: JF-17 obsolete and cheap aircraft, ideal for Pakistan

Seriously dude, Stealth Junkie -17?

This was the when fanboisim was at its heights in pakistan regarding this
Like Chinese helping Pakistan, Just like that Internet Chinese are making PS for Internet Pakistanis..
 

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Re: JF-17 obsolete and cheap aircraft, ideal for Pakistan

I will add some Juicy technical information about JF-17..
 

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I quoted a fact; however, this thread will be a Troll Fiesta - sooner or latter.......Adios!

No one can stop a Junk Fighter thread from turning into a Troll Orgy!
 

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JF-17`s electronic ports..



Downloading and uploading in C++ :D
 

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* Frequency : X-band
* A mechanically-steered slotted array antenna
* 14 Operational Modes
* Range more than 100 km
* Total targets tracked: 10 in TWS (Track-While-Scan) mode
* Reliability:
o MTBF (Mean Time Between Failure): 220 hours
o MTTR (Mean Time To Recovery): 0.5 hours
* Weight less than 120 kg
 

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Not bad. With 3 drop tanks, 2 BVR and 2 WVR they can run a CAP at 150 Km for at least 1.5 hours. I think it is the same for LCA and both aircraft better Mig-21/J-7 in this role by at least 2-3 times.

The PAF want this aircraft in a strike aircraft as well. So, with 3 drop tanks, 2 WVR and 2 500Kg bombs, it does the same as a Jaguar.

So, they have an aircraft that exceeds J-7 in CAP and is on par with Jaguar for strike roles. That small wing allows for greater turning capability, so that would mean a F-16 type flight characteristics in a clean profile. No idea how good it will be when payload is added. But we know that low altitude performance will be superior to LCA with current engines.

Engine needs to be changed, it is simply underpowered. Even their latest engine will only bring it on par with the currently underpowered LCA Mk1.

Electronics does not seem to be great on JF-17. The radar still needs to be worked on. It may have a larger antenna than the LCA, but that won't translate to performance if the KLJ-7 is still the same as before. But someday it will eventually be similar in performance to aircraft like F-16, Mig-29 or Mirage-2000. I don't know what EW kit the aircraft will have. I am not sure if it will carry an internal suite, but pods can be expected and will eat away a precious hardpoint. Comparatively all our aircraft will have AESA based internal EW kit, including Jags.

Overall, this aircraft is meant to fill up the numbers and replace older aircraft. While it is not something IAF would do, considering finances this is PAF's best bet.
 

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Thunder Blunder only has a payload of 3000kg+. Once you stick three fuel tanks on it won't be able to get off the ground with anything else.
 

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Thunder Blunder only has a payload of 3000kg+. Once you stick three fuel tanks on it won't be able to get off the ground with anything else.
Hmm, so those are only brochure figures.

Which means the 50 inducted JF-17s are for what? :wat:

A 3 Ton payload is too less to be a DPSA if all that goes into fuel alone. 2 tons of external fuel +1 ton of bombs, not possible.

They can manage CAP with 3 tons, but that's pushing it. The jet won't survive for long if every CAP mission is performed with drop tanks.

That would mean they will have to give up on drop tanks if they want to drop bombs. So, a smaller centerline drop tank, 2 500Kg bombs and 2 WVR, best that the JF can manage.
 

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China is taking Pakistan for a royal ride

JF 17 with even RD 93 MA is still inferior to RD 33 series 3 which India uses for Mig 29

And to TOP it ALL Chengdu has NOT made any two seat TRAINER aircraft for CONVERSION
of trained pilots to the new JF 17

The first TWO squadrons were made up by sending the experienced F 16 pilots to JF 17

Now the THIRD squadron is HUNG up because there is no trainer to train pilots for JF 17
thanks to Chengdu
 

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As far as Block 2 of JF 17 is concerned the ONLY Improvement is that KLJ 7
will NOW have a new radar called KLJ 7 V 2

There is no AESA yet SIMPLY because China itself has no AESA for its J 10

And BVR Integration of SD 10 Has NOT happened yet

SO all that JF 17 can do is drop bombs It is NOT yet a Air to air Fighter
 

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Based on the configurations it looks like the only useful pylon for drop tanks is centre line and then placing wing ordinance. Three drop tanks is just for ferry.
 

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The first TWO squadrons were made up by sending the experienced F 16 pilots to JF 17
I don't think that is correct. Did they not replace the 2 squadrons with A-5s? Ex F-16 pilots may be involved, but I don't think it is force wide. Even F-16 pilots are at a premium in PAF. There could be a mix of A-5, Mirage III/V, F-7 and F-16 pilots in the first 3 squadrons.

Now the THIRD squadron is HUNG up because there is no trainer to train pilots for JF 17
thanks to Chengdu
They are training on their Mushaks and Karakorums. A dual seat may not be entirely necessary anymore. But we can say for sure based on how this new squadron performs over the years.
 

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C/C++ is the language in which FIrmware must have been written. Download/Upload is in form of Binary Code through SPI or Parallel Port Programmer.
The JF-17 codes are written in C language and to modify and upload it use C language..

But for the data extracting process one use simple application developed for such operation..
 

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it crashed near Attock about 80 km (50 miles) west of Islamabad on November 14, 2011.
 

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