JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 Xiaolong

[DaRk WaVe]

One simple question DW does JF-17 have active homing radar good enough for BVR'S?? What is the radar??

first SD-10A firing will by the the end of this year, thats what PAF officials at Faranbrough Air Show told so, PL-5E is already testy fired

 

[LETHALFORCE]

first SD-10A firing will by the the end of this year, thats what PAF officials at Faranbrough Air Show told so, PL-5E is already testy fired

SD-10 is one for the Chinese sukhois from Russia it is not for export. PL-12 is suppose to be the export version still being developed.

SD-10, SD-10A (PL-12) (China) - Jane's Air-Launched Weapons

China's SD-10/PL-12 active-radar BVR air-to-air missile is a high priority air-to-air weapons programme that has matured into a fielded weapon and is now entering the next phase of its development. In service today, it provides the People's Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) with a sophisticated, indigenous airborne weapon to augment the Russian-designed R-27/R-77 missiles that equip the PLAAF's Sukhoi Su-27 and Su-30 force. Export sales of the SD-10 are likely to further fund future developments.SD-10 is an export designation. Chinese weapons are designated PL-12. The missile's primary development centre is thought to be the Leihua Electronic Technology Research Institute (LETRI, or Institute 607) with additional work on various aspects of the programme underway at a number of other technical centres around the country. It is possible that there are differences in capability between the export (SD-10) and national (PL-12) designs, and that two similar variants have been developed in parallel for different users. The SD-10 has been listed as part of CATIC's 'Thunder-Lightning' family of air-to-air missiles, that includes the PL-5E, PL-9C and TY-90 systems (all developed by the Luoyang Electro-Optical Technology Development Center).Some outline information regarding the SD-10 has emerged from Chinese sources where all foreign involvement in the missile's development is refuted. However, Jane's believes that China received substantial input and technology transfer from various sources in Russia, which was 'bought in' on a commercial basis and then subsumed into a closed Chinese project. Jane's understands that elements of the SD-10 programme acquired from Russian industry include;

 

[smartindian]

it can be true, whats makes you just reject everything & anything....

It has certainly got BVR capability which has which F-16A lack, there are many platforms which are not battle tested that don't make them low capability, Its not necessary to thrown them into a war & you are forgetting that JF-17s will be replacing Mirages, I can only laugh at Indians ignorance that its worse than Mirage

70% of component used in jf-17 where used in mig-23, we already decommissioned our mig 23, i think only difference is that mig-23 used two engines

 

[neo29]

ohh dear just take a look around in other forum 95% of pakistani believe that J17 is far more better then Su30 MKI

Now thats a nice joke. The USAF was surprised with MKI performance during Red Flag. There is nothing like the MKI maneuverability. MKI has proven always. Pakistani will believe anything their government says. They are very patriotic to come to terms with reality.

 

[Rajan Joshi]

One fighter aircraft is not the only factor in any war in 1962 IAF was in possesion of far better aircrafts than Chinese Air Force but what diference did it make, so its equally important how best we put them to use in hour of need. Of course 1962 proved to be an wake up call for our leadership specialy, we deffinately have come long long way technologically but do we have given enough of space to our military leadership who actually set the required strategy how best to use these mechines. And we should be more concerned about our foes strength not only their weaknesses. But you deffinately deserve appreciation for providing such an important information, thanks a ton.

 

[charlie]

One fighter aircraft is not the only factor in any war in 1962 IAF was in possesion of far better aircrafts than Chinese Air Force but what diference did it make, so its equally important how best we put them to use in hour of need. Of course 1962 proved to be an wake up call for our leadership specialy, we deffinately have come long long way technologically but do we have given enough of space to our military leadership who actually set the required strategy how best to use these mechines. And we should be more concerned about our foes strength not only their weaknesses. But you deffinately deserve appreciation for providing such an important information, thanks a ton.

in 1962 the airforce was not used to fight it was only used as a support to troops by carrying logistics and that was the biggest mistake that we made back then because at that time the whole chinese airforce was grounded because of the lack of spares from soviet union as it had a fight in 1960 with them, otherwise we would have been in benefit if we had used the airforce though the state of assam would have been completely destroyed by their bombing but still we would have been in far better position

 

[nimo_cn]

One fighter aircraft is not the only factor in any war in 1962 IAF was in possesion of far better aircrafts than Chinese Air Force but what diference did it make, so its equally important how best we put them to use in hour of need. Of course 1962 proved to be an wake up call for our leadership specialy, we deffinately have come long long way technologically but do we have given enough of space to our military leadership who actually set the required strategy how best to use these mechines. And we should be more concerned about our foes strength not only their weaknesses. But you deffinately deserve appreciation for providing such an important information, thanks a ton.

Where did you get the idea that India possessed far better aircrafts than China in 1962?

 

[civfanatic]

Where did you get the idea that India possessed far better aircrafts than China in 1962?

It's not a big secret. The PLAAF in 1962 consisted mainly of MiG-15s and J-5s, while the IAF consisted of French Ouragans and Mystere IVs plus British Hawker Hunters and Gnats.

The PLAAF had the numerical edge while the IAF had the technological edge. In that respect not much has changed since 1962.

 

[badguy2000]

It's not a big secret. The PLAAF in 1962 consisted mainly of MiG-15s and J-5s, while the IAF consisted of French Ouragans and Mystere IVs plus British Hawker Hunters and Gnats.

The PLAAF had the numerical edge while the IAF had the technological edge. In that respect not much has changed since 1962.

hahaha, since when british hawker hunter an gnats was more advanced than MG15 and MG19?

BTW, in 1962, MIG19/J6,instead of mig15, was the backbone of PLAAF.

In 1962, CHina already had set up full defence industry base in Manchuria and could produce thousands of J5/J6 every year ,if necessary.let alone thousands of Mig19/mig15/J5/J16 in service of PLAAF.


Instead, at that that,IAF had only hundreds of old WW II antique aircrafts and could not produce jet bird at all.

if air war were to really take place in 1962 BTW india and CHina, IAF would be wear out in week ,and india would be a country without air force soon.

In a word, IAF in 1962 was just a sitting duck in the fornt of PLAAF. Nehru was very wise not to launch a air war against CHina.

 

[neo29]

hahaha, since when british hawker hunter an gnats was more advanced than MG15 and MG19?

BTW, in 1962, MIG19/J6,instead of mig15, was the backbone of PLAAF.

Currently IAF has mig 21 obsolete fighters, but PLAAF has way more obsolete fighters, nearly 50%. So in terms of collection of old fighters you guys are way ahead of us.

 

[badguy2000]

Currently IAF has mig 21 obsolete fighters, but PLAAF has way more obsolete fighters, nearly 50%. So in terms of collection of old fighters you guys are way ahead of us.

well, frankly speaking, except about Su30MKI and some new AWAC, the rest of IAF can all be label as "antique",which should be shown in Museums.

 

[civfanatic]

hahaha, since when british hawker hunter an gnats was more advanced than MG15 and MG19?

Because our Gnats shot down so many Pakistani F-86s that they became known as "Sabre Slayers", and in Korea it was proven that the F-86 was a better fighter than the MiG-15 (though it depends on pilot skill). By 1962 the MiG-15 was obsolete. Also, the J-5 was a MiG-17 copy, not a MiG-19 copy (that's the J-6). The IAF never had the opportunity to shoot down J-5s/MiG-17s, but we did destroy Pakistani J-6s/MiG-19s.

BTW, in 1962, MIG19/J6,instead of mig15, was the backbone of PLAAF.

The J-6 was introduced into the PLAAF in December 1961. The Sino-Indian War was in 1962. There is no way a fighter can become the "backbone" of an air force within a few months of introduction.

In 1962, CHina already had set up full defence industry base in Manchuria and could produce thousands of J5/J6 every year ,if necessary.let alone thousands of Mig19/mig15/J5/J16 in service of PLAAF.

Lol thousands of aircraft a year? According to who, yourself?

Instead, at that that,IAF had only hundreds of old WW II antique aircrafts and could not produce jet bird at all.

The IAF in 1962 had top-of-the-line Western jet fighters, while the PLAAF had only poor Soviet copies that lacked spares, due to the Sino-Soviet Split.

Also the IAF produced its own jet fighter in 1961, the HF-24 Marut.

It served us very well in 1971, and I daresay it's a much better aircraft than any pirated Chinese fighter.

if air war were to really take place in 1962 BTW india and CHina, IAF would be wear out in week ,and india would be a country without air force soon.

You keep on telling yourself that. It's better for us if our enemy underestimates us.

 

[civfanatic]

well, frankly speaking, except about Su30MKI and some new AWAC, the rest of IAF can all be label as "antique",which should be shown in Museums.

When did MiG-29s and Mirage 2000s become "anitque"?

If anything is "antique" it is your J-10, which Burma rejected and chose MiG-29 even though the J-10 was cheaper. I guess that just goes to show how poor quality the J-10 is, that not even a poor country like Burma wants it.

You guys are lucky to have a desperate ally (read "slave") like Pakistan who will buy any junk fighter you offer.

 

[charlie]

Because our Gnats shot down so many Pakistani F-86s that they became known as "Sabre Slayers", and in Korea it was proven that the F-86 was a better fighter than the MiG-15 (though it depends on pilot skill). By 1962 the MiG-15 was obsolete. Also, the J-5 was a MiG-17 copy, not a MiG-19 copy (that's the J-6). The IAF never had the opportunity to shoot down J-5s/MiG-17s, but we did destroy Pakistani J-6s/MiG-19s.

ohh bro that was completely a propaganda of western that F86 was better but the reality is mig 15 was way ahead and that is the reason the american feared and they wanted to get their hands on it some how

if air war were to really take place in 1962 BTW india and CHina, IAF would be wear out in week ,and india would be a country without air force soon.

well first the chinese aircraft need to fly at that time because most of your aircraft were sitting ducks without the spares

 

[A chauhan]

Let us come back to the topic mates. JF 17 Thunder is definitely not a blunder, at least they are learning know-hows about building an aircraft. Surely JF 17 is an imported aircraft but Pakistan is learning something from it which will be beneficial for them in future.

 

[civfanatic]

ohh bro that was completely a propaganda of western that F86 was better but the reality is mig 15 was way ahead and that is the reason the american feared and they wanted to get their hands on it some how

Maybe the MiG-15 really is far ahead than the F-86. Maybe the MiG-29 is better than the F-16 - if you ask me, an IAF MiG-29SMT beats a PAF F-16A any day of the week. But if you look at the combat records of both the MiG-15 and the MiG-29, they are dismal compared to their Western counterparts (F-86 and F-16). Why is that?

At any rate, considering how quickly fighter technology evolved in the 1950s, by 1962 both the F-86 and MiG-15 were obsolete.

 

[civfanatic]

Pakistan is learning something from it which will be beneficial for them in future.

Yeah, they are learning how to paint imported fighters :emot15:

Seriously, what component of the JF-17 is made in Pakistan?? The fighter is 100% made in China. The only thing Pakistan is gaining is experience in assembling knocked-down kits. This is what HAL has been doing since the 1950s. Actually, we designed and manufactured our own fighter in 1961, something which Pakistan has yet to do even 50 years later.

 

[neo29]

well, frankly speaking, except about Su30MKI and some new AWAC, the rest of IAF can all be label as "antique",which should be shown in Museums.

i dont think mig 29's and mirage 2000 and jaguars with upgrades count as antique. But yes IAF has lot of old stock, but fact remains that PLAAF has much more old stock than IAF.

 

[pmaitra]

Yeah, they are learning how to paint imported fighters :emot15:

Seriously, what component of the JF-17 is made in Pakistan?? The fighter is 100% made in China. The only thing Pakistan is gaining is experience in assembling knocked-down kits. This is what HAL has been doing since the 1950s. Actually, we designed and manufactured our own fighter in 1961, something which Pakistan has yet to do even 50 years later.

It is the HAL HF-24 (Hindustan Fighter 24), also called Marut. Yes, we did manufacture it and no, we did not design it. It was designed by a German Aerospace Engineer called Kurt Tank.

Some photos, freely available over the internet, are attached for the viewers' perusal:

 

[pmaitra]

It is the HAL HF-24 (Hindustan Fighter 24), also called Marut. Yes, we did manufacture it and no, we did not design it. It was designed by a German Aerospace Engineer called Kurt Tank.

Some photos, freely available over the internet, are attached for the viewers' perusal:

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Picture of Prof. Kurt Tank: