JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 Xiaolong

[scatterStorm]

Wait a moment. Can all JF 17 thunders carry that much weight on their Pylons? Block 1? Block 2? Block-3? All of them can carry 1500 kg of Ordnance under their Pylon? Please clarify.

Thank you in advanced.

Not sure, lower version have not a good frame, its the B3 that has some structural rigidity added to the B3.

 

[Super Flanker]

Not sure, lower version have not a good frame, its the B3 that has some structural rigidity added to the B3.

All Block 2 Aircrafts will be Gradually Upgraded to the Block 3 Standards over time.

What do you think about this? Do you think that they will Upgrade all block 2 to block 3 (or is it just wet dreams of Pakis in PDF?). I am just concerned about JF 17 block 3 Carrying Pl-15 in twin Rack configuration.

 

[Super Flanker]

Not sure, lower version have not a good frame, its the B3 that has some structural rigidity added to the B3.

I guess JF 17 block 1 cannot carry that much weight. Block 2? Maybe Block-3 is the one in which I have faith in. Also I had read some answers in quora with regards to JF 17 Crashes and in the comment section of one of these Answers. It was with regards to the First Crash of JF 17 which happened on 14th November 2011.

Here is what one Pakistani had wrote in the comment section about the First Crash, here is the Copypaste of his Comment:

"The first crash was during the carriage testing of a new weapon.During maneuvering, the weapon created unforeseen load, tearing away the pylon and damaging the wing,causing the crash…….. These situation developes when you are flying outside the safe envelope, a rather normal affair in development project ."

What do you think about this?

 

[Dark Sorrow]

Cross posting from https://defenceforumindia.com/threads/lca-tejas-mk1-mk1a-news-and-discussion.81401/post-2141024

That is because i have no faith in reliability of klj7. Its not a proven system and i am NOT going to give chinese/packies voucher the same credibility as Indian, western, Japanese or Korean ones.

The same can be said about Uttam AESA or most of the radar.. No radars is combat proven in BVR. PAF managed to jam Su-30MKI's radar during Ops Swift Retort.
All radars are tested during development and are qualified by receptive air-forces before acceptance.
Kindly note Chinese semiconductor and electronics industry are much advanced than India.

Until jf-17s bvr & radar capability is proven its safe to assume that klj7 is worse than kopyo.

JF-17's Fire-Control Radar and BVRAAM have been proven during development and should not be underestimated.
KLJ7A is formidable piece of equipment and we will need to upgrade our ECM to counter them.

We must always be unbiased when gauging adversary's strength or we might end up like Pakistan in 1971.

 

[pipebomb]

same can be said about Uttam AESA

No you can't, though we are an imperfect democracy but an open democracy nonetheless, where as the other is an single party dictatorships which runs concentration camps in Tibet. Our claims carry far more weight than ccp's. We are not alike - Eminem

PAF managed to jam Su-30MKI's radar

That is nothing but hearsay, if you have proof then please do share. I have an open mind.

should not be underestimated.

That is the job of our intelligence & armed forces, not mine.

We must always be unbiased when gauging adversary's strength or we might end up like Pakistan in 1971.

No we all should be trembling from 11 feet China-man syndrome

 

[Dark Sorrow]

No you can't, though we are an imperfect democracy but an open democracy nonetheless, where as the other is an single party dictatorships which runs concentration camps in Tibet. Our claims carry far more weight than ccp's. We are not alike - Eminem

You mean to say PAF is foolish that will accept anything? No matter how corrupt, compromised or incompetent any AF is they will always plan strategies on things that will work or they know ill work. No-one likes surprises good/bad during operations.

Why do you think we carry so extensive testing of our products.

Just because your adversaries operate on a closed system doesn't mean their equipment were bad.
Soviet and Russia also operate in closed system still we bought/buy their equipment.

Even our government is closed. Type or post anything that government doesn't like or criticizes them and they will clamp down on you.

That is nothing but hearsay, if you have proof then please do share. I have an open mind.

The bellow quote is from print.in.

The second Sukhoi had also failed to properly pick up the enemy fighters through its radars.
They had also faced a technical glitch because of which they could not engage Pakistan Air Force (PAF) with the MICA air-to-air missiles that have a better range than the ones used by PAF in that sector.

This is radar jamming 101. No AF in right mind would admit in public their aircraft's radar were successfully jammed by the enemy.

Not much has changed for IAF a year after it was outgunned by Pakistan

India has made some progress in moving to acquire fighters, tech and equipment but it is yet to get its hands on any.

theprint.in

If you visit Pakistan sources you will get plethora of information on this topic but you will have to filter the information.

Their is a reason why suddenly we started talking about upgrading our fighter aircraft especially the radar and EW suite.

That is the job of our intelligence & armed forces, not mine.

We live in a free country and you are entitled to your opinion. I agree its not your responsibility to worry about Pakistan or its capabilities. However when you make such statements in a public defense forum people are going to respond on the same.

No we all should be trembling from 11 feet China-man syndrome

This is not trembling from 11 feet China-man syndrome but being aware of adversaries capability and preparing appropriate response be it technology or strategy or both so we will come out victorious from any engagement.

 

[pipebomb]

This is not trembling from 11 feet China-man syndrome but being aware of adversaries capability and preparing appropriate response be it technology or strategy or both so we will come out victorious from any engagement

Look, i get the point you are trying to make. There have to be balance between under & overestimating chinese capabilities. All i am saying some of their capabilities are only sound on paper, for example our bisons are bvr fighters on paper, ola scooter has close to 200km range on paper etc.

 

[BON PLAN]

the article says that pakistan is receiving PL15

What is the real efficience of PL15 ? As all chinese weapons, they are not war proven.

 

[pipebomb]

Putting ones head inside sand doesn't help anybody. Chinese are exporting stuff. Even if it's not equal.to the level.of Western electronic, it's still good enough to trouble IAF.

Look, i get the point you are trying to make. There have to be balance between under & overestimating chinese capabilities. All i am saying some of their capabilities are only sound on paper, for example our bisons are bvr fighters on paper, ola scooter has close to 200km range on paper etc.

 

[johnj]

Look, i get the point you are trying to make. There have to be balance between under & overestimating chinese capabilities. All i am saying some of their capabilities are only sound on paper, for example our bisons are bvr fighters on paper, ola scooter has close to 200km range on paper etc.

Considering statements provided by turkey and usaf/pentagon Chinese rf and optical sensor one of the best and comes closer to us standards. For turkey test, their missile can hit a target better than usa or russian ones. S400 is better though. klj7 fully capable of bvr upto 150km/170km, BVR is not something new, its a old tech.
mmr also capable of bvr only issue was missile, lack of interest. bison is capable of bvr with tini rf sensor.
Consider .'' bvr fighters on paper'' and fifth gen, there is no fighter capable of bvr.

 

[johnj]

What is the real efficience of PL15 ? As all chinese weapons, they are not war proven.

What is pl15 ? why making a lot of noise about this bvrm ? aesa seeker ? range ? data link ?

 

[Dark Sorrow]

What is pl15 ? why making a lot of noise about this bvrm ? aesa seeker ? range ? data link ?

All of the above in one package makes it formidable.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

What is the real efficience of PL15 ? As all chinese weapons, they are not war proven.

Nor has Meteor been war proven still we believe in its efficiency.
Just because one is made in Europe while other is made in PRC doesn't make one good and other bad.

 

[Lonewolf]

Nor has Meteor been war proven still we believe in its efficiency.
Just because one is made in Europe while other is made in PRC doesn't make one good and other bad.

one is shady in its data other is more publicized , one is sfdr other is dual pulse .

on a side note: which chick is in your dp ??

 

[Dark Sorrow]

one is shady in its data other is more publicized , one is sfdr other is dual pulse .

Even if PL-15E is half as good as it is projected, it will be a major source of headache for our AF.
As for PL-15E its range appears appropriate for dual-pulse rocket-motor.
Our Astra Mk. 2 will also range around 150 kms.

on a side note: which chick is in your dp ??

Jessica Lowndes - Wikipedia

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[BON PLAN]

Considering statements provided by turkey and usaf/pentagon Chinese rf and optical sensor one of the best and comes closer to us standards. For turkey test, their missile can hit a target better than usa or russian ones. S400 is better though. klj7 fully capable of bvr upto 150km/170km, BVR is not something new, its a old tech.
mmr also capable of bvr only issue was missile, lack of interest. bison is capable of bvr with tini rf sensor.
Consider .'' bvr fighters on paper'' and fifth gen, there is no fighter capable of bvr.

The chinese HQ9 groud to air missile on proposal in Turkey was a copy and paste of S300....
and once again, nothing war tested.

 

[BON PLAN]

Nor has Meteor been war proven still we believe in its efficiency.
Just because one is made in Europe while other is made in PRC doesn't make one good and other bad.

Meteor is the whole european missile industry state of the art missile. It was heavily tested by at least 4 country.
Its seeker for exemple is of the same family than MICA RF or ASTER. ASTER was used to destroy supersonic missile under heavy electronic counter measures.

 

[Super Flanker]

The chinese HQ9 groud to air missile on proposal in Turkey was a copy and paste of S300....
and once again, nothing war tested.

The Chinese HQ-9 was a contender in Turkey's T-LORAMIDS program. In 2013 it was reported that HQ9 was the Winner. But US refused to provide Funds to Integrate HQ9 in NATO Air Defense Systems. In the End in November of 2015 ,Turkey chose to not buy the HQ9(I believe that it was because of some issues with regards to TOT) and instead decided that it would opt for an Indigenous Air Defense System.
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And just because something is not war-tested, it doesn't mean that it is bad.

 

[India Super Power]

The Chinese HQ-9 was a contender in Turkey's T-LORAMIDS program. In 2013 it was reported that HQ9 was the Winner. But US refused to provide Funds to Integrate HQ9 in NATO Air Defense Systems. In the End in November of 2015 ,Turkey chose to not buy the HQ9(I believe that it was because of some issues with regards to TOT) and instead decided that it would opt for an Indigenous Air Defense System.
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And just because something is not war-tested, it doesn't mean that it is bad.

Bro as far as I remember in this particular competition there were patriot s300(upgraded one) and hq-9
Were hq-9 was the winner but due NATO interference they canceled the entire tender and later they were deciding which European or American counterpart should be brought but atlast Russia offered s-400 which was better than the tender specifications and they brought it (bit dramatic)
Fact here is they preferred Russian more than American ones

 

[Super Flanker]

Bro as far as I remember in this particular competition there were patriot s300(upgraded one) and hq-9
Were hq-9 was the winner but due NATO interference they canceled the entire tender and later they were deciding which European or American counterpart should be brought but atlast Russia offered s-400 which was better than the tender specifications and they brought it (bit dramatic)
Fact here is they preferred Russian more than American ones

Unfortunately, Turkey did a political Blunder by Acquiring the S-400. Turkey had the option of buying F-35 but after S-400. I don't think so that US will give any country which Operates S-400.

The problem is that the US isn’t going to give the F-35 to a country that buys large amounts of Russian military equipment. I mean, they wouldn’t even allow for Turkey, a NATO ally, to get the F-35 because of the whole S-400 or F-35 issue and Turkey was even helping in funding and getting/making parts for the F-35 project.

Turkey had no other option left and hence they decided to go for S-400 and signed a contract with Russia for the S-400 air defence system in April 2017. Unfortunately now ,I don't think so that Turkey can use these S-400. I had heard news that Turkey's S-400 are just lying Idle.

Now after S-400 , Turkey has decided that it will develop an Indigenous Air Defense System for itself.