J20 Stealth Fighter

[ice berg]

China was a net weapons importer for 2011-12. And it looks like they are going to continue the trend buying Su-35 and Amur. Sorry your J-20 isn't good enough to replace Russian fighters.

Glad to see you backtracked from your statement of measuring volumes with your eyes. And only from photos and videos.

 

[Armand2REP]

Glad to see you backtracked from your statement of measuring volumes with your eyes. And only from photos and videos.

I don't... the volume of J-20 is far greater than a Flanker.

 

[arnabmit]

[video=youtube_share;wWa0Y447rqI]http://youtu.be/wWa0Y447rqI[/video]

 

[p2prada]

J-2003、J-2004，J-20S、J-20H。。。bring them on， and fast。:thumb:

What are the S and H for?

 

[cinoti]

What are the S and H for?

S stands for Shuang, means double seater, usually plays an enhanced surface attacking role or serves as trainers.
H stands for Hong, means bombard, actually, it should be JH 20 instead of J20 H.

 

[cinoti]

S stands for Shuang, means double seater, usually plays an enhanced surface attacking role or serves as trainers.
H stands for Hong, means bombard, actually, it should be JH 20 instead of J20 H.

H also can be translated into Hang, means navigation, short form or navy aviation, in this case, shipborne.

 

[p2prada]

As a ship borne, it will be a pain in the a** to build a ship borne version from this aircraft. It is too big and the carrier will end up holding too small a complement, like the Kuznetsov. Get the J-21 or build a whole new aircraft from scratch for PLAN.

 

[cinoti]

As a ship borne, it will be a pain in the a** to build a ship borne version from this aircraft. It is too big and the carrier will end up holding too small a complement, like the Kuznetsov. Get the J-21 or build a whole new aircraft from scratch for PLAN.

Our CV 17 is 80K T, CV 19 is 100K T. J31 is a better choice but no one is sure if the Mega-pult CV19 can handle a J20H

 

[nishantgupta]

Our CV 17 is 80K T, CV 19 is 100K T. J31 is a better choice but no one is sure if the Mega-pult CV19 can handle a J20H

Sorry if this has been mentioned earlier...but can you point me to somewhere I can get details on CV 17 and 19 that you have mentioned?

 

[ice berg]

As a ship borne, it will be a pain in the a** to build a ship borne version from this aircraft. It is too big and the carrier will end up holding too small a complement, like the Kuznetsov. Get the J-21 or build a whole new aircraft from scratch for PLAN.

It is smaller than J-15.

 

[p2prada]

It is smaller than J-15.

Still around 20m long and 12m wide, while weighing as much as a Flanker.

Not saying it is impossible, simply saying it is more convenient to have a smaller jet.

Like 12 Flankers vs 24 Mig-29K on Kuznetsov.

 

[t_co]

Still around 20m long and 12m wide, while weighing as much as a Flanker.

Not saying it is impossible, simply saying it is more convenient to have a smaller jet.

Like 12 Flankers vs 24 Mig-29K on Kuznetsov.

True--the main reason the US switched to the FA-18 from the F-14 was that they could pack more fighters with a smaller jet, while not substantially sacrificing combat capability. The PLAN may be able to do the same with the J-31 vs the J-15, if they can put better C4ISR, weaponry, and avionics on the fighter.

Of course the J-20 will be better on a one-to-one basis vs. the J-31, but the J-20 will also be much more expensive and much bigger. If I was the force planner, I'd put maybe 4-8 J-20s, at the most, on a PLAN carrier.

EDIT: Although I do agree, having a few J-20s onboard the carrier would be give it a long-range, heavy strike/CAP capability, but the vast majority of fighters onboard the carrier should be the smaller, cheaper variant.

 

[p2prada]

Heavy aircraft are expected to give less number of sorties, even turn around times will be greater. Though the endurance will be high.

So, more disadvantages there.

 

[Armand2REP]

It is smaller than J-15.

Not likely... Flankers are not nearly as bulky.

 

[cir]

More，many more J-20s are on their way。

You will be surprised by the number of J-20 prototypes that are about to make their appearances。

Spring brings good tidings。

J-20s aren't the only surprise。

Watch this space！

 

[ice berg]

Still around 20m long and 12m wide, while weighing as much as a Flanker.

Not saying it is impossible, simply saying it is more convenient to have a smaller jet.

Like 12 Flankers vs 24 Mig-29K on Kuznetsov.

How is weight relevant here? You design your ship around your requirements, not the other way around. The point been J-20 is smaller than J-15.

If Liaoning can have J-15s, then there should be no problem for navalized J-20 on future ACs.

 

[prestigiousindian]

Can some chinese members post the official engine specs goin to be used on J20 with some legitimate reliable links.....

 

[Armand2REP]

Can some chinese members post the official engine specs goin to be used on J20 with some legitimate reliable links.....

Never fear! Chini expert is here! WS-10A is a poor AL-31F clone that leaks, cracks and has a horrible acceleration curve. Wet thrust is 25,300lbs and 15,100lbs dry. Acceleration curve to military thrust from 10% idle in 48.7 seconds. Minimum specific fuel consumption is .765kgf*h.

This is China, you will never find reliable links.

 

[prestigiousindian]

SO will it fly atleast like a chic chic buck buck DUCK...

 

[p2prada]

How is weight relevant here? You design your ship around your requirements, not the other way around. The point been J-20 is smaller than J-15.

You are assuming J-20 is very small. It is not so.

You will also end up with a STOBAR configuration rather than CATOBAR.

Weight matters because the engines should be able to throw all that weight out quickly while guzzling less fuel.

No matter how small the J-20 is, it won't be smaller than a SH. I am pretty sure PLAN will be looking forward to operate CATOBAR systems rather than STOBAR.

If Liaoning can have J-15s, then there should be no problem for navalized J-20 on future ACs.

That doesn't mean much. The Mig-29K is a far superior platform compared to the J-15 since both are STOBAR systems. Mig-29K can take off at MTOW from a small ship like Gorky while even a Kuznetsov class ship cannot help the J-15 in taking off at MTOW. Space constraints will be too much.

You are much better off if you have a smaller Mig-29K class aircraft with CATOBAR capability, like Rafale.
You will have more numbers and more capability with a CATOBAR system.

Go figure why the Russians have decided to go for Mig-29Ks on the Kuznetsov rather than simply upgrading the J-15 like the VVS is doing with old Su-27s. Double the numbers and increased capability.