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The Radar cross-section effect of canard Guo Zhanzhi , Chen Yingwen , Ma Lianfeng , AVIC Chengdu Aircraft Design and Research Ins Just RCS of canard on stealth air-craft with actual data from Chengdu .
 

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one of CN nextgen fighters in research,canard+TVC is good choice for 6+ stealthy
J20 is a failure. 5th Gen tech is not all about stealth but data fusion, advanced data links, Electronic warfare and resultant situational awareness.

Forget about all these parameters, China still can't succeed in Jet engines which is no where in 5th gen fighter requirements. Even Russian engine tech is much behind western nations, and China lags even behind Russia. That's one of the job of Chinese embassy in Huston to steal tech where most of jet technologies are made.

And i am saying this with a heavy heart because we are behind China in aircraft tech.
 

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not pathetic, China wants an empire, threats its neighbours like India, Taiwan or Russia, initial victories will give cockiness, your J-20 is the spear like Me-109 or Zero, like Germany wanted to defeat England you want to defeat the USA, you will bring your allies but you will lose
Points to differ-
1) Germany and japan, just like every other country in europe(except russia) were starved of resources(manpower, material), which is not the case for China.

2)Both of those countries tried to take over everything, being selective could've got them success, and it seems to be the way china is going.(maintaining good relationship with europe and russia while tormenting its asian neighbours)

Albeit, China is not capable of defending itself in an all out war scenario against combined 'Asian nato' (US, japan, SoKo) within 2020-30, i can't be so sure about 2030 and beyond.
 

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Judging by the number of sharp angles in canards and other control surfaces, I wouldn't be surprised if India's L band Awacs could track it. No wonder even the Su-30MKI radar was able to track it.
 

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J20 is a failure. 5th Gen tech is not all about stealth but data fusion, advanced data links, Electronic warfare and resultant situational awareness.

Forget about all these parameters, China still can't succeed in Jet engines which is no where in 5th gen fighter requirements. Even Russian engine tech is much behind western nations, and China lags even behind Russia. That's one of the job of Chinese embassy in Huston to steal tech where most of jet technologies are made.

And i am saying this with a heavy heart because we are behind China in aircraft tech.
The J-20 in my opinion is not a failure nor a sucess.
All weapons have advantages and limitations, all, thus its max success depends upon what weapons they fight and the timeframe.



There are already a lot of anti-stealth technologies and weapons that claim being able to destroy stealth aircraft.

These weapons under certain condition probably will succeed and under others fail.

once its tecnology gets obsolete it will have more failures than success.


Can Rafale down it? yes i think rafale has two good qualities, pretty agile, and has good cruise speed.

Has good avionics, but its ability will depend in upgrades.

All weapons are like that.

A SU-27P is no match for Typhoon, Su-35 is, why? upgrades.

Same F-15 versus J-20, who can beat each one, depends in upgrades.

You can install conformal weapons packs, Thrust vectoring and supercrusie capability with modenized avionics, radar and weapons that can give a F-15 the ability to down a J-20.

There is not such superiority of J-20 why? simple the parameters of J-20 are not as far from F-15 in speed and agility or avionics or sensors.


Is it better a fighters with a fuselage made with stealth treatment?

It depends the sensors of the enemy, if the rivals has old sensors and avionics perhaps still is better, but if the sensors are better and better stealth is crap.

The US knows it and Russia knows it
 

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The J-20 in my opinion is not a failure nor a sucess.
All weapons have advantages and limitations, all, thus its max success depends upon what weapons they fight and the timeframe.



There are already a lot of anti-stealth technologies and weapons that claim being able to destroy stealth aircraft.

These weapons under certain condition probably will succeed and under others fail.

once its tecnology gets obsolete it will have more failures than success.


Can Rafale down it? yes i think rafale has two good qualities, pretty agile, and has good cruise speed.

Has good avionics, but its ability will depend in upgrades.

All weapons are like that.

A SU-27P is no match for Typhoon, Su-35 is, why? upgrades.

Same F-15 versus J-20, who can beat each one, depends in upgrades.

You can install conformal weapons packs, Thrust vectoring and supercrusie capability with modenized avionics, radar and weapons that can give a F-15 the ability to down a J-20.

There is not such superiority of J-20 why? simple the parameters of J-20 are not as far from F-15 in speed and agility or avionics or sensors.


Is it better a fighters with a fuselage made with stealth treatment?

It depends the sensors of the enemy, if the rivals has old sensors and avionics perhaps still is better, but if the sensors are better and better stealth is crap.

The US knows it and Russia knows it
The era of parameters is gone and even stealth is not as much important as sensor fusion, electronics warfare like ECM, ECCM, ECCCM and Pk of AAMs. This is where soul of fighter jet lies.

When you have very credible and effective jamming pods then what else J20 bring to the table?

Russia will only give watered-down version of sukhois for export. Chinese are left on their own in electronics suite.

Even our Elta8222 will be a big headache for PLAAF. I have no idea about Chinese jamming pods because their features are always overstated.
 

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Surface of this aircraft looks top class with no ridges and patches. Truly sayin looks better than earlier model of SU-57.
Any close Up shot of internal weapon bay?
that is Chinese forumlore, aircraft like Su-57 have a lot of composite, to say J-20is smooother is pure fantasy, it is common for Chinese to Claim J-20 has put head China from Russia.

Then why they bought Su-35? How come MS-21 has been adapted to use PD-14 and the Chinese still american made engines?


The reality the surface of Su-57 has plenty of composites on the surface.


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Chinese forumlore will tell you even F-22 is inferior to J-20

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Painting is to aircraft like make up to an ugly woman, see smooth Su-47
 
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