J20 Stealth Fighter

[prasadr14]

If J20 is stealth or 5th gen,
then my farts smell like lillies..

 

[Absolut_Vodka]

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one of CN nextgen fighters in research，canard+TVC is good choice for 6+ stealthy

J20 is a failure. 5th Gen tech is not all about stealth but data fusion, advanced data links, Electronic warfare and resultant situational awareness.

Forget about all these parameters, China still can't succeed in Jet engines which is no where in 5th gen fighter requirements. Even Russian engine tech is much behind western nations, and China lags even behind Russia. That's one of the job of Chinese embassy in Huston to steal tech where most of jet technologies are made.

And i am saying this with a heavy heart because we are behind China in aircraft tech.

 

[Bhurki]

not pathetic, China wants an empire, threats its neighbours like India, Taiwan or Russia, initial victories will give cockiness, your J-20 is the spear like Me-109 or Zero, like Germany wanted to defeat England you want to defeat the USA, you will bring your allies but you will lose

Points to differ-
1) Germany and japan, just like every other country in europe(except russia) were starved of resources(manpower, material), which is not the case for China.

2)Both of those countries tried to take over everything, being selective could've got them success, and it seems to be the way china is going.(maintaining good relationship with europe and russia while tormenting its asian neighbours)

Albeit, China is not capable of defending itself in an all out war scenario against combined 'Asian nato' (US, japan, SoKo) within 2020-30, i can't be so sure about 2030 and beyond.

 

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[johnq]

Judging by the number of sharp angles in canards and other control surfaces, I wouldn't be surprised if India's L band Awacs could track it. No wonder even the Su-30MKI radar was able to track it.

 

[MiG-29SMT]

J20 is a failure. 5th Gen tech is not all about stealth but data fusion, advanced data links, Electronic warfare and resultant situational awareness.

Forget about all these parameters, China still can't succeed in Jet engines which is no where in 5th gen fighter requirements. Even Russian engine tech is much behind western nations, and China lags even behind Russia. That's one of the job of Chinese embassy in Huston to steal tech where most of jet technologies are made.

And i am saying this with a heavy heart because we are behind China in aircraft tech.

The J-20 in my opinion is not a failure nor a sucess.
All weapons have advantages and limitations, all, thus its max success depends upon what weapons they fight and the timeframe.



There are already a lot of anti-stealth technologies and weapons that claim being able to destroy stealth aircraft.

These weapons under certain condition probably will succeed and under others fail.

once its tecnology gets obsolete it will have more failures than success.


Can Rafale down it? yes i think rafale has two good qualities, pretty agile, and has good cruise speed.

Has good avionics, but its ability will depend in upgrades.

All weapons are like that.

A SU-27P is no match for Typhoon, Su-35 is, why? upgrades.

Same F-15 versus J-20, who can beat each one, depends in upgrades.

You can install conformal weapons packs, Thrust vectoring and supercrusie capability with modenized avionics, radar and weapons that can give a F-15 the ability to down a J-20.

There is not such superiority of J-20 why? simple the parameters of J-20 are not as far from F-15 in speed and agility or avionics or sensors.


Is it better a fighters with a fuselage made with stealth treatment?

It depends the sensors of the enemy, if the rivals has old sensors and avionics perhaps still is better, but if the sensors are better and better stealth is crap.

The US knows it and Russia knows it

 

[Absolut_Vodka]

The J-20 in my opinion is not a failure nor a sucess.
All weapons have advantages and limitations, all, thus its max success depends upon what weapons they fight and the timeframe.



There are already a lot of anti-stealth technologies and weapons that claim being able to destroy stealth aircraft.

These weapons under certain condition probably will succeed and under others fail.

once its tecnology gets obsolete it will have more failures than success.


Can Rafale down it? yes i think rafale has two good qualities, pretty agile, and has good cruise speed.

Has good avionics, but its ability will depend in upgrades.

All weapons are like that.

A SU-27P is no match for Typhoon, Su-35 is, why? upgrades.

Same F-15 versus J-20, who can beat each one, depends in upgrades.

You can install conformal weapons packs, Thrust vectoring and supercrusie capability with modenized avionics, radar and weapons that can give a F-15 the ability to down a J-20.

There is not such superiority of J-20 why? simple the parameters of J-20 are not as far from F-15 in speed and agility or avionics or sensors.


Is it better a fighters with a fuselage made with stealth treatment?

It depends the sensors of the enemy, if the rivals has old sensors and avionics perhaps still is better, but if the sensors are better and better stealth is crap.

The US knows it and Russia knows it

The era of parameters is gone and even stealth is not as much important as sensor fusion, electronics warfare like ECM, ECCM, ECCCM and Pk of AAMs. This is where soul of fighter jet lies.

When you have very credible and effective jamming pods then what else J20 bring to the table?

Russia will only give watered-down version of sukhois for export. Chinese are left on their own in electronics suite.

Even our Elta8222 will be a big headache for PLAAF. I have no idea about Chinese jamming pods because their features are always overstated.

 

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[Assassin 2.0]

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Surface of this aircraft looks top class with no ridges and patches. Truly sayin looks better than earlier model of SU-57.
Any close Up shot of internal weapon bay?

 

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[MiG-29SMT]

Surface of this aircraft looks top class with no ridges and patches. Truly sayin looks better than earlier model of SU-57.
Any close Up shot of internal weapon bay?

that is Chinese forumlore, aircraft like Su-57 have a lot of composite, to say J-20is smooother is pure fantasy, it is common for Chinese to Claim J-20 has put head China from Russia.

Then why they bought Su-35? How come MS-21 has been adapted to use PD-14 and the Chinese still american made engines?


The reality the surface of Su-57 has plenty of composites on the surface.

Chinese forumlore will tell you even F-22 is inferior to J-20

Painting is to aircraft like make up to an ugly woman, see smooth Su-47

 

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hina unveils two-seater design for stealth plane based on J-20 fighter

• Breakthrough variant intended as early-warning aircraft and command centre for jets and rocket launchers
• Seating design similar to Russian Su-34 would be a world first among single-seater stealth warplanes

Posted: August 15, 2020

China’s advanced J-20 jet fighter is the template for a two-seater stealth aircraft in development. Photo: Xinhua

China is developing a new generation two-seater stealth warplane, based on its most advanced fighter the J-20, intended as an early-warning aircraft that will serve as a command centre for other weapons such as fighter jets and rocket launchers.

Chengdu Aircraft Design Institute (CADI), developer of the J-20, is working on the breakthrough variant which will be the first stealth fighter in the world to accommodate two pilots. It will also be more innovative, according to an online report published earlier this week.

The report, which appeared on War Industry Black Technology, a social media platform run by Shenzhen-based Quantum Defence Cloud Technology, included a design sketch of the twin-seater variant and said it would serve as a small, early-warning warplane.

The design sketch for the twin-seater J-20 variant, with a similar cockpit configuration to the Russian Su-34. Photo: Handout

The design is similar to the Russian Su-34 twin-seater supersonic medium-range fighter bomber, with a side-by-side seating arrangement in the cockpit which the report said would help the two pilots better communicate and share information effectively.

“As the new generation aircraft with capabilities of stealth and supersonic cruise, the new platform also needs to command drones, other fighter jets, and even ground-based rocket launchers, as well as surface warships and submarines, making it a small early-warning aircraft,” it said.

A military insider said the new plane would be equipped with defensive air-to-air weapons, but would not be used as a bomber, contrary to mainland media reports.

“It is not a real bomber. To maintain stealth and agility, all missiles should be put inside the bays, that means only light air-to-air bombs are allowed,” said the insider, who requested anonymity due to the sensitivity of the issue.

The heavy explosives required for air-to-ground and air-to-sea missiles could only be accommodated under the craft’s wings, drastically reducing its stealth capabilities.

A Sukhoi Su-34 cockpit simulator. Photo: Handout

“All bombers carrying heavy bombs would be easily detected by the integrated air defence system (IADS),” the insider said. “That means two-seater stealth fighters could not cause any threat to American military bases or even aircraft carrier strike groups.”

Most training planes and bombers feature tandem seating, with the front seat pilot taking care of the flight while the co-pilot focuses from the back seat on the weaponry, so the design of the new variant is noteworthy.

Hong Kong-based military commentator Song Zhongping said the J-20 could be upgraded and modified to different variants because of its strong detection capability and capacity to connect multichannel intelligence and electronic warfare information.

“But it may take longer [to develop] if the new aircraft uses the double-seat design. The aerodynamic shape of the aircraft should make major changes,” Song said. “Then it would no longer be the original J-20 model, but another new type.”

The two-seater stealth fighter is just one of the variants developed by CADI based on the J-20 platform. According to the military insider, the institute’s top priority is to develop a carrier-based stealth fighter jet for China’s next generation aircraft carrier, the Type 002, currently in final assembly and featuring electromagnetic catapult launching systems.

CADI and its sister company, Shenyang Aircraft Design Institute – which developed the J-15, China’s only active carrier-based fighter jet – are racing to develop a next-generation fighter capable of competing with the American F35 ship-borne fighter.

Variants of the J-20 were flagged by its chief designer Yang Wei at the 2018 China Airshow in Zhuhai, Guangdong province, when he told a press conference that more variants of the J-20 would be developed to meet the new requirements of future warfare.

This article appeared in the South China Morning Post print edition as: "Two-seater stealth fighter jet hailedas breakthrough".