Nonynon
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That's all very true, in a reasonable place both sides would benefit from peace and ground would never be just given away for nothing but the fact Israel was at war sense its first day and even before that makes people here dream of peace and the fact almost everyone here served in the army makes everyone know what war really means. On the Arab side the anti Israeli propaganda is too strong to make them want peace on their own. The fact Israel doesn't normally bombard arabs for the fun or send suicide bombers makes them not much need Israel's peace.If land for peace works, it'll be a big reversal of trend. The usual historic trend has been - get some land, use it as staging area for attacks - get more land - ad infinitum.
I still feel Israel's demand of only "peace" as too less. "Peace" isn't something that'll benefit Israel alone but those Palestinians too. So why do Israelis think "peace" is something that Palestinians are giving to them. "Peace" is a natural outcome, not a reward for "land".
In return for "land" and evacuation of kibbutzim in westbank/gaza, these are the minimum natural rewards Israel deserves ...
- Jerusalem remains Israeli. Palestinians can pray there but never occupy it.
- West bank is delinked from Gaza - Gaza should be given to Egypt and West Bank to Jordan. No overland routes between Gaza and West Bank.
Palestinian exclusivity claim to Jerusalem is as ridiculous as Israel partially claiming Mecca because Jews used to live there.
But I guess if Israel is ready to give up Gaza strip, it also indicates a great confidence of IDF as being able to protect Israel against using that land for staging attacks.
The thing is the Arab side gains a lot from being in a position of seize fire with Israel instead of peace with Israel because he uses all the Anti Israel thing as a mean to unify the people and help oppress them by pointing their angers at someone else. For example, almost right after Egypt signed peace with Israel, the Egyptian president (dictator) was assassinated.
In the Past (after the six day war - 1967) Israel also occupied all the Sini peninsula, taking all its oil as well as guard Eilat from naval blockades, be in control of the Suetz Cannal and use Suetz as a good defendable boarder against Egypt. After a few years all Sini was given back to Egypt in return for Peace with Egypt. Was it worth it? It probably spared us another war but on the other hand there's a good chance now after the Egypt revolts that Egypt will just stop the peace (Gaza was also offered to be given along with Sini but Egypt insisted they don't want it).
In my opinion it was a good move in general but we shouldn't have given them all Sini, only part of it back so they will know that if they make another war on us then we will take a little more, and that they do have something to lose by making war (they don't really consider the other things they lose... In fact the more Israel kills right now the better they look on Western Media).
Continued occupation of the Palestinians isn't off the table in Israeli politics but the thing is most Israelis want peace more then holding more ground and many (if not most) also feel guilty about occupying people for too long. I think if the UN would not have such an obsession with Israel and neither would foreign medias then Israel might have been more able to continue the occupation or just annex larger parts.
As for the too points you mentioned, Jerusalem had been annexed into Israel but the Palestinians keep demanding East Jerusalem (although wikileaks revealed some Palestinians leaders are starting to think about giving it up).
Land connections between Gaza and the West bank isn't seen as something the Palestinians 'deserve' its just something that can be brought up as a way to bargain.
Its all about the bargaining right now, the main cards the Palestinians are playing are:
1. Until we get peace we will continue to do terror attacks
2. Until we get peace we will get world general opinion against you
3. Until we get peace we will use international pressure and deligitimation against you.
So after using those stuff they hope that Israel would except peace deals more into their favor.