INSAS Rifle, LMG & Carbine

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Indeed Trichy Assault Rifle factory modified with FAB kit is possibly the best option we currently have.

But this deal was very important; for the sake of balancing the cosmic chaos.

The Ruskies were seriously heartbroken. Pantsir lost to Korean Biho. Igla-S won the competition, but then there were allegations of corruption. People even started to question the whole S-400 deal.
So they needed a BJ. And that came in the form of AK-203; or should I say AK-103M.

And for the other reason I'll just leave you with a word; A-M-E-T-H-I.
You could hae done that by buying AK-15.
 

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Umm hmmm, why not.
Even better, AK-15 200 pattern.
Something even better? What about AM-17

That's utopia my friend. Let's return to reality.
We were offered AK-203 and we watered down that to Gen 1 AK-103M.
I feel 14.5” CAR-816 would be the mainstay. AK-203 is as good as nothing, old AKs are better.
 

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Since army has already ordered 144K Sig 716, it would be wise to arm the rest of the Infantry battalions with with 7.62*51mm caliber only, to reduce logistic burden.

Non frontline troops including artillery, AAC, Tanks crews etc should have that 5.56*45 mm caliber carbine.

The only role of 7.62*39 mm in Army is with Rashtriya rifles and Assam Rifles. Both have adequate AKs sourced from Eastern European countries. That needs to upgraded using modernization kit from FAB defence/SSS defence.
 

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Why not replace this 5.56 calibre completely ?
It was ease logistics , plus 7.62 mm ammo is most widely available anywhere .
Literally anywhere .
What calibre is qbz 95?
 

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OFB 7.62x51mm sniper
Hhmm i seriously wonder if the barrle on this "Mark 1" version of OFB 7.62mm Sniper Rifle is free-floating one or not,
it may not look like so at first glance but there is a slight clearance/gap between stock and the barrel at front end of the stock so maybe it's free floating ?
something like this one in video below that could be verified by passing a thin paper sheet through that clearance between stock and barrel...
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@Kunal Biswas ,dada could you confirm if the barrel on this rifle by OFB is free-floating or not ?
if anybody here's active on SM please convery my query to him @Unknowncommando 2 @Bleh or so...
 

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Hhmm i seriously wonder if the barrle on this "Mark 1" version of OFB 7.62mm Sniper Rifle is free-floating one or not,
it may not look like so at first glance but there is a slight clearance/gap between stock and the barrel at front end of the stock so maybe it's free floating ?
something like this one in video below that could be verified by passing a thin paper sheet through that clearance between stock and barrel...
View attachment 77337

@Kunal Biswas ,dada could you confirm if the barrel on this rifle by OFB is free-floating or not ?
if anybody here's active on SM please convery my query to him @Unknowncommando 2 @Bleh or so...
 

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Anil Ambani’s Reliance firm still not ready to showcase LMG for Army, trials delayed again
New Delhi: The much-awaited Army trials for nearly 41,000 light machine guns (LMGs), under the Make in India initiative, has been delayed again as Reliance Armament of Anil Ambani has sought more time to showcase its weapon, ThePrint has learnt.

While trials for the 7.62X51 mm belt-fed LMGs were to begin from 22 February, they have now been postponed to April due to Reliance Armament. The new LMGs are to replace the 5.56x45mm INSAS LMG, which is a derivative of the INSAS assault rifle.

Sources in the defence and security establishment said this is not the first time that Reliance has sought an extension. Sources said Reliance Armament wrote to the Army in February seeking more time to showcase the weapon, which the company says is an indigenous one.

A questionnaire sent to Reliance Defence remained unanswered at the time of filing this report.

The Anil Ambani group is one of the contenders for the project along with Bharat Forge of the Kalyani Group, Adani Group’s PLR systems and the state-run Ordnance Factory Board (OFB).

The Bengaluru-based SSS Defence, which was one of the original contenders, is understood to have pulled out of the trials as it wants to focus on sniper and the carbines contract.

Reliance also tight-lipped about partner
While Reliance has been tight-lipped about who it has tied up with for the contract, it is learnt that a South Korean firm could be in the picture.

Reliance is also said to be working on multiple vendor options, including American and European manufacturers.

Reliance Infrastructure’s annual report for 2019-20 stated that the group has established multiple companies such as Reliance Armaments Ltd, Reliance Ammunition Ltd and Reliance SED to cater to the specific requirements of small arms, ammunition and defence electronics.

It had also said that Reliance Armament has received RFPs (Requests for Proposal) for LMGs, sniper rifles and other small programmes with the Ministry of Home Affairs valued at over Rs 6,000 crore over many years.

Of the other contenders for the LMG project, Bharat Forge has tied up with Bulgarian firm Arsenal, while the OFB has come out with an indigenous product.

Adani Group’s PLR systems is a joint venture with the Israel Weapons Industry (IWI) and they are fielding the Negev NG-7.

The IWI already has a fast-tracked procurement contract from the Army for about 16,000 of these Negev NG-7 and the first tranche has already reached soldiers in the Northern Command.

The Army contract, however, is directly with IWI and not with the Indian joint venture, which now manufactures various Israeli weapons at its Gwalior plant.

Final contract will take time
Even if the trial does take place on time, sources said that a final contract will be delayed. This is because the RFP allows any Indian company to present a product for trials.

If the weapon is selected, the Indian company will be given 18 months for Transfer of Technology (ToT) from the Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) and for the setting up of a production plant in India.

Once the plant is set up, the company will manufacture 10 serial production LMGs, which will be tested by the Army again to see if it fits the bill as the original.

It is not clear if the second round of trial planned will be as stringent as the first, which itself is yet to start.

Industry sources told ThePrint that the frontrunner for the LMG contract is PLR systems because its parent IWI already has a contract with the Army and the firm has a running production plant in Gwalior, which has started supplying various small arms to central armed police forces and the state police.
 

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Anil Ambani’s Reliance firm still not ready to showcase LMG for Army, trials delayed again
New Delhi: The much-awaited Army trials for nearly 41,000 light machine guns (LMGs), under the Make in India initiative, has been delayed again as Reliance Armament of Anil Ambani has sought more time to showcase its weapon, ThePrint has learnt.

While trials for the 7.62X51 mm belt-fed LMGs were to begin from 22 February, they have now been postponed to April due to Reliance Armament. The new LMGs are to replace the 5.56x45mm INSAS LMG, which is a derivative of the INSAS assault rifle.

Sources in the defence and security establishment said this is not the first time that Reliance has sought an extension. Sources said Reliance Armament wrote to the Army in February seeking more time to showcase the weapon, which the company says is an indigenous one.

A questionnaire sent to Reliance Defence remained unanswered at the time of filing this report.

The Anil Ambani group is one of the contenders for the project along with Bharat Forge of the Kalyani Group, Adani Group’s PLR systems and the state-run Ordnance Factory Board (OFB).

The Bengaluru-based SSS Defence, which was one of the original contenders, is understood to have pulled out of the trials as it wants to focus on sniper and the carbines contract.

Reliance also tight-lipped about partner
While Reliance has been tight-lipped about who it has tied up with for the contract, it is learnt that a South Korean firm could be in the picture.

Reliance is also said to be working on multiple vendor options, including American and European manufacturers.

Reliance Infrastructure’s annual report for 2019-20 stated that the group has established multiple companies such as Reliance Armaments Ltd, Reliance Ammunition Ltd and Reliance SED to cater to the specific requirements of small arms, ammunition and defence electronics.

It had also said that Reliance Armament has received RFPs (Requests for Proposal) for LMGs, sniper rifles and other small programmes with the Ministry of Home Affairs valued at over Rs 6,000 crore over many years.

Of the other contenders for the LMG project, Bharat Forge has tied up with Bulgarian firm Arsenal, while the OFB has come out with an indigenous product.

Adani Group’s PLR systems is a joint venture with the Israel Weapons Industry (IWI) and they are fielding the Negev NG-7.

The IWI already has a fast-tracked procurement contract from the Army for about 16,000 of these Negev NG-7 and the first tranche has already reached soldiers in the Northern Command.

The Army contract, however, is directly with IWI and not with the Indian joint venture, which now manufactures various Israeli weapons at its Gwalior plant.

Final contract will take time
Even if the trial does take place on time, sources said that a final contract will be delayed. This is because the RFP allows any Indian company to present a product for trials.

If the weapon is selected, the Indian company will be given 18 months for Transfer of Technology (ToT) from the Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) and for the setting up of a production plant in India.

Once the plant is set up, the company will manufacture 10 serial production LMGs, which will be tested by the Army again to see if it fits the bill as the original.

It is not clear if the second round of trial planned will be as stringent as the first, which itself is yet to start.

Industry sources told ThePrint that the frontrunner for the LMG contract is PLR systems because its parent IWI already has a contract with the Army and the firm has a running production plant in Gwalior, which has started supplying various small arms to central armed police forces and the state police.
Trials delayed for reliance ?

And LMG isn't shown yet to anyone ?
 

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