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AK 203 contract for Amethi Factory soon: Army Chief Gen MM Naravane
The Amethi factory to manufacture modern assault rifles for the Army is likely to get operationalised soon, with the Army chief saying that a final contract is expected shortly and all issues have been sorted out.

The plan to manufacture 671427 of the AK 203 rifles at the factory has been under discussion for almost two years, with the contract stipulating 100% transfer of technology and possible exports in the future from the Indian plant.

“Negotiations are at an advanced stage. There were some last-minute hitches and hiccups and those have been ironed out now. I hope the final contract will be signed soon,” Army Chief Gen MM Naravane said in response to a ET question.

Sources said that as per current discussions, the rifles – to be made by a joint venture between Kalashnikov and the Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) – are expected to cost under Rs 70,000 a piece, significantly cheaper that US made rifles imported by the Army under an emergency order that cost the exchequer Rs 89,000 a piece.

Besides, India will get complete know how to manufacture modern assault rifles, given that the contract specifies that all of these need to be made completely in India from the first day. Sources said that there had been differences regarding the pricing of the deal, as OFB and Kalashnikov’s offer was deemed to be high but this is being sorted out.

A bulk of the cost for the rifles will go towards OFB which needs to absorb the technology. Sources said that the royalty per rifle to the Russian side will be just over Rs 6,000, against the rifle cost of Rs 70,000.

As reported by ET, the defence ministry had set up a pricing committee in June last year after difficulties in arriving at a final price for the project. The project has high priority on the bilateral agenda since an inter-governmental agreement was signed in January 2019.
acquiring the rights for a rifle from the 1940s good job!
Should have just mass produced the Trichy assault rifle if they wanted an ak so bad.
 

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acquiring the rights for a rifle from the 1940s good job!
Should have just mass produced the Trichy assault rifle if they wanted an ak so bad.
Indeed Trichy Assault Rifle factory modified with FAB kit is possibly the best option we currently have.

But this deal was very important; for the sake of balancing the cosmic chaos.

The Ruskies were seriously heartbroken. Pantsir lost to Korean Biho. Igla-S won the competition, but then there were allegations of corruption. People even started to question the whole S-400 deal.
So they needed a BJ. And that came in the form of AK-203; or should I say AK-103M.

And for the other reason I'll just leave you with a word; A-M-E-T-H-I.
 

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Indeed Trichy Assault Rifle factory modified with FAB kit is possibly the best option we currently have.

But this deal was very important; for the sake of balancing the cosmic chaos.

The Ruskies were seriously heartbroken. Pantsir lost to Korean Biho. Igla-S won the competition, but then there were allegations of corruption. People even started to question the whole S-400 deal.
So they needed a BJ. And that came in the form of AK-203; or should I say AK-103M.

And for the other reason I'll just leave you with a word; A-M-E-T-H-I.
Elections pass me hai na isliye
 

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acquiring the rights for a rifle from the 1940s good job!
Should have just mass produced the Trichy assault rifle if they wanted an ak so bad.
It's not a one time license fee either but 80-100 dollar per rifle royalty too.
 
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Compared to other homegrown designs, this one is very clearly thought-out and looks very refined.
And most importantly, it's something new. Not another rip-off in name of indigenous.

So kudos to Lt Col Prasad Bansod.

This uses a standard Glock fire control group and bolt subassemblies. And a redesigned bolt group-recoil spring in place of slide assembly.

IIRC, as of now there is only one other example that uses this concept. The X02 from FCU; same idea but Sig P320 parts in place of Glock's. And currently it's still in its designing phase.
 

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THE INDIAN ARMY’S ‘GENERAL KALASHNIKOV - LT COLONEL PRASAD BANSOD’ GIVES IT A NEW 9MM SUB-MACHINE GUN
For decades, the Indian Army struggled to replace its vintage Sterling carbine, a weapon that entered service in the closing stages of World War 2. The weapon chambered to fire the 9x19 mm cartridge. Over the past 15 years, the has often resorted to piecemeal imports of alternatives like the German H&K MP5, MP9 and the Uzi.


The answer, it turned out, lay within the world’s second largest army. An army officer has designed and produced the first prototypes of a compact 9 mm sub-machine gun. The ‘Asmi’ (pride), as it is called, was designed by Lt Colonel Prasad Bansod of the army’s Mhow-based Infantry school. The prototype weapon was produced in just four months in collaboration with the DRDO’s Pune-based Armament Research and Development Establishment (ARDE). The weapon was tested by firing over 300 rounds each. A smaller, sub-compact version of the weapon weighing less than 1.5 kg is in development. (An empty AK-47 type rifle weighs 3.4 kg). The weapon operates on a simple blowback principle, has a 33-round high-capacity magazine, a range of 100 metres and a rate of fire of 600 rounds per minute. It has an 8-inch barrel and an upper made of aircraft aluminium and a lower made of carbon fibre. The Indian Army is to file a patent for the weapon and is looking for a production partner to mass produce the weapon, recently displayed at an exhibition of indigenous innovations at the Delhi cantonment.



The Asmi will not replace primary assault rifles like the AK-47 and the INSAS which are in frontline service and which fire high-velocity ammunition. It is designed for use as a second-line personal weapon for tank and aircraft crews and in close combat situations like counter-terrorist operations and room interventions, in confined spaces like warships and merchant vessels and by VIP protection forces. Because it fires a subsonic 9x19 mm round, it could potentially find a huge market with the Central Police Organisations, state police forces as well as exports. With a likely production cost of between Rs 40,000 and 50,000 a weapon it is just one-third the cost of imported sub-machine guns like the MP5.

Some of the world’s best small arms have been designed by military personnel. The legendary AK-47 was designed by a tank commander, General Mikhail Kalashnikov, during World War 2. Israel’s iconic Uzi submachine gun was designed by Major Uziel Gal in the late 1940s. Lt Colonel Prasad first caught the attention of army top brass in 2019 when he reverse-engineered an INSAS rifle to produce a ‘bull-pup’ carbine variant, with a shorter barrel. This simple solution seemed to have eluded the original INSAS designers. The failure of the INSAS carbine variant (that was supposed to replace the 9 mm carbine in the 1990s) was one reason for a rush of imports.

Seen from the army perspective, the Asmi is the perfect solution for kitting out their soldiers with new gear like bulletproof jackets and carbines. Top army officials said that they want military personnel to drive import substitution technology. Major Anoop Mishra of the College of Military Engineering in Pune has designed an AK-47 bullet resistant helmet and bulletproof jacket and anti-personnel mine resistant boots. A report being prepared by the Army’s Shimla-based ARTRAC command is already identifying areas where army engineers can provide indigenous high technology solutions.

But with all defence hardware, the key challenge for the Asmi will begin when the weapon enters mass production. This is where issues like consistency of production, quality control and manufacturing processes will come into play. The INSAS is a case in point—an excellent design dogged by quality control issues throughout its service career. Its patchy past killed the promising future variant—the INSAS 1C and the Army strangely abandoned the design altogether. Kalashnikov’s during World War 2, was successful because it was backed by the resources of the Soviet state which put it into mass production and stabilised the design.

 

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Lt Col. Prasad Bansod should be given funds to develop AK 203 type and Sig 716 type assault rifles. I am sure with help from ARDE, he can do it in 3-4 months. Earlier he deisgned the bullpup from a standard INSAS rifle in 3 months working part-time.

His designed assault rifles can be manufactured by a production agency chosen by Army. It can even be Amethi factory or PLR Small arms factory.

At least this will stop the momentous wastage of public money in the AK203 deal done to please Russia.
 

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Lt Col. Prasad Bansod should be given funds to develop AK 203 type and Sig 716 type assault rifles. I am sure with help from ARDE, he can do it in 3-4 months. Earlier he deisgned the bullpup from a standard INSAS rifle in 3 months working part-time.

His designed assault rifles can be manufactured by a production agency chosen by Army. It can even be Amethi factory or PLR Small arms factory.

At least this will stop the momentous wastage of public money in the AK203 deal done to please Russia.
I think what’s happening here is that IA decided that, they would fund a sandbox internally for building competency within just like Navy did.

if this is the case, logical next step is increase the team size making these prototypes, ask them to build working proto types of small arms with no compulsion to take it to production.

idea is to build competency within.

in other words, ask should not be that Lt Col. Prasad Bansod make more prototypes, ask should be that Lt Col. Prasad Bansod make more Lt Col. Prasad Bansods so that more people are making more prototypes.
 

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At present it seems that Lt. Col. Bansod is working in an individual capacity with the Infantry school Mhow. Army needs to be proactive to set up a small arms design team under his leadership. This team should be made available high speed computers with CAD/CAM software installed. This team can interact with ARDE, OFB, private sector, IIT/IISc etc for materials and fabrication technology. The design they comes up with should be patented by the Army, and then they should select production agency through open tender.

The basic working mechanisms of small arms used around the world has not changed since the 60s. We are seeing the evolution of decdes old design be it AK or AR series. Similarly bolt-action designs of Mauser, Enfield, Remingtons are even older. Hence, the Army design team of qualified engineers under Lt. Col. Bansod should not have much difficulty in coming up with our own indegeneous designs.
 

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