INSAS Indian Small Arms System

[Bhadra]

Re: Indian Army Artillery

I am aware of the post posted here, And my post are repeated here..

RFI are given to selected tenders, If it was given to OFB there would have been a Operational Gun by now in large number, If you read the article you have given me, Its written OFB was ready with blue prints but never given green light until now..

Regarding 155 X 45cal upgrade, Its operational more than just 180 number specified, I dont have to look at Janes coz i have been seen them in operation theater..




All three Rifles are of different category, Insas is a good Rifle and it works in extreme condition accurately, What happened in 1999 and 2000 stays at that era, I dont know why such a nice rifle is being presented bad and hopeless by Indian Media and MOD where it is working not just fine but very good day to day ops in hands of regular soldiers..



Yes, without given specs by GSQR there would be no progress..

Kunal, In the IA every one is not in procurement and into drafting GSQR.

Most of them are users and as users their feelings and opinions on DODO maal is not positive when it comes to holding that gun in hands in real operations.

They must be heard and corrective measures taken. They are users and not a keptive market.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Re: Indian Army Artillery

Kunal, In the IA every one is not in procurement and into drafting GSQR.

Most of them are users and as users their feelings and opinions on DODO maal is not positive when it comes to holding that gun in hands in real operations.

They must be heard and corrective measures taken. They are users and not a keptive market.

Preciously, And that is exactly i have written in my post..

I am not a very good in marketing but using the gun first handed, Used in various places and it preformed well, You can visit some infantry unit on firing range and see the preform-ace of the rifle any-day..

 

[Bhadra]

Re: Indian Army Artillery

Preciously, And that is exactly i have written in my post..

I am not a very good in marketing but using the gun first handed, Used in various places and it preformed well, You can visit some infantry unit on firing range and see the preform-ace of the rifle any-day..

Firing range counts hits but combat situation demands kills. INSAS hits but does not kill.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Firing range counts hits but combat situation demands kills. INSAS hits but does not kill.

Same goes for all 5.56mm Rifles, As long as bullet hits the head or heart..

 

[Bhadra]

Same goes for all 5.56mm Rifles, As long as bullet hits the head or heart..

Not necessarily. All depends on bullet shape, size, design and wound ballistics. Compare trevor !! AK series though is much better.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Not necessarily. All depends on bullet shape, size, design and wound ballistics. Compare trevor !! AK series though is much better.

Bhadra ji, It is what i told..

All 5.56mm bullets even 5.45mm behave in same manner, TAR-21 use same bullets and it too kills when hit in head or heart, AK-74 dont use 5.56mm but 5.45, AKM or AK-47 use bigger and slower 7.62mm of m43..

AK-47/AKM bullets kill better but sacrifice range, Its accuracy is lesser with bigger recoil..

 

[Bhadra]

Bhadra ji, It is what i told..

All 5.56mm bullets even 5.45mm behave in same manner, TAR-21 use same bullets and it too kills when hit in head or heart, AK-74 dont use 5.56mm but 5.45, AKM or AK-47 use bigger and slower 7.62mm of m43..

AK-47/AKM bullets kill better but sacrifice range, Its accuracy is lesser with bigger recoil..

Kunal Ji,
Leave the technicalities aside. What soldiers need is to fulfil their requirement rather than technicalities. That is why any system like AK 47 which caters for their requirements is the best.

I agree that INSAS was made as per IA GSQR but that GSQR was applicable for conventional war fighting. Unfortunately, their employment has been dominated by CI operations. Requirement of an assault rifle for both happens to be different. you can not push down INSAS down their throats and say well this is what you asked for and now fight insurgency with it. He would turn around and say "but the govt never said you will fight insurgency for another 50 years"... hence stop blame game.

 

[bhramos]

What do you of this Gun???
[video=youtube_share;FUyOuwNCtNM]http://youtu.be/FUyOuwNCtNM[/video]

 

[pmaitra]

Which calibre is better? 7.62mm or 5.56mm/5.45mm?

Check this link: Russian rifle caliber wounding effects

 

[sayareakd]

army's job is to fight war, not anti terror operations, if they concentrate on anti terror, then war fighting ability would suffer. For anti terror use para military forces and equip them for that role. Army is not answer to all ills.

 

[Bhadra]

army's job is to fight war, not anti terror operations, if they concentrate on anti terror, then war fighting ability would suffer. For anti terror use para military forces and equip them for that role. Army is not answer to all ills.

I wish you are the PM and DM of the country. Ground realities are diffrent. Even CPOs are importing their rifles not using INSAS.

 

[sayareakd]

I wish you are the PM and DM of the country. Ground realities are diffrent. Even CPOs are importing their rifles not using INSAS.

If i had my way things would be much better, it has delayed, but not for long. Hope we will have game changer some day.

 

[AshutoshNSingh]

When NATO soldiers in Afghanistan,Iraq can kill Kalashnikov totting militants with 5.56mm rounds,why cant our jawans do the same in JK?

 

[sayareakd]

When NATO soldiers in Afghanistan,Iraq can kill Kalashnikov totting militants with 5.56mm rounds,why cant our jawans do the same in JK?

thanks for this good question, please introduce yourself in introduction section, it is called foreign mall mentality. Foreign mall is always better then domestic stuff, is their mental hurdles.

 

[Bhadra]

When NATO soldiers in Afghanistan,Iraq can kill Kalashnikov totting militants with 5.56mm rounds,why cant our jawans do the same in JK?

Be aware how many Kalashnikov the US and NATO troops have bought and used in Stan ! And that Kalashnikov is the favourite amongst soldiers in Stan whether one is from NATO or taliban.

By the way what numbers of close or CQB battles occur in Stan?

 

[hitesh]

insas is a semiauto unlike full auto 5.56mm rifles used by nato forces also the over length & weight of insas is larger than nato's rifles

 

[sayareakd]

he is talking about bullet caliber 5.56, it is not about rifle but about bullet.

 

[AshutoshNSingh]

thanks for this good question, please introduce yourself in introduction section, it is called foreign mall mentality. Foreign mall is always better then domestic stuff, is their mental hurdles.

Welcome. Wrote a bit about me over there. Thanks.
The round fired by INSAS is also more lethal than standard NATO rounds. And we must not forget that a lighter 5.56 outperforms 7.62x39 in accuracy,etc and also can be carried in a bigger quantity than the latter.

 

[W.G.Ewald]

By the way what numbers of close or CQB battles occur in Stan?

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[Kunal Biswas]

Kunal Ji,
Leave the technicalities aside. What soldiers need is to fulfil their requirement rather than technicalities. That is why any system like AK 47 which caters for their requirements is the best.

I agree that INSAS was made as per IA GSQR but that GSQR was applicable for conventional war fighting. Unfortunately, their employment has been dominated by CI operations. Requirement of an assault rifle for both happens to be different. you can not push down INSAS down their throats and say well this is what you asked for and now fight insurgency with it. He would turn around and say "but the govt never said you will fight insurgency for another 50 years"... hence stop blame game.

One cannot take decision based on one dimension of War, In peace you have CT ops in Wars you have battles to fight with regulars and SF at different terrains..

That is why multi-caliber Rifle in demand..

AK-47 & AKM have better stopping power, Same can be done with Insas just re-caliber it, But AKM were imported with higher cost, no argument there..

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One have to use both Rifles to know there difference and there advantages, As i can assume you haven't i will not go forward..