INS Vikramaditya (Adm Gorshkov) aircraft carrier

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The Kutznetsov at around 60,000 Tons is similar to the upcoming Queen Elizabeth Class of Aircraft carriers of the British navy in dimensions and aircraft complement. As such, we do expect them to have fairly similar sortie and recovery rates of the aircrafts operating onboard the aircraft carrier.

The QE carriers are expected to generate a maximum launch rate of 24 aircraft in 15 minutes and a maximum recovery rate of 24 aircraft in 24 minutes.
However for a five day period of operations, we have...
The carrier will support joint combat aircraft carrying out up to 420 sorties over five days and be able to conduct day and night time operations. The maximum sortie rate is 110 joint combat aircraft sorties in a 24-hour period.

Of course these estimates are based on an aircraft complement of 40 aircraft and well trained, well experienced crew.

Please keep in mind that sortie and launches are quite different terms.

However a word of caution in calculating sortie rates. Size of the aircraft carrier is not everything, nor is the aircraft complement the decisive factor in increasing or decreasing aircraft sortie and launch rates.

The USN, the sole operators of super carriers, have had mixed experiences with their carrier fleet.

The SURGEX (war-game/exercise) concept postulated carrier aircraft flying one-hour to 1.5-hour sorties and ringing up 200 sorties every 24 hours. With such time requirements, targets more than 200 miles from the carrier would prove to be out of reach.

However, Come Operation Desert Fox in 1998, and these expected sortie rates were found to be out of reach even with a complement of 36 F/A-18s, 10 F-14s, and six EA-6Bs. The best estimate is that CVW-3 logged about 50 strike sorties per day, for a sortie rate of 1.0.

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But having said all that, one fact that must be kept in mind in conducting strike missions is the persistence or staying time over target area. Its one thing to enter into an area, and quite another to stay there for a reasonable period of time to support ground operations and/or naval operations.

The talk is all about sorties, very little about persistence over the area and no (if I didn't miss it with my quick look) comparison of actual effect on target.
In short: A F-18 sortie that drops two bombs and loiters over target for an hour is treated as one sortie – just like a B-1B that drops ten bombs and loiters for hours over the area.
Thank You :namaste: I will read over them.

One quick question, I was actually asking about the Launch and recovery rates. Will the elevator placement of Vikky, which is just over the short run way will affect this Launch and recovery rate? SInce in a combat scenario we will have only only one lift operational.
 

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Why doesn't India sink the Virat (post retirement) or Ex vikrant as target during exercises? Have we ever drowned a ship as test target?

The Americans do such things many times.
Ex-INS Vikrant again headed for scrapyard
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LINK: dnaindia.com/india/report-ins-vikrant-again-headed-for-scrapyard-1929039

The Indian Navy has decided to re-auction the country's first aircraft carrier INS Vikrant after nearly 15 years of futile efforts to convert the decommissioned ship into a permanent museum, a top navy official said Tuesday.

"It is sad. But yes, we have initiated the process to e-auction it after the Maharashtra government communicated to us that they are not in a position to convert her into a permanent museum," Western Naval Command chief Vice-Admiral Shekhar Sinha said here.

The announcement to auction INS Vikrant on an "as is where is basis" came ironically on the eve of the Navy Day celebrations.

Earlier, the carrier was auctioned for Rs.58 million (Rs.5.80 crore) in 1999, but was saved from being condemned to the scrapyard after the intervention of then Shiv Sena chief Bal Thackeray.
 

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Just out of curiosity sir. Just in case we need more aircrafts to sustain Air dominance over a area. Will such setup work? Like i will mean we have the strength of two aircraft carriers in the theater, but only one aircraft carrier is physiclly present.
It makes no operational sense. The deck space is limited and so is the sortie rate. If you can launch and recover ac within a time period, what is the need to fly in ac from Andamans? We can look to do it to make up for attrition due to war.
 

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INS Magar and Arivat are known as Large tank landing Ships, But they also operate Cranes to lower their landing crafts besides from the front ..

Here a gud detailed picture by me on the Subject .. --------------- >



Specs :

Speed: 28 knots (52 km/h)
Range: 6,500 mi (10,500 km) at 14 knots (26 km/h)
Complement : Maximum 2,100;1,207 ship's crew,143 air crew

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India wont be having a Assault carrier in near future, Viraat fits the job with a extensive extension she can do the work much better ..

Untill we get a Assault Carrier, Its logical to put Virrat in duty ..

imho, wouldnt an amphibious assault ship require its front to be able to open like that of INS Magar?

also, even if it does carry landing craft, how will viraat launch them?

there is no platform for that except for cranes i'd say (which doesn't seem a very good option).


imho, wouldnt an amphibious assault ship require its front to be able to open like that of INS Magar? also, even if it does carry landing craft, how will viraat launch them? there is no platform for that except for cranes i'd say (which doesn't seem a very good option).

now as far as stationing helicopters on her go, that is an excellent idea. after all, she used to be a helicopter carrier in her earlier days! but it all depends on the life of the carrier. she is more than 50 years old in any case.
 

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Commodore Suraj Berry's finest hour


December 4, India's Navy Day is a doubly festive occasion for the crew of the INS Vikramaditya, with the state of the art aircraft carrier now part of the Indian Navy and bound for Karwar . Few people are as delighted as the ship's commanding officer Commodore Suraj Berry. Since taking over the vessel on November 16, 2013, Commodore Berry has shouldered a large responsibility. He is aware of his obligations, believes in his team, and is ready to tap his reserves of experience. Commodore Berry has 26 years of naval service under his belt.
He recalls how he was born into a military family, studied at a naval academy, and was joined the Indian Navy in 1987. Although he considered himself an expert in artillery and rocket launchers, he was assigned other duties. His professional biography includes service aboard the Subhadra coastal patrol vessel, the Pralaya missile boat, and the Ranjit, Ranvir, and Delhi destroyers.

"I had the honour and privilege to be a member of the crew of the Delhi destroyer," he said in an interview with Rossiyskaya Gazeta. "I commanded the Nirbhik missile boat, the Karmuk patrol ship, and the Talwar frigate. Onshore, I performed duties at the headquarters of the Western Naval Command and was as an officer — an expert in Frontier-E coastal missile battery operations; I also served as a defence adviser to Sri Lanka and the Maldives, as director of recruitment at the Indian Navy HQ, and as an assistant to the Chief of Naval Staff. Furthermore, I completed courses in naval staff recruitment at the US Naval War College in Rhode Island."

We will add a bit of colour to Commodore Berry's rather dry assessment of himself. At Rhode Island, he graduated with honours. For operations after the tsunami in Sri Lanka and the Maldives, he was awarded the Vishisht Seva Medal for Distinguished Service, and during his specialization courses, he was conferred the title "Best Multidisciplinary Officer."
Suraj Berry's appointment as commander of the Vikramaditya came in March 2012. Asked how his family had reacted to the news, he replied laconically in military fashion: "They are happy and proud of the trust that our fleet has placed in me."


Members of the Russian delivery team that prepared and tested the seaworthiness of the vessel spent more than 122 days with the Indian crew on the White and Barents seas. They noted the qualities of Suraj Berry's leadership — his high work capacity, personal organization, erudition, and exacting standards of himself and his subordinates.

He expounds his life principles and attitude to service as follows: "Work honestly and responsibly in the service of your country and fleet. What's good for the ship and the fleet is good for all. Make every effort to study and work in a team — the ship and crew come first. Planning ahead and optimal use of resources are the key to success. Ultimately, what matters are the people who serve the mechanisms. The Indian Navy is full of outstanding professionals, ready for any challenge, anywhere, anytime. I am honoUred to be among them..."

During the tests, the aircraft carrier covered 1700 miles under Commodore Berry's command. Moreover, during the period 2012-2013, 875 Indian officers and sailors gained practical experience aboard the Vikramaditya. They solved many important and difficult tasks. But perhaps the most striking event was the first landing of a MiG-29 KUB on the deck of the carrier.

Commodore Berry and his subordinates remember well the day and the hour — July 28, 2012, 0930 Moscow time — when MiG test pilots Mikhail Belyaev and Hero of Russia Nikolai Diorditsa touched down into the arresting gear of the Vikramaditya with meticulous precision. The mood was one of joy and elation, followed by a debriefing and clearance for takeoff. The fighter taxied to the starting position, hit the afterburner switch, and after several seconds of acceleration tore away from the ramp. After multiple passes over the ship, the pilots performed another beautifully soft landing.

"The safe, successful landing of the MiG-29 KUB and subsequent takeoff was a dream a long time in the making," said Commodore Berry at the time. "It was the dream and goal of Sevmash, RAC MiG, and the Russian and Indian fleets. Together, we sought to turn the ship into an aircraft carrier. There were successes and failures along the way. But we were all focused on a positive outcome, and got the job done."

The day before, says the commander, the entire Indian crew had gathered in the hangar of the Vikramaditya for a prayer meeting. They prayed that the launch at sea and first landing would go well. "And today we are happy," Berry said.

A year later, when carrier-based fighters (not to mention helicopters) had made more than 50 takeoffs and landings on the Vikramaditya, and the carrier itself had been tested at maximum speed, Commodore Berry praised the combat qualities of the "floating airfield."
"The high class of the vessel has been confirmed by speed tests and night flights — all executed flawlessly."


Noting the achievements of the shipbuilders of Sevmash, the experts of Nevsky Design Bureau, and the pilots of RAC MiG, the commander of the Indian crew individually thanked his colleagues: senior officers of the Russian Navy First Rank Captains Alexander Shevchenko and Igor Ryabko, who were always close by at the most crucial moments of the tests to share their experience and help master the controls of this unfamiliar (for India) vessel.
During the two years he spent in northern Russia, Suraj Berry, in his own words, found many new friends and made the acquaintance of real professionals.

"Severodvinsk for me became a home far from home. The hospitality and respect shown to me in this marine city will live in the memory. I'm sure I'll remember Severodvinsk until the end of my days. And I look forward to returning for a glimpse of the cedar tree I planted."


Commodore Suraj Berry's finest hour | Russia & India Report
 
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President Pranab Mukherjee releases stamp on INS Vikramaditya


President Pranab Mukherjee on Wednesday released a postal stamp and First Day cover on INS Vikramaditya, the aircraft carrier that was commissioned in the Navy last month.

The president released the stamp at the "At Home" function hosted by Chief of Naval Staff Admiral DK Joshi on the occasion of Navy Day.


President Pranab Mukherjee releases stamp on INS Vikramaditya - India - DNA
 

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President releases stamp on INS Vikramaditya

New Delhi: President Pranab Mukherjee Wednesday released a postal stamp and First Day cover on INS Vikramaditya, the aircraft carrier that was commissioned in the Navy last month.

The president released the stamp at the "At Home" function hosted by Chief of Naval Staff Admiral D.K. Joshi on the occasion of Navy Day.

The function was attended by Vice President Hamid Ansari, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and Congress president Sonia Gandhi.

Defence Minister AK Antony was among those present.

INS Vikramaditya, the Indian Navy's latest, largest and most powerful aircraft carrier, was commissioned on Nov 16 in Russia. The warship is on its way to India from Russia.

President releases stamp on INS Vikramaditya
 

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How do they recollect the downed aircraft from Sea? I read that viky has a large enough crane that can lift aircraft from Sea..

Second question, What will they do with the downed aircraft. I mean , how will they transport it to a land based facility? Or will the aircraft be put in Viky's hangar until He returns to a Harbour?
 

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@nirranj Do you mean planes overshoot the runway while landing and fall into the sea??? I think in this era of aircraft carrier operations that is a highly unlikely scenario. But, this is a possibility if aircraft fail to take off successfully. In such a case, I think the ship will dash the plane and most likely it will be fatal.

Because, while coming into land, the planes are on full power and if they miss the cable they climb and come around for another try.
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@nirranj Do you mean planes overshoot the runway while landing and fall into the sea??? I think in this era of aircraft carrier operations that is a highly unlikely scenario. But, this is a possibility if aircraft fail to take off successfully. In such a case, I think the ship will dash the plane and most likely it will be fatal.

Because, while coming into land, the planes are on full power and if they miss the cable they climb and come around for another try.
@Decklander
maybe this youtube vid will change your mind:

watch?v=1c0lfwxRpj0


in any case, is it possible to lift a downed plane from the water? won't it rapidly sink?
also, does it make sense to do so? the US had to throw away some of its aircraft from its carriers while returning from vietnam.

btw how do i post video links on this forum?
 
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@nirranj Do you mean planes overshoot the runway while landing and fall into the sea??? I think in this era of aircraft carrier operations that is a highly unlikely scenario. But, this is a possibility if aircraft fail to take off successfully. In such a case, I think the ship will dash the plane and most likely it will be fatal.

Because, while coming into land, the planes are on full power and if they miss the cable they climb and come around for another try.
@Decklander
I already answered this question. On deck we fly the ac to the deck and open full thrust so that in case we do not engage the wire, we are already on full power for go around.
In case an ac crashes while going around and ditches into the sea, the angled deck provides the protection to the ac & the ship but in case the ac ditches while getting airborne, the carrier will go over the ac and the pilot has to wait to allow the ac to sink about 80 feet before ejecting underwater or opening the canopy to swim out of it. If this is not done, the pilot after coming out of the ac will be sucked in by the propellers of the ship and will be churned into small pieces. Only two pilots till date have survived such crashes and one of them was Rear Adm Peter Arther Debrass (Retd) of IN. he survived one such crash on Sea Hawk when the catapult failed to generate full steam and the ac ditched right in front of the ship. He ejected straight away and hit the bottom of the ship. he was lucky to have been caught by the bow wave which threw him to the side of the ship and he escaped being sucked into the ship's propellers.
 
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India's Vikramaditya aircraft carrier casts anchor off Murmansk

The Indian Navy's Vikramaditya aircraft carrier cast anchor off in the Kola Bay off Russia's northern city of Murmansk on Friday, December 6.

The aircraft carrier had run into a storm in the Barents Sea and had to make a stop in the Kola Bay where two other Indian ships, frigate Trikand and tanker Deepak, had dropped anchors earlier. The ships are expected to stay until December 8 and then leave Russia's territorial waters with the Vikramaditya leading the way.

Russia handed over the Vikramaditya aircraft carrier to the Indian Navy on November 16.

After a complete overhaul, the ship got a new flight deck and a ski-jump ramp for MiG-29K jet fighters, navigation, radar, communication and flight control systems, other equipment and units. Russia also trained an Indian crew of about 1,500 personnel and will build infrastructure for the aircraft carrier in the Indian Ocean. The ship is expected to operate for 25-30 years.

Its full water displacement is 45,000 tonnes, maximum length is 283.5 metres and maximum width is 59.8 metres (increased by 8.8 metres from the original ship). The ship can carry 30 aircraft, including MiG-29K het fighters and Ka-27 and Ka-31 helicopters. Its crew is about 2,000 members.

Russia's Severodvinsk-based defence shipyard Sevmash in the northern Arkhangelsk region, which upgraded the Vikramaditya aircraft carrier, will also provide post-warranty services for the ship for the next 20 years.

After the transfer of the ship to the Indian Navy, Sevmash engineers and specialists will provide warranty maintenance services for the aircraft carrier for one year.

During the three-month sea trials the ship demonstrated excellent seaworthiness, speed of 27.9 knots (about 52 kilometres per hour) and manoeuvrability. MiG specialists praised the ski-jump ramp.

All in all, the ship sailed for 19,500 miles during two seasons of sea trials, with 778 flights performed from its deck by aircraft and helicopters.

Russia's Northern Fleet aviation was involved in the sea trials: aircraft and helicopters flew around and over the ship in order to check its radar, air defence, communication and control systems.

During the first stage of the trials in the White Sea, the ship's physical fields were measured, and the crew practiced fuelling and fresh water replenishing operations.

The ship was initially scheduled to be commissioned on December 4, 2012. However its transfer to India was postponed until the end of 2013 after the problems during the sea trials.

Under a package inter-governmental agreement signed in New Delhi in January 2004, the body of the Russian aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov, later renamed to Vikramaditya, was transferred to India for free subject to its upgrading at Sevmash and armament with Russian aircraft.

The overall cost of the contract was estimated at 1.5 billion US dollars, of which about 974 million US dollars were intended for the conversion of the ship into a full-scale aircraft carrier. All work was supposed to be completed in 2008. However the completion date has been postponed. According to unofficial data, the final cost of the aircraft carrier is 2.3 billion US dollars.

The Admiral Gorshkov was built in Nikolayev under the name of Baku and put to service in the Northern Fleet in 1987. It is 283 metres long, 51 metres wide, with water displacement of over 45,000 tonnes.

The Vikramaditya left Russia's territorial waters in late November and should arrive in India in late January or early February 2014.
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I really hope Navy allowed a video-documentary crew of NatGeo calibre aboard Vikramaditya to document the entire journey till Indian waters. It will make for a great watch.
 

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How do they recollect the downed aircraft from Sea? I read that viky has a large enough crane that can lift aircraft from Sea..

Second question, What will they do with the downed aircraft. I mean , how will they transport it to a land based facility? Or will the aircraft be put in Viky's hangar until He returns to a Harbour?
You make it sound like ditching in the sea is a routine experience and not a catastrophe. Most ditchings result in fatalities and almost always result in the writing-off of the a/c. It's highly unlikely any fighter is going to receive air-safety clearances after being submerged in water not to mention the costs of repairing such a highly damaged bird would be enormous. That is if the bird is even recoverable and hasn't broken up on impact.
 

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Only two pilots till date have survived such crashes and one of them was Rear Adm Peter Arther Debrass (Retd) of IN. he survived one such crash on Sea Hawk when the catapult failed to generate full steam and the ac ditched right in front of the ship. He ejected straight away and hit the bottom of the ship. he was lucky to have been caught by the bow wave which threw him to the side of the ship and he escaped being sucked into the ship's propellers.
And here is the story..
Bharat-Rakshak.com :: NAVY - Aircraft Underwater
 

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