INS Vikramaditya (Adm Gorshkov) aircraft carrier

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See about Mid-Deck lift... Not to small to be able to be used only for choppers...

4:45 onwards...

[video=youtube_share;SWkwQPRT2hs]http://youtu.be/SWkwQPRT2hs[/video]

Does anyone know for sure if the N-LCA will fit this ship? The elevator looks tiny, and though the Tejas is small, I haven't heard if the wings will fold (maybe they don't need to).
It is quite small, but as I've said elsewhere, we need to know the elevator's exact dimensions before we can realistically discuss Vikramditya operating any jets other than the Mig-29K.
- Only one of the Viky's elevators is rated for the Mig-29K's weight; the other is only good for helicopters.
 
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^^

Now that was an excellent video. Great find and thanks for sharing!
 

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Indian Navy pilots to train in Russia for Gorshkov operations | idrw.org
SOURCE: PTI

Preparing to induct Admiral Gorshkov aircraft carrier, the Indian Navy has sent a batch of ten pilots to Russia for training to land and take-off fighter aircraft from the 44,500 tonne warship.

The Navy is going to induct the Admiral Gorshkov aircraft carrier now rechristened INS Vikramaditya on November 16 at the Sevmash shipyard in Russia and it is expected to reach India by January-end next year.

10 Navy pilots have been sent to Russia for training in landing and take-off from aircraft carriers and they will practise on the shore-based test facilities provided by the Russian Government, Navy officials said here.

The officials will undergo training for three to four months and would be ready for operating from the aircraft carrier by the time INS Vikramaditya reaches its bases in Karwar in Karnataka, they said.

The Navy has already procured 21 MiG 29K maritime combat aircraft and is expected to induct 24 more such aircraft in the next couple of years, they said.

The MiG 29Ks and the Admiral Gorshkov were ordered together by India for the aircraft carrier in 2004 but the Gorshkov has been delayed by over five years and has seen its cost getting doubled to USD 2.3 billion in this time-period.

The induction of Gorshkov will see the Navy having two operational carriers, including INS Viraat. India is also manufacturing its first indigenous aircraft carrier in Cochin which is likely to be operational by 2018
 

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The other one (behind the island) is obviously bigger than the mid-deck one (adjacent to the island)...
Ah, I see... still only 20 tonnes vs 30 tonnes for the aft lift. Not enough for a "fully-loaded" Mig-29, but adequate for use much of the time (and for TV shows). Still waiting to hear about the exact width though.
 

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The other one (behind the island) is obviously bigger than the mid-deck one (adjacent to the island)...
Yes, it is bigger. It can take in a MiG-29 with its wings folded, but can it take in an N-LCA with its wings that do not fold?
 

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Yes, it is bigger. It can take in a MiG-29 with its wings folded, but can it take in an N-LCA with its wings that do not fold?
I did some poking around not too long ago, and N-LCA doesn't have any elevator issues here. Hell, even Rafale might fit (barely). Unfortunately, I'm too lazy to go find the sources again.
 

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Ah, I see... still only 20 tonnes vs 30 tonnes for the aft lift. Not enough for a "fully-loaded" Mig-29, but adequate for use much of the time (and for TV shows). Still waiting to hear about the exact width though.
Ordinance is never carried below the deck with he aircraft. Ordinance is always loaded on the deck and brought up by a separate lift. So there is no question of being loaded or unloaded. Aircraft are fueled on the deck
 

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Indian Navy pilots to train in Russia for Gorshkov operations
Published October 31, 2013 | By admin

SOURCE: PTI

Preparing to induct Admiral Gorshkov aircraft carrier, the Indian Navy has sent a batch of ten pilots to Russia for training to land and take-off fighter aircraft from the 44,500 tonne warship.

The Navy is going to induct the Admiral Gorshkov aircraft carrier now rechristened INS Vikramaditya on November 16 at the Sevmash shipyard in Russia and it is expected to reach India by January-end next year.

10 Navy pilots have been sent to Russia for training in landing and take-off from aircraft carriers and they will practise on the shore-based test facilities provided by the Russian Government, Navy officials said here.

The officials will undergo training for three to four months and would be ready for operating from the aircraft carrier by the time INS Vikramaditya reaches its bases in Karwar in Karnataka, they said.

The Navy has already procured 21 MiG 29K maritime combat aircraft and is expected to induct 24 more such aircraft in the next couple of years, they said.

The MiG 29Ks and the Admiral Gorshkov were ordered together by India for the aircraft carrier in 2004 but the Gorshkov has been delayed by over five years and has seen its cost getting doubled to USD 2.3 billion in this time-period.

The induction of Gorshkov will see the Navy having two operational carriers, including INS Viraat. India is also manufacturing its first indigenous aircraft carrier in Cochin which is likely to be operational by 2018

Indian Navy pilots to train in Russia for Gorshkov operations | idrw.org
 

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I have question has indian pilots got experience in landing fighter planes on aircraft carriers apart from harrier. from my understanding the harrier landing usually is done on a near vertical landing with some forward speed. with the mig-29K the take off experience is the same to harrier but the landing ... has indian pilots got experience landing such planes before. did the indian pilots land the harriers without vertical landings.

exciting to see the vikramaditya and also moon mission near about each other.
 

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I have question has indian pilots got experience in landing fighter planes on aircraft carriers apart from harrier. from my understanding the harrier landing usually is done on a near vertical landing with some forward speed. with the mig-29K the take off experience is the same to harrier but the landing ... has indian pilots got experience landing such planes before. did the indian pilots land the harriers without vertical landings.

exciting to see the vikramaditya and also moon mission near about each other.
Indian pilots are already trained on USN Carriers...

source: Indian Pilot Records First At Sea Qualification Aboard Carrier

first man of IN



pic Source: Livefist: EXCLUSIVE Photos: India's first "new mould" tailhook fighter pilot
 

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The pilot is Cmde Surendra Ahuja, 66th course NDA and my flying coursemate from 141PC and also sqn mate. He is presently posted in Delhi as DNAS.
what is the full form of DNAS?
i think some type of Defence National and Security adviser!
if he is an Adviser why does he need Pilot training? his experiance gained will be waste, if he cant teach new navy pilots!!!
 

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Shouldn't be a problem as all fuel and weapons are loaded in a craft only after it has been lifted up on the deck.

Ah, I see... still only 20 tonnes vs 30 tonnes for the aft lift. Not enough for a "fully-loaded" Mig-29, but adequate for use much of the time (and for TV shows). Still waiting to hear about the exact width though.
 

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Gorshkov to be fully operational within 6 months of arrival | idrw.org
SOURCE : UNI

Even as a batch of highly skilled pilots leaves for Russia this week for the next phase of training, Indian Navy has fully geared itself to make the new Carrier Battle Group, led by Admiral Gorshkov, operational within six months of taking the delivery of the much-awaited aircraft carrier on November 16.

"We are fully confident and more than ready to make the largest platform of our fleet operational within six months of the ship's arrival and all the arrangements are being put in place to achieve the objective," an upbeat Navy official said, while confirming that a batch of ten pilots will leave for Russia this week for simulator and SBT (Shore Based Training) operations.

The exercises comprises second phase of their training before they undergo the final phase of deck flying when the ship will reach India. These pilots completed the first phase back home and some of them also visited the US for gaining advance skills, the official said.

As many as 500 sorties have been completed from the deck of Admiral Gorshkov, which has undergone vigorous sea trials for more than 100 days, closely watched by a team of highly qualified Indian Navy officials, who have been reviewing every aspect of the delivery acceptance trials in White and Barrents Seas.

Eighty per cent of 1,608 naval personnel, including more than 100 officers, who will be deployed on INS Vikramadiya, have already reached Russia to take control of the ship.

It will be handed over to the Indian Navy on November 15 with the formal commissioning slated on November 16 in presence of Defence Minister A K Antony and Chief of Naval Staff Admiral D K Joshi in Sevmash Shipyard of Russia, where the ship is being given final touches for the D-day.

The pilots, with full component of MIG 29 K fighters, were also taken to Eastern Seaboard for intensive flying after the formal raising of the first squadron IN 303 on the occasion of golden jubilee of Aviation Arm of the Indian Navy on May 13 this year in Goa.

Fighter flying is the most critical part of making the carrier battle group fully operational, said the official, adding the one year extra delay in the delivery provided an ample opportunity to the Navy to prepare itself for the new induction.

All the 16 MIG 29 K aircraft contracted in original agreement and five of the 29 aircraft of follow on order have arrived in India and are undergoing intensive flying from the Shore Based Training strip of INS Hansa in Goa.
 

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See about Mid-Deck lift... Not to small to be able to be used only for choppers...

4:45 onwards...

[video=youtube_share;SWkwQPRT2hs]http://youtu.be/SWkwQPRT2hs[/video]
It would have been better had the video been in English. :( Do you have a link for the same video in English or with English subtitles?
 
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Vikramaditya’s induction set to boost India’s blue water force | idrw.org
SOURCE: DHNS



On a cold day in Belfast in March, 1961, when Royal aircraft carrier HMS Hercules was inducted in the Indian Navy as INS Vikrant in the presence of then Indian high commissioner to the UK Vijayalakshmi Pandit, it was the first step in realising an ambitious goal, drawn up by early planners in the navy.

Half a century later when defence minister A K Antony will receive India's biggest aircraft carrier Vikramaditya on yet another cold morning in Russia later this month, the circle will be completed for the blue water force.

Soon after the Independence in August 1947, a team of four navy officers sketched an outline for reorganisation and development of Indian Navy. The team was headed by Rear Admiral JTS Hall, the first Chief of the Royal Indian Navy as it was then known, and included Commander AK Chatterjee (later Admiral and Chief of Naval Staff) Lt Cdr N Krishnan (later Vice Admiral) and Lt Cdr YN Singh, Indian Navy's first aviator. They planned for two fleets, each centering around a aircraft carrier.



Aircraft carriers arrived in the military scene at the turn of the century. But the world saw their usefulness in military operations during the World War-II as these ships were the backbone of the fleets operated by the US, British and Japanese navies. Post world war-II, when India looked for a carrier within its limited defence budget, the UK offered the unfinished HMS Hercules in 1957.

INS Vikrant was ordered as HMS Hercules by the Royal Navy. The ship was laid down in November and was launched in water on September 22, 1945. With the end of World War II, the construction was suspended in May 1946. New Delhi paid a princely sum of about 67 million pounds for the ship. It was put through an extensive refurbishment including an angled deck and steam catapults, making it a potent CATOBAR (Catapult Assisted Take Off but Arrested Recovery) aircraft carrier. The air wing consisted of British Sea Hawk fighter-bombers and French Alize anti-submarine aircraft. On May 18, 1961, the first jet landed on her deck piloted by Lieutenant (later Admiral and Chief of Naval Staff) Radhakrishna Hariram Tahiliani.

INS Vikrant missed the action in 1965 Indo-Pak war as it was in dry dock undergoing refit, when the war broke out. But in 1971, it played a pivotal role in the eastern theatre. Stationed off the Andaman and Nicobar Islands, it was redeployed towards Chittagong at the outbreak of hostilities. The Sea Hawks struck shipping in the Chittagong and Cox's Bazar harbours, sinking or incapacitating most ships in the harbour and crippling Pakistan's efforts.

Search for a new carrier

As INS Vikrant was getting old (decommissioned in 1997), the Navy looked for a new carrier. The UK offered one of its operational carriers HMS Hermes that fought in the 1982 Falklands war. It served with the Royal Navy until April, 1984 and was taken off from active duty in 1985. A year later, India purchased the vessel at a cost of approximately 80 million pounds and gave it an extensive refit at Davenport dockyard to extend its life by 10 years.

Rechristened as INS Viraat, the ship was commissioned in 1987. It is still going strong after 25 years, thanks to Indian engineering and innovation. After the arrival of INS Vikramaditya, for the first time, India will have two operational aircraft carriers as the ageing warhorse INS Viraat will be in service till 2020 when the new INS Vikrant – under construction at Kochi at the moment – joins the fleet.

"Two operational carrier battle groups give us opportunity to project power and maintain presence in the large number of sea lanes of communications, which are the lifeline of the world as far as energy security is concerned," Admiral Sekhar Sinha, Flag Officer Commander-in-Chief of Western Naval Command and one of the first Indian pilots to land on the decks of Vikramaditya told Deccan Herald.

The 1947 vision of having two carriers was reiterated in a 1964 cabinet decision that emphasised to have three aircraft carriers in order to have two functional carriers all the time as one carrier will need to be in the harbour periodically for round-the-year operation. Having two carriers definitely gives India strategic advantage compared to China and Pakistan, but it is not the ideal situation.

"With two aircraft carriers available we will be able to keep at least one aircraft carrier operationally deployed at all times. Availability of two carriers also gives us multiple tactical and strategic options to virtually keep under surveillance and monitor sea lanes in the entire Arabian Sea," Sinha says.

Indian Navy is acquiring the maritime muscles at a time when China has commissioned its first carrier Liaoning (Varyag) after almost 12 years of refit. Between 1998 and 2002, China purchased two decommissioned aircraft carriers named Kiev and Minsk from Russia, which were converted as museum and a place of tourist attractions.

So not much attention was paid when Beijing bought an unfinished Admiral Kuznetsov class carrier called Varyag from Ukraine, claiming it would be converted into a casino. Only when the ship is halfway through to its destination port at Dalian, Chinese leadership let it be known their intention of converting it into an aircraft carrier. Liaoning was commissioned in September 2012. China also has "Project 048" for indigenous development of "special large military ships" — a possible euphemism for aircraft carriers.
 

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