INS Chakra/Akula II

[Sridhar]

Thursday, October 7, 2010

Nerpa will go to India soon


Despite previous reports about further delay in delivery the Akula-II class SSN to India, the Russian military-industrial source confirmed Nerpa is ready to go to India. After the last India-Russia intergovernmental commission session the RosoboronExport Director General Anatoly Isaykin said to Russian news agency ARMS-TASS, that Nerpa will be transferred to India this year. 'There is no delay in the tests' - he said. As was reported before, the Indian crew will come to Vladivostok, conduct testing in open sea and then the act of transfer must be signed. The submarine will go to India guided by its Indian crew.

Between other news, leaked after the Russia-India military-tech cooperation meeting, RosoboronExport chief hinted the further spending for the joint PAK FA\FGFA program will be calculated with regarding to the fact that the Russian side has already spent a lot of money for PAK FA project, i.e. may not be equal. 'In fact we already have the plane for our sevice (PAK FA), now the advanced export variant development is needed' - he said. He expects signing the final agreement till year end.

In addition, the new deal for Su-30MKI aircrafts supply to India is prepared and even can be signed this year, the RosoboronExport source said.

Defunct Humanity

 

[nitesh]

relevant portion for this thread:

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/Story/117399/the-chipak-threat.html?complete=1

One nuclear-powered attack submarine or SSN (Akula-2 INS Chakra being leased from Russia in 2011. Second SSN in the Twelfth Plan).

 

[sandeepdg]

Somehow, I don't see what extraordinary capability addition the Akulas will offer us, as the most important weapon in underwater warfare, an SLBM is not present in our armory, and even if it did, we couldn't have used them on these subs as they are on lease from Russia. Using such a fantastic vessel without its legendary weapon, gives a feeling of serious under-utilization of its true capabilities. So unless, we do some miracle with the Arihant design, and turn it into a true SLBM carrier, or build something like an Akula on our own, we are still far behind our most potent adversary.

 

[Tshering22]

^^ Sandeep, the submarine is meant to train IN crew on how to operate a nuclear submarine as well as to keep that "psychological edge" in the minds of those who fancy a picnic in Indian territory. Arihant on the other hand is a nuclear SSBN capable of launching IRBMs and possibly ICBMs as well in the future apart from having torpedoes and cruise missiles for their defense.

This sub is more or less training stuff meant to get sailors familiar with basic common functions of all nuclear submarines and since we're planning a 5-SSBN crew, it means we need a vessel for the next 10 years minimum before adequate simulation training equipment is developed which will take time.

 

[mani1090]

India unhappy as Russia may miss N-sub target

India's quest to operate a nuclear submarine for its strategic needs has met with yet another hurdle. The much-awaited Akula-II class, 8,140 tonne Nerpa attack submarine from Russia, will not meet its year-end schedule of delivery to the Indian Navy.

Sources said the Navy, as of now, has refused to accept the submarine from its Russian counterparts citing inadequate training for its teams to operate the vessel. The submarine is to be leased by Russia for 10 years under a $650-million pact signed in January 2004.

The Indian naval teams do not have enough under-sea operating experience on board the nuclear-powered Nerpa, hence the Russians have been told to provide more hours of training, sources confirmed to The Tribune. The training of the Navy teams has been going on for the past one year but the top brass is "not satisfied" with the operational ability that has been acquired so far. This training will take some five months to complete, which means a new delivery deadline of March 2011 has been fixed.

This is the third such shift in the deadline for the delivery of the vessel. The Nerpa was initially slated for lease to India in mid-2008. An accident on board the undertrial submarine in the Sea of Japan killed 20 Russian sailors. After a $65 million re-fit later, the delivery was rescheduled for June this year. The Indo-Russian group on military technical cooperation met in July this year. The Russians promised that the submarine would be handed over to India by the end of this year.

The operation of a nuclear submarine is different from a conventional submarine. Indian Navy last operated one some 19 years ago in 1991. Since, the officers who operated it have long retired taking with them the "institutional memory". Since 1991, the ability of Russia, carved out of the erstwhile USSR, diminished to build world class vessels for itself. India did not have tie-ups with other countries. The one with France to build six diesel-electric powered submarines, the scorpene, was signed only a few years ago.

The Nerpa is vital as it will bridge the operational gap between now and the commissioning of the indigenously built nuclear-sub, the INS Arihant, which will join the fleet in 2012. The Arihant will have two more follow-on nuclear-subs and the three in total will cost India Rs 33,000 crore.

Technically, the Nerpa at 110-metre length is considered the quietest and deadliest of all Russian nuclear-powered submarines. The Amur Shipyard located in the Russian far-east has further reduced its acoustic noises. Unlike its diesel-electric powered cousins, the Nerpa, being N-powered, does not have to surface to "breathe". It can remain under water for 100 days while conventional subs surface every few days to take in air.

 

[bhramos]

Is INS Chakra [Akula-II] this old!!!

Is INS Chakra [Akula-II] this old!!!

please give me reply... This is the video about Akula-II and Inside Akula-II

 

[nitesh]

pushed to October

http://rian.ru/defense_safety/20110316/354448429.html

"The boat is fully ready for transfer. We have it work out the problem with Indian crew of Russian instructors. Prior to October, this task must be executed, and so we're going to delay" - a spokesman said.

He clarified that the Indian submariners have to take a full course of training, including work out firing cruise missiles.

"We now need to completely" otplavat "Indian crew," - said the admiral.

According to sources, RIA Novosti, according to the contract, lease boat is ten years, the price - $ 920 million.

APL "Seal" (K-152, project 971, class "Pike-B) belongs to the third generation of submarines, it was laid down at the Amur shipyard in Komsomolsk-on-Amur in 1991. However, in mid-1990 funding for the construction of the boat was frozen. Completion of the submarine was only possible after funding from India.

Displacement of the submarine is 8140/12770 tons, maximum speed - 30 knots, the maximum depth - 600 meters, autonomy - 100 days, the crew - 73 men armed - four 533 mm torpedo tubes, four 650 mm torpedo tubes.

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

how good is akula compared to us-virginia class ssn?

 

[plugwater]

The history of cooperation with India on nuclear submarines, begun with the Chakra lease, lived on with a 2000 agreement for a long-term lease of the K-152 Nerpa third-generation multi-purpose nuclear submarine (order 518, developed by SPMBM Malakhit). At the time the agreement was being signed, the Nerpa was 86.5% technically ready. It was envisaged that a second submarine of the same type, built by the same company (order 519, around 60% ready), would be completed and leased to India subsequently. The final contract was signed in 2005. The total value of the agreement with India for the completion and lease of the two nuclear submarines is estimated at $1.8 billion, including $650m for the Nerpa contract.
The Nerpa has been undergoing running tests since 2008, and is expected to be delivered to the Indian side in the spring of 2011. It will get the same name, Chakra, once commissioned by the Indian Navy.This year will likely see the completion of the second submarine for India be resumed.

http://indrus.in/articles/2011/03/28/indian_navy_grows_stronger_12335.html

 

[lambu]

India to get Nerpa Akula-II N-submarine this year: Official

India would receive its first new generation Nerpa Akula-II class nuclear attack submarine, which is undergoing sea trials in Russia, by the end of this year, a top Russian official has said. "The Nerpa will be handed over to the Indian Navy on lease by the end of this year," Director of Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation (FSVTS) Mikhail Dmitriyev was quoted as saying by Interfax news agency.

"Currently the submarine is undergoing sea trials, where the Indian crew is checking the functioning of its all systems and mechanism and are honing their skill for operating the vessel," said the official dealing in foreign military cooperation.

related reading follow link........

India to get Nerpa Akula-II N-submarine this year: Official - Hindustan Times

 

[nrj]

Akula's silo hatches opened

 

[Armand2REP]

Akula's silo hatches opened

Wrong Akula... Akula is Russian designate for the NATO Typhoon SSBN. The Akula you are looking for is the NATO designated Akula SSN.

 

[nrj]

Yeah its the other one. One can easily spot the difference looking at the position of missile silos.

 

[A.V.]

Future of the AKULA'S in doubt .

The End of the Sea Giants

29/09/2011
rusnavy.com

Russian defense ministry decided to write off all Project 941 Akula nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarines till 2014, writes Izvestiya referring to a source in defense ministry. The reason for decommission of the world's largest submarines are restrictions imposed on Russia by Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (START-3) and successful trials of new Project 955 Borei submarines. All written-off Akula-class subs will be dismantled.
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The START-3 was signed by Russia and the US in spring 2010. The document limits number of deployed nuclear weapons at the level of 1,550 warheads for each party. Up to 1,100 warheads can be placed on already built Borei-class submarines (SSBN Yury Dolgoruky passes trials, SSBN Alexander Nevsky was launched late in 2010) and Project 667BDRM Delfin submarines. The rest 400 warheads will be at disposal of long-range aviation and Strategic Missile Force.

Another reason for decommission of Akulas is adoption of Borei-class subs coming late in 2011. New submarines need a crew 1.5 times smaller than Project 941 subs do. Besides, maintenance of Boreis is significantly cheaper. Another advantage of Project 955 subs is smaller size which makes their detection harder.

However, written-off submarines could be used for non-strategic needs; for instance, carry cruise missiles or other conventional arms, conduct scientific researches or cargo transportations. Experts of JSCSevmash which built Project 941 Akula say those subs can be refitted into underwater LNG tankers or cargo carriers used in any season. Nonetheless, defense ministry has no plans for Akula conversion saying refitting works would cost tens of billions.

Akula-class submarines were built in the USSR since 1976 till 1989. Each of them is equipped with 20 tubes for R-39 and R-39U ballistic missiles. In total, each submarine may carry up to 200 warheads. Presently, Russian Navy operates three Akula-class submarines – SSBN Dmitry Donskoy used as test platform for new ballistic missile Bulava, SSBN Arkhangelsk, and SSBN Severstal (two latter ones are in reserve).

Earlier on, Rubin design bureau which is Akula developer offered to use Project 941 subs for transportation of commercial cargoes including oil or coal. However, the bureau renounced that idea later having affirmed it was inexpedient. JSC Norilsk Nickel was involved in the under-ice coal transportation project.


The Project 941 or Akula, Russian "Акула" ("Shark") class submarine (NATO reporting name: Typhoon) with a submerged displacement of 48,000 tons and 175m length, the Typhoons are the largest class of submarine ever built, large enough to accommodate decent living facilities for the crew when submerged for months on end.
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[A.V.]

The Defense Ministry denied the complete destruction of the world's largest submarine

September 29, 2011, 20:58

These write-off of strategic nuclear submarines of Project 941 (the code "Shark" by NATO classification - "Typhoon") does not correspond to reality, said Thursday a senior Russian Defense Ministry.

"This decision did not take the Ministry of Defence. Boats are in battle formation ", - said the representative office. He stressed that in any case, nuclear submarine "Dmitry Donskoy" (Project 941U) will remain in battle formation of the Navy has plenty of time as a backup to test the latest ballistic missile "Bulava", reports RIA "Novosti" .

He recalled that it was from the media prior to 2011 were all tested this missile. Starting this year, testing the "Bulava" are conducted with the support staff of these weapons - nuclear submarine "Yuri Dolgoruky" (code "Borey", project 955).
At the same time, the representative of the Russian Defense Ministry said that two other submarines of this project, "Severstal" and "Archangel" - really are now at the pier Sevmash (Severodvinsk), which await their fate. "The problem is that these boats is not armed with missiles of the regular P-39. Their post-1991 does not let Yuzhmash (Ukraine), "- said the source.

As reported Vzglyad, earlier on Thursday, media reported that up to 2014 will be transferred missile strategic submarine cruisers, better known under the name "Typhoon", because of limits on the START Treaty.

The Defense Ministry reportedly stated that the three remaining boats afloat this project: "Dmitry Donskoy", "Archangel" and "Severstal" - will cut the metal.

As reported, the fate of the giant submarines predetermined START-3, signed by the presidents of Russia and the United States in the spring of 2010. He limited the strategic arsenals of each country, a thousand 550 nuclear warheads. In this case only on the new boat project 955 "Borey" and continued in service submarine project 667BDRM "Dolphin" can accommodate more than 1 thousand 100 warheads.


http://translate.google.com/translat...%2F526455.html


The russian ministry has denied it though , still the the future of these beasts looks uncertain.

 

[Armand2REP]

Yeah, lets look at the source. Lenta says dismantle while VZglyad says status quo. Status quo is nothing anyways so what is the difference? Watch them rust?

 

[bengalraider]

Copying from my own post in the P-75 thread

Why Dismantle let's buy a couple of these and refit them to be underwater missile barges carrying upto 300 Brahmos + 300 Nirbhay each then park one somewhere near Mumbai high in the Arabian sea and park the second at Cam Ranh Bay along with a couple of our Kilos, Should give both PLAN and PN admirals sleepless nights!
We could buy them by claiming to be building underwater floating casinos/resorts

Ah that was the best wet dream ever!

 

[pmaitra]

I am all for India going into a shopping spree. Rather than let them tear those beauties apart, why not give them a new home with the Indian Navy?

 

[KS]

IIRC Typhoon != Akula.

Former is a SSBN while the latter is a SSN.

 

[thakur_ritesh]

I am all for India going into a shopping spree. Rather than let them tear those beauties apart, why not give them a new home with the Indian Navy?

not sure if it will happen or not, but i recall reading where this gentleman from russia had pointed out india could be buying "many" akulas, and it was reported on a russian news website first.

cant find that news now.