Infrastructure and Energy Sector

[ezsasa]

With proper population distribution we do not need to construct apartments more than 5 floors.

India should try to avoid megacities and develop each and evey corner of the country individually.

There are 545 districts in India all must have 1 planned city with industrial clusters surrounding it in various blocks.

flip side of the argument wrt high rise apartments is that, cost of living increases due to mid rise buildings, cost of apartment increases and eats up space, leaving less for roads & parks and public utilities. it will become like barcelona, not an ideal scenario.

there is a presentation by bimal patel on Mumbai port trust redevelopment covering positives and negatives of different approaches from his perspective. obviously there will be other ideas as well by other planners in the country which i haven't come across yet.

 

[tribendra bisoi..]

There is a big role of thermal power plant in particulate pollution . Delhi has 13 thermal power plants with a capacity of over 11,000 MW within a 300-km radius . But coal cnt be given up in any near future . The indigenously developed 700-megawatt pressurized heavy water reactor can have positive impact in future .

 

[thebakofbakchod]

Dust is inevitable. Not because of thr climate but because india is a developing country and there are construction happening in every corner of the city.

Want less dust?
Wait for city to fully develop.
Implement rain water harvesting.
Grow tress on empty land.
Let no corner be unpaved.
Grass on every open soil.

Thats just a lame excuse. Most of India's dust comes from pajeet tier construction and planning and not because of being a developing country. Here is an example from a Cambodian city Sihanoukville, where Chini drug lords and gangs are building casinos and gambling dens on every inch. A few years back it looked like a typical indian city, roads with no lane markings, non existent pedestrian paths and dust everywhere (1 min 20s mark onwards)


That same stretch of road looks like this


Building a proper road with proper markings and pavements would improve the look of cities multiple times, and also improve the quality of life, but i guess such basic concepts is too much for the 82 iq pajeet IAS in charge of all the municipal corporations and other government orgs in charge of cities

 

[Suryavanshi]

I envision a district like this

A district should be be the absolute unit of all policy making.

One large smart megacity (red) where utmost priority is given to city planning and redevelopment.

30 to 40 % of the population of a district livers here

Rest of the blue ones are small towns that act as a hub for semi skilled workforce. 20 to 30 % of the population will liver here.

The yellow are roads in grid pattern.

 

[Suryavanshi]

Adani Ports to expand cargo ops, eyes 500 million tonne throughput by 2025

Adani Ports to expand cargo ops, eyes 500 million tonne throughput by 2025

Company enjoys a 25% market share of India's exim cargo, wants to ramp it up to 40%

www.google.com

In case of ports.
China total tonnage capacity (River Included): 15 billion tons.
India: 2.5 billion tons

No Matter how much we hustle we can't push it more than 10 billion tons. We simply do not have the space to do that.
8000 km coast line vs 16,000 km coast line.

 

[tribendra bisoi..]

Besides TATA there is Ashok Leyland which has recently lunched E bus .


Then there is EKA E9 bus

First made in India electric bus showcased to Nitin Gadkari: Details explained - Times of India

News News: The EKA E9 is claimed to be the country's first completely ‘Made-In-India’ 9- metre pure electric, zero-emission bus.

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

There is also a chinese company Foton which manufacture in india . UP had ordered them ( verify , not sure )
There might b more

I dint mention Olectra Greentech, India’s largest manufacturer of electric buses . They were going to to set up India’s biggest electric bus factory with 10000 units capacity in Hyderabad . Last year news .

Olectra Greentech to set up India’s biggest electric bus factory with 10000 units capacity

To be set up with an investment of more than Rs 600 crore, the new facility is spread over 150 acres. Apart from buses, Olectra Greentech will also produce electric three-wheelers and trucks — the new segments the company is diversifying into, said a top executive. The company will be eligible...

economictimes.indiatimes.com

 

[FalconSlayers]

 

[Physx32]

Ghar pe pani nahi aata 24/7 par road saaf krna chaiye pani se

Please supply water to homes
Road ganda bhi chalega

Yes! Gorment should also stop every industry, construction activities that consume water as there's water shortage in our homes. Only after all 140 crore citizens have access to pure water should gorment allow non essential sectors to consume water.

Unfeasible and unrealistic job. You just cant do this everyday.

If the roads are already clean, don't need to do it everyday. Maybe weekly cleaning will suffice. Regarding feasibility, it's done in most civilised countries but of course it's impossible in India.

You should look up videos about this on youtube, these machines use atomized water to settle the dust and then a sweeper with vacuum cleaner to suck everything. Heavy pressure washing won't be needed everyday.

 

[Physx32]

Want less dust?
Wait for city to fully develop.
Implement rain water harvesting.
Grow tress on empty land.
Let no corner be unpaved.
Grass on every open soil.

Agree with all the points except the first one.

What do you even mean by cities to "fully develop"? Is NYC fully developed? Or is it Tokyo or Singapore which are 100x cleaner than NYC? What about Chinese cities which are still developing but still clean?

Rather replace the first point with efficient cleaning and maintenance and cities will look good.

 

[ezsasa]

Yes! Gorment should also stop every industry, construction activities that consume water as there's water shortage in our homes. Only after all 140 crore citizens have access to pure water should gorment allow non essential sectors to consume water.

If the roads are already clean, don't need to do it everyday. Maybe weekly cleaning will suffice. Regarding feasibility, it's done in most civilised countries but of course it's impossible in India.

You should look up videos about this on youtube, these machines use atomized water to settle the dust and then a sweeper with vacuum cleaner to suck everything. Heavy pressure washing won't be needed everyday.

let's have a look at some of these cities (not countries) where this road cleaning is happening, in terms of time table, local government budget, number of KM of road they clean etc.

 

[ezsasa]

let's have a look at some of these cities (not countries) where this road cleaning is happening, in terms of time table, local government budget, number of KM of road they clean etc.

found a study released in 2016.
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Review of the impact of street cleaning on PM10 and PM2.5 concentrations in Central & Northern Europe

http://airuse.eu/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/2016_AIRUSE-B8_02-Street-cleaning-CNE.pdf

 

[Akula]

I think it's the dirt, dust and grime that makes everything in India look unappealing and "old", not the slums only. Even new pieces of infrastructure or posh areas look shitty because of dust and mud.

Our cities will look 10x better if municipal corps start cleaning the roads everyday with water. They should use trucks equipped with pressure washers that waste minimal amount of water. European roads become extremely muddy after the snow melts, but they clean with water to remove mud.

There are two solutions in my opinion to tackle dust problem. Either plant grass and plants or cover the areas.

 

[Suryavanshi]

Few years ago any person could get governments tender for civil work without a degree, but rules have changed now you have to have a proper civil enginner under you to avail gov tenders.
Gov thought this would cull the problem of inefficient civil thekedars but they did not consider the fact that the state of Indian civil engineers was also lackluster.
You see Footpath making in itself is a art and most engineers in India do not know how to go on about doing it.

 

[Suryavanshi]

https://www.itdp.in/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/05.-Footpath-Design_Handout.pdf

@Physx32 @tribendra bisoi.

 

[Butter Chicken]

Watch fresh slums in Delhi(Kalindi Kunj). There's even a "Shahi Jama Masjid"!

2006

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[FalconSlayers]

Watch fresh slums in Delhi(Kalindi Kunj). There's even a "Shahi Jama Masjid"!

2006

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Can you please post screenshots of East Delhi Hub from Maxar?
28°38'56.25"N 77°18'30.51"E

 

[OFBkaRakhwala]

Yes! Gorment should also stop every industry, construction activities that consume water as there's water shortage in our homes. Only after all 140 crore citizens have access to pure water should gorment allow non essential sectors to consume water.

If the roads are already clean, don't need to do it everyday. Maybe weekly cleaning will suffice. Regarding feasibility, it's done in most civilised countries but of course it's impossible in India.

You should look up videos about this on youtube, these machines use atomized water to settle the dust and then a sweeper with vacuum cleaner to suck everything. Heavy pressure washing won't be needed everyday.

"Aesthetic" is not as important as industries, you chose a great analogy there. Most major cities in India are suffering with lack of water and you want to use the water in cleaning the roads. Maybe try paving the nearby areas.

 

[Butter Chicken]

Can you please post screenshots of East Delhi Hub from Maxar?
28°38'56.25"N 77°18'30.51"E

Have heard of this Karkardooma project since 10+ years, finally something happening

 

[Blademaster]

flip side of the argument wrt high rise apartments is that, cost of living increases due to mid rise buildings, cost of apartment increases and eats up space, leaving less for roads & parks and public utilities. it will become like barcelona, not an ideal scenario.

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there is a presentation by bimal patel on Mumbai port trust redevelopment covering positives and negatives of different approaches from his perspective. obviously there will be other ideas as well by other planners in the country which i haven't come across yet.

What is wrong with Barcelona? I have been there several times and it is a beautiful city. Clean and orderly.

 

[Blademaster]

I envision a district like this

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A district should be be the absolute unit of all policy making.

One large smart megacity (red) where utmost priority is given to city planning and redevelopment.

30 to 40 % of the population of a district livers here

Rest of the blue ones are small towns that act as a hub for semi skilled workforce. 20 to 30 % of the population will liver here.

The yellow are roads in grid pattern.

What about national parks, nature preserves, forests? you want continuity of forests and preserves, not all chopped up and isolated from the rest.