India's Moon Exploration Program

[SKC]

Honestly wasn't even bothered about the Russian Mission. Felt like a coincidence.

But then read the interview of the Roscosmos Chief. And seems like they were deliberately trying to land Luna-25 before Chandrayaan-3 just to snatch a stupid title.

Thats a fuckin cheap stunt. It wouldn't even serve any purpose other than quench their ego.

Ignore!

Can we do anything about it? No

They have technical capability to send such mission whenever they want. They are launching directly into Lunar orbits!

Nothing we can do about it.

 

[SKC]

It's fine. USSR might have done it before but if they are looking to beat India, it must involve rejig of schedules at last minute. It might not be as successful if they're pressed for time.

The joint Russian-EU Mars lander mission failed in last decade despite technical prowess of both!

So, anything still can happen here.

 

[Vamsi]

The only thing that's concerning about Luna-25 is it's effect on our landing...their landing sites are too close,just 120 km away from each other...

 

[TopWatcher]

Ignore!

Can we do anything about it? No

They have technical capability to send such mission whenever they want. They are launching directly into Lunar orbits!

Nothing we can do about it.

It shows they have infrty complex . They lacking in technology , they hv technology but technology need to grrom time to time.

We cant do anything. Its them what they think

 

[astransastra]

Ignore!

Can we do anything about it? No

They have technical capability to send such mission whenever they want. They are launching directly into Lunar orbits!

Nothing we can do about it.

Not that US or USSR had space abilities from time immemorial. Actually Germans were the 1st to launch rockets to space (V-2 rocket) but only at the fag end of WW2 in 1944 by when they were already losing the war. V2 rockets did enough damage to London claiming thousands of lives(being used as ballistic missiles). If the program matured earlier, Nazis would have won the war. Anyway, Allies could survive the late sparks by V-2 and the 1st thing they did after stepping in Berlin was airlift all German space scientists to their respective nations in secret operations. US operation was codenamed "Paper Clip" and Russia had some weird name but did similar job. So both US and USSR space programs started off from where Germans left.

India definitely doesn't see C-3 as a race for something, so it's a pity if Russia is seeing it that way. Doesn't befit the erstwhile super power!

 

[SKC]

Not that US or USSR had space abilities from time immemorial. Actually Germans were the 1st to launch rockets to space (V-2 rocket) but only at the fag end of WW2 in 1944 by when they were already losing the war. V2 rockets did enough damage to London claiming thousands of lives(being used as ballistic missiles). If the program matured earlier, Nazis would have won the war. Anyway, Allies could survive the late sparks by V-2 and the 1st thing they did after stepping in Berlin was airlift all German space scientists to their respective nations in secret operations. US operation was codenamed "Paper Clip" and Russia had some weird name but did similar job. So both US and USSR space programs started off from where Germans left.

India definitely doesn't see C-3 as a race for something, so it's a pity if Russia is seeing it that way. Doesn't befit the erstwhile super power!

Giving too much credit to one thing!

Germans were not the only one working on the Rockets. Infact, there was a famous American (not able to recall the name) who was working on similar technology concurrently.

WWII was much more than V-2 rockets. By end of 1943 it was pretty much clear, Germans are going to lose.

Also, even after getting the Von Braun as their space program leader, NASA did not select the proposal sent by Von Braun but selected their own Indigenous solution for Moon Landing program.

 

[Kcirtap]

there was a famous American

Goddard?

 

[Varoon2]

^^^
Right on. And India doesn't indulge in games of crass one upmanship, the way China, Russia and the US do. I don't believe there is a single instance where another country announced a specific space project, whereupon India raced them to achieve it first.

 

[astransastra]

Giving too much credit to one thing!

Germans were not the only one working on the Rockets. Infact, there was a famous American (not able to recall the name) who was working on similar technology concurrently.

WWII was much more than V-2 rockets. By end of 1943 it was pretty much clear, Germans are going to lose.

Also, even after getting the Von Braun as their space program leader, NASA did not select the proposal sent by Von Braun but selected their own Indigenous solution for Moon Landing program.

May be, but from the limited info i read in a news article, it seemed to project Von Braun as the one who architected the Apollo spacecraft which was used for Moon.

 

[SKC]

Goddard?

Yes,
Robert Hutchings Goddard was an American engineer, professor, physicist, and inventor who is credited with creating and building the world's first liquid-fueled rocket. Goddard successfully launched his rocket on March 16, 1926, which ushered in an era of space flight and innovation.

 

[angryIndian]

Honestly wasn't even bothered about the Russian Mission. Felt like a coincidence.

But then read the interview of the Roscosmos Chief. And seems like they were deliberately trying to land Luna-25 before Chandrayaan-3 just to snatch a stupid title.

Thats a fuckin cheap stunt. It wouldn't even serve any purpose other than quench their ego.

There is no point in chasing this meaningless goal of being the 3rd or 4th to land on the moon.Nobody will ever remember that.

What matters is building up the technical capabilities.The US has a nuclear powered mini bus size rover and a helicopter flying over mars.They have sent satellites not just to other planets but outside this solar system too.

The Europeans have sent lander missions to Saturn's moon Titan.The soviets have sent a landing missions to Venus. The Japanese have sent sample return missions to asteroids.

And we are nowhere near this level of sophistication.Building up the technology should be our priority and not this "1st country to do this in it's first attempt".

 

[RedHood108]

There is no point in chasing this meaningless goal of being the 3rd or 4th to land on the moon.Nobody will ever remember that.

What matters is building up the technical capabilities.The US has a nuclear powered mini bus size rover and a helicopter flying over mars.They have sent satellites not just to other planets but outside this solar system too.

The Europeans have sent lander missions to Saturn's moon Titan.The soviets have sent a landing missions to Venus. The Japanese have sent sample return missions to asteroids.

And we are nowhere near this level of sophistication.Building up the technology should be our priority and not this "1st country to do this in it's first attempt".

Obviously it doesn't matter if we are the nth nation to accomplish a certain goal. That's not even my point.

But the cheap mentality of the Russians to lauch their Rocket in the last moment with the sole purpose of beating India at a race we didn't even consciously participate is the issue.

The level of sophistication is not even in question. India will invest in sectors that prioritise our national interest.

It's better to have a fully operational GPS alternative or series of EOS along Geosynchronous Orbit before launching missions to some other planets just to prove our technological prowess.

But to see a Nation going out of its way to actually beat India just for a stupid title is outrageous.

 

[Master Chief]

Chandrayaan 2 orbiter is still functioning and would be used by CH3 Lander..
LUNA 25 will directly beam and receive signals from earth..? Looks like there is no orbiter for Luna 25..

 

[Master Chief]

^^^
Right on. And India doesn't indulge in games of crass one upmanship, the way China, Russia and the US do. I don't believe there is a single instance where another country announced a specific space project, whereupon India raced them to achieve it first.

Looks like Russia badly wants to be the first country to land near the south pole..
One wonders whether the science instruments are properly tested and caliberated..

 

[Master Chief]

The only thing that's concerning about Luna-25 is it's effect on our landing...their landing sites are too close,just 120 km away from each other...

Better not lower the apolune, of Chandrayaan 3.. until the Russians are done with their LUNA-CY landings..
Wouldn't put it beyond Russia to crash into Chandrayaan in orbit, if they conclude their landing will fail..

 

[Tactical Doge]

Better not lower the apolune, of Chandrayaan 3.. until the Russians are done with their LUNA-CY landings..
Wouldn't put it beyond Russia to crash into Chandrayaan in orbit, if they conclude their landing will fail..

Space is a big place man

 

[Vamsi]

Space is a big place man

In space 120km means very less distance....we have to very careful, small mistake both of them will collide

 

[Cheran]

Better not lower the apolune, of Chandrayaan 3.. until the Russians are done with their LUNA-CY landings..
Wouldn't put it beyond Russia to crash into Chandrayaan in orbit, if they conclude their landing will fail..

I wouldn't put it beyond USA to sabotage India's mission as well, after all they are getting upset at other countries getting/developing technologies to access space without being their vassals. Besides if they (US) sabotages CY3 they get to blame Russia (and hence cause rift between Ind_Rus) just like everything else - invasions, recessions, bad ratings for woke films, hacking/stealing elections, under water oil pipe line explosions, grain silo explosions, their wife's pregnancies etc..

 

[Indx TechStyle]

There have been so many failed rocket tests in Japan recently,



These are not very advanced rockets


This is reinventing the wheel

You actually agree with me



Other countries are inventing the wheel on their own

Since there are no new scientific discoveries involved and principle of physics are same, you are logically incorrect to call it "reinvention of the wheel".

These are engineering endeavours based on same scientific principle and any country will have to revamp have its technological ideas and industrial capabilities. So, even if US gives a blueprint to world, there will be no effect on scientific knowledge and engineering capabilities since knowledge is already open for world and industrial capability is not. Only major space powers will remain space powers even if US punishes tech blueprints on weekly journals since everybody won't have funds, giant precision machines, networks and trained minds.

I hope that's an appropriate answer to make you understand and not post that YouTube comment section level reinvention rant again.

 

[astransastra]

You actually agree with me



Other countries are inventing the wheel on their own

If the goal is just to send rockets to space or land on planets and other space objects then every one is re-inventing the wheel. But i guess the goal is to build safe, re-usable and cost efficient rockets. And that is not possible with the 50s and 60s technologies. Very little has changed until early 2000s but Columbia disaster reminded everyone that the above goals are far from met. Unfortunately to incorporate the newer advances made in Science and Technology, it requires re-testing, re-launching and in the process some rocket failures. So though NASA provided lot of blueprint to SpaceX, it still went through the painful cycle (of what you are calling re-invention of wheel and almost went bankrupt at one point). But some objectives like re-usability are achieved, but not to the extent even SpaceX can stop the R&D on this continuous cycle. So suffice to say there is lot of space for all new players including the private entities to come up with better designs...and that's what some private players in US, Japan ,Chinese and Indian private entities have exploring from a few years.