India's Future Main Battle Tank, NGMBT

[gogbot]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

It is all highly suspect.

For one i am going to say , i will believe it when i see .

For now i think it is all BS

 

[nitesh]

here the real doc is:

http://mod.nic.in/dpm/TPCR-2010.doc

check from page 20 title: "Armour"

20. Armour has been constantly finding ways to increase mobility, protection and fire power to enhance survivability. The proliferation of number of hand held weapons, top attack munitions, land mines, Improvised Explosive Devices (IEDs) as well as involvement of armour in urban and 4th Generation Warfare has necessitated a new look at these issues and enhance the vital ingredients of survivability of tanks.

Mobility

21. Automotive System : Diesels and Turbines. Developers of Armed Fighting Vehicles (AFV) are expected to continue to desire more power, light weight, a smaller package, and reasonably long life of propulsion system. In order to achieve 'extraordinary' acceleration, it is necessary to couple conventional diesel engine to a turbine. The 'Hyberbar' engine will be able to accelerate from zero to full power at 1,500 hp in 2.8 seconds, while conventional diesel engine requires 8-12 seconds. The quest for more compact power pack has led to renewed interest in gas turbines, which needs to be explored.

22. All Electric Armoured Fighting Vehicles (AFVs). A fundamental step in designing a diesel-electric drive involves coupling a high-power-density motor with a magneto-electro dynamic generation and replacing the variable mechanised transmission with a similar electromechanical model.

23. Tracks and Suspension. Continuous-band tracks are a design alternate that reduces track weight, maintenance, and acoustic signal of light AFVs. Active suspension system with sensors, control units, and a hydraulic power source in combination, is needed to automatically alter the suspension characteristics to more closely match the speed of the vehicle and the terrain profile, especially in Indian terrain conditions.

Protection

24. Survivability. The survivability of armoured vehicles on the battlefield involves basic principles of remaining undetected; if detected, avoid being hit; if hit, stop the penetration; and if penetrated, survive. The most obvious way to prevent being hit is to minimise the possibility of detection by making the armoured vehicle small and compact and as difficult to detect by a variety of battlefield sensors including radar, acoustic and electro-optical system, as possible.

25. Signature Management. Current and expected future threat scenarios require signature management measures of a multi spectral type, and they require an extremely short reaction time. Indian Army (IA) requires signature management in design measures, basic camouflage, additional camouflage and temporary camouflage.

26. Armour Protection. The main battlefield threats against tanks are Anti Tank Guided Missile (ATGMs), unguided anti tank rockets and grenades; shaped charge High Explosive Anti Tank (HEAT) gun rounds; Kinetic Energy (KE) gun rounds; and top-attack weapons like intelligent sub-munitions, terminally guided artillery rounds, etc. There is a need for developing Explosive Reactive Armour (ERA). Given optimised designs, integrated ERA offers tanks highly effective protection against both the penetrators of Armoured Piercing Fin Stabilised Discarding Sabot (APFSDS) projectiles and the jets of shaped charge weapons, including those with tandem warheads.

27. Material. Increasing the level of protection of a vehicle involves considerations of cost and weight. We require high-performance armour system with advance materials including:-
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(a) Reduced penetration by most lethal weapons.
(b) Elimination of parasitic mass leading to a weight reduction.
(c) Excellent corrosion resistance.
(d) Inherent thermal and acoustic insulation properties.

28. Soft Kill Sensors. Our tanks need Infra Red (IR) detectors, target identification systems, laser warning systems, radar warning receivers and devices to coordinate their signal and instantaneously control a countermeasures suite. These countermeasures fall into two categories: soft-kill system and hard-kill system. The soft kill sensors must discriminate true and false targets and they must discriminate between missiles or other rounds that threaten the vehicle being protected and those that will miss or are aimed at other targets.

29. Hard-Kill System. We need Automatic Protection Systems (APS) for tanks. The radar should determine threat levels adequately, and the self-defence rockets should not cause high levels of collateral damage, particularly to accompanying dismounted infantry.

Firepower

30. Electronic Weapons. Conventional tube weapons are the product of a mature technology, and have now reached a high level of performance. However, on account of the gas-dynamic processes of thermally transformed powder, the muzzle velocity of projectiles is theoretically limited to approximately 2,300 m/s. Contemporary tank guns still offer a considerable growth potential, and electronic guns will be able to exceed this and become an attractive proposition.

31. Tank-fired Missiles. Such missiles, which carry shaped-charge warheads, were susceptible to various countermeasures, especially reactive armour. Now, it seems reasonable to expect development of high velocity KE missiles with heavy-metal, long-rod penetrators to defeat current and future tanks both within and beyond line of sight. Such extended-range missiles would enable armoured vehicles to engage targets beyond the direct fire zone.

32. Fire Control System (FCS). Ground sensors, non-line-of-sight launch system and the network capability will enhance soldiers' understanding of their situation in dynamic battlefield conditions by promoting a common perspective of enemy and friendly locations on digital maps and provide timely actionable intelligence.

33. Simulators for Training. Need to manufacture modern simulators using lasers, micro-processors and magnetic tapes, thereby creating near actual combat conditions during training.

34. Future Main Battle Tank (FMBT). A futuristic design for an MBT to meet our long term requirements should be pursued. Futuristic tanks could incorporate the following technology:-

(a) Develop an Identification Friend or Foe (IFF) system for our tanks, to obviate chances of own tanks firing at each other in battle.

(b) Reliable and secure mobile communication system capable of data transmission, audio and video conference.

(c) Stealth technology including paints/materials to provide limited invisibility in IR/visible spectrum and for scrambling and avoidance of detection.

(d) Development of driving, gunnery and tactical simulators.

(e) The high/medium-energy level (100 kJ) vehicle-mounted laser is expected to be a lethality option against rockets, air vehicles, light ground vehicles, antennas of armoured vehicles and electro-optical sensors.

(f) Protection in the form of soft-kill system requires IR detectors, laser warning, radar warning and devices to instantaneously integrate these signals and control a countermeasure suite. Such systems are threat specific so all would have to be carried on a vehicle to gain protection against more than one part of the EM threat spectrum.

(g) Hard-kill system to provide full-spectrum defence against top attack weapons, ATGMs, guided missiles and gun-launched KE and HEAT rounds.

(h) Hybrid electric vehicle technology.

(j) Digital vehicle electronics (vetronics) will provide intra-vehicle and inter-vehicle communication capability that will greatly improve sit awareness and enhance operational effectiveness.

 

[sayareakd]

it is highly unlikely

it was DGMF who give the lollipop of FMBT.......... he wanted to look 20 years ahead, after the cancellation of Russian T 95 his FMBT is dead and buried. I am sure he is the intelligent one to come up with Laser gun for the FMBT (Arjun) tank.

 

[p2prada]

France is building the world's most powerful laser 2012.

Yeah the Laser Megajoule. There is one in Britain too. Orion. The US has many like Siva laser, HiPER etc.

How will you mount a 50kw laser on a tank? Can't be done in this generation.

I have no idea. Let's hope they figure it out. If DRDO is able to mount an anti mine laser on a BMP-2 then the Arjun is a small feat. I am sure they will have to use some new powerpacks powered by a more powerful engine. Maybe Fuel cells.

It is a bit too unrealistic thinking about what exists today.

 

[Patriot]

http://idrw.org/?p=1786

Army for laser-based weapons on its futuristic tanks
BY: PTI

Looking to strengthen its armoured capabilities, the Indian Army wants its futuristic Main Battle Tank to be equipped with high-powered lasers for taking on enemy rockets, aircraft and electro-optical sensors.

"High/medium-energy level laser is expected to be a lethality option against rockets, air vehicles, light ground vehicles, antennas of armoured vehicles and electro-optical sensors," the Army stated in its long-term technology plans submitted to the Defence Ministry.

Officials said concerned DRDO labs are already working in this direction and developing the capability.

They added that these capabilities might be deployed on the Arjun Mk-II project, which was recently cleared by the Defence Ministry after the Army decided to place orders for another 124 Arjun MBTs with the DRDO.

 

[pavanvenkatesh]

the Indian Army wants its futuristic Main Battle Tank to be equipped with high-powered lasers for taking on enemy rockets, aircraft and electro-optical sensors.

Gr8 the next thing they probably want is to have the tank fire the PRITVI Missle and Akash SAM missle system and not to mention it should be nuclear powered

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Lets see what happens!

 

[san]

Gr8 the next thing they probably want is to have the tank fire the PRITVI Missle and Akash SAM missle system and not to mention it should be nuclear powered

DRDO shall starat work on a robot like machine shown in Hollywood movie "TRANSFORMER". It will fill IA futuristic tank concept quiet well. It can also be used for aviation corp as it will be able to fly. Also able to convert to a sport vehicle and give some joy ride to DGMF's family.

 

[AJSINGH]

it was DGMF who give the lollipop of FMBT.......... he wanted to look 20 years ahead, after the cancellation of Russian T 95 his FMBT is dead and buried. I am sure he is the intelligent one to come up with Laser gun for the FMBT (Arjun) tank.

true , still laser weapons for tank , hard to digest (because LCA is not even finished after 20 years of development )

 

[san]

true , still laser weapons for tank , hard to digest (because LCA is not even finished after 20 years of development )

Also an army that is two generation behind NATO and with 80% imported weapons wants something that is even NATO forces will take 1 decades to induct. Rather than running the cart infront of the bullock, army should know where they stand vs other major powers. My word may be harsh but realistic is always good.

 

[Yatharth Singh]

if you dont believe then its your problem but Indias futuristic MBT will be Arjun MK2 cause as army has stated its requirment for a future MBT ,Arjun mk2 fulfills all that features as claimed by its manufacturers.

 

[AJSINGH]

can anyone tell the specs of the Arjun MkII ?

 

[Armand2REP]

can anyone tell the specs of the Arjun MkII ?

It has a megajoule laser that can shoot down incoming ICBMs, a plasma cloaking device and autonomous AI for independent operations. Also includes x ray vision command scopes, warp drive, and a toilette. Lets also not forget the nifty cup holders.

 

[AJSINGH]

It has a megajoule laser that can shoot down incoming ICBMs, a plasma cloaking device and autonomous AI for independent operations. Also includes x ray vision command scopes, warp drive, and a toilette. Lets also not forget the nifty cup holders.

good humour indeed , now seriously what are the specs

 

[pavanvenkatesh]

It has a megajoule laser that can shoot down incoming ICBMs, a plasma cloaking device and autonomous AI for independent operations. Also includes x ray vision command scopes, warp drive, and a toilette. Lets also not forget the nifty cup holders.

You forgot the SAM launchers and anti gravity propulsion =xD

 

[EagleOne]

It has a megajoule laser that can shoot down incoming ICBMs, a plasma cloaking device and autonomous AI for independent operations. Also includes x ray vision command scopes, warp drive, and a toilette. Lets also not forget the nifty cup holders.

will welcome this type of development in mk2 and we will export a downgraded version

 

[Daredevil]

IA has never specified what it wants in its FMBT - be it T-95 or Arjun MKII. It all depends on GSQR by DGMF of what they need in their FMBT so that Arjun can be modified and upgraded to meet the GSQR requirements. Until then, whatever is coming in media and discussed here is pure speculation with no basis.

 

[ppgj]

IA has never specified what it wants in its FMBT - be it T-95 or Arjun MKII. It all depends on GSQR by DGMF of what they need in their FMBT so that Arjun can be modified and upgraded to meet the GSQR requirements. Until then, whatever is coming in media and discussed here is pure speculation with no basis.

here is an account of an army officer speaking, on this - as revealed by shiv aroor -

"The Army should share the blame also for not expediting its requirements for a future main battle tank (FMBT). There have been internal studies for years, but to this day, there is no definite picture of what our FMBT should have, look like or be capable of. So when the people at DRDO blame us for indecision and mid-stream QR changes, they do seem to have a case. As they did with Arjun."

http://livefist.blogspot.com/2010/03/arjun-in-present-form-can-never-be-our.html

 

[AkhandBharat]

The only way forward should be a design document that should be sent to the MoD after its signed and ratified by DRDO and Army officials. Once the requirements are set in stone, each modification/additional requirement should be carefully scrutinized and conveyed to the MoD to ensure that the Armed forces top brass doesn't sabotage the project.

 

[Yatharth Singh]

IA has never specified what it wants in its FMBT - be it T-95 or Arjun MKII. It all depends on GSQR by DGMF of what they need in their FMBT so that Arjun can be modified and upgraded to meet the GSQR requirements. Until then, whatever is coming in media and discussed here is pure speculation with no basis.

this is the answer for your words.


Indian Army wants its Futuristic Main Battle Tank with Laser-based Weapons

Looking to strengthen its armoured capabilities, the Indian Army wants its futuristic Main Battle Tank to be equipped with high-powered lasers for taking on enemy rockets, aircraft and electro-optical sensors. "High/medium-energy level laser is expected to be a lethality option against rockets, air vehicles, light ground vehicles, antennas of armoured vehicles and electro-optical sensors," the Army stated in its long-term technology plans submitted to the Defence Ministry.

Officials said concerned DRDO labs are already working in this direction and developing the capability. They added that these capabilities might be deployed on the Arjun Mk-II project, which was recently cleared by the Defence Ministry after the Army decided to place orders for another 124 Arjun MBTs with the DRDO.

http://theasiandefence.blogspot.com/2010/05/indian-army-wants-its-futuristic-main.html