Indian Special Forces

[JConline]

Kinda underwhelming.
That transition took ages.
They had to take their eyes off the target to switch to their secondary.
And the gear is still as semi-standard as it always was.
Any idea what helmet they are wearing.

 

[vidhwanshak]

Are you sure that they are para sf?
Not clear, whether that gun is Tavor or not.

 

[Inderjeet Singh]

Btw just to add

1. All of them move their primary weapon to the same side as their secondary weapon. In a running gunfight that primary is gonna be swinging back into the firing arm/elbow and they will take longer again to transition back to the primary.

2. None of them know where their secondary weapon is on their body. Shows they don't spend much time on the range ?

3. All of them had to sight their secondary before firing, non of it was Instinctual - again deficiency in amount of rounds they fire ?

The slow speed is due to the above

I know tavor is bad for transition but what Para Sf learn during joint exercise

 

[rkhanna]

I know tavor is bad for transition but what Para Sf learn during joint exercise

Imo nothing to do with the tavor.

 

[Fire and groove]

Btw just to add

1. All of them move their primary weapon to the same side as their secondary weapon. In a running gunfight that primary is gonna be swinging back into the firing arm/elbow and they will take longer again to transition back to the primary.

2. None of them know where their secondary weapon is on their body. Shows they don't spend much time on the range ?

3. All of them had to sight their secondary before firing, non of it was Instinctual - again deficiency in amount of rounds they fire ?

The slow speed is due to the above

I didn't see the point in swinging the rifle anywhere, just let it go and start transitioning to the pistol. I'm also not surprised about them taking their eyes off the target. A shitty holster combined with it being a thigh variant means not only does it's position change all the time, but it's a pain in the ass to get it out anyway.

 

[rohit b3]

Cant believe that this is the unit that -
1. Holds the world record for the largest ever rescue operation on foreign soil (Op Khukri, Sierra Leone)
2. Single handedly saved Maldives and their Govt. from a coup.
3. Struck inside Pakistan, God knows how many times, and even inside Myanmar.
4. God knows took out how many terrorists in Kashmir and North East.
5. Carried famed raids in the deserts behind enemy lines during the 1971 war.

Only explanation is, these are absolutely fresh out of probation and will take atleast 1 year of basic training before actually they can be called an "Operative".

 

[Anirbann Datta]

Just a a question from an absolute nolevel --- has Avinash Sir been non active in here now a days?
Haven't seen him post for a long time gap.

 

[SUPERPOWER]

Is this video uploaded in slowmotion..!!!!

 

[Aspirant847]

Btw just to add

1. All of them move their primary weapon to the same side as their secondary weapon. In a running gunfight that primary is gonna be swinging back into the firing arm/elbow and they will take longer again to transition back to the primary.

2. None of them know where their secondary weapon is on their body. Shows they don't spend much time on the range ?

3. All of them had to sight their secondary before firing, non of it was Instinctual - again deficiency in amount of rounds they fire ?

The slow speed is due to the above

Maybe they're new and it's their first day or something?

 

[abingdonboy]

Can’t judge if this was just a low speed drill to get their muscle memory working or a new group of trainees but their transitions from primary going down to shooting their secondaries are painfully slow and there seemed to be a lot of fumbling and hesitation going on also a couple made the cardinal sin of looking away from their targets to locate their secondary

Yeah yeah armchair warrior

well this is how the pros do it (these aren’t even SOFs just well trained infantry);

(Watch from 0:20)

USMC went from primary going empty/stoppage to shooting back with their secondary within 3 seconds, PARA SF took 7+ seconds by comparison which is quite shocking, these are the basics and SOFs are meant to be masters of the basics. Points to a lack of training

 

[abingdonboy]

Btw just to add

1. All of them move their primary weapon to the same side as their secondary weapon. In a running gunfight that primary is gonna be swinging back into the firing arm/elbow and they will take longer again to transition back to the primary.

2. None of them know where their secondary weapon is on their body. Shows they don't spend much time on the range ?

3. All of them had to sight their secondary before firing, non of it was Instinctual - again deficiency in amount of rounds they fire ?

The slow speed is due to the above

Yeah the first point really stuck out to me as well, why would you swing your rifle to the side where your secondary is? That’s just asking for this kind of fumbling, watch any other high speed unit or even just well trained civilians and their default is to throw their primary to their non-shooting side

Like you said, all of this points to a serious lack of drilling and time spent at the range, I remember this point had been contentious for a while amongst the chalta hai guys. A few times it’s been brought up by army guys that make it to NSG that they fired more in a few months there than their entire army careers, even PARA SF guys have said this over the years

Too tier Western units fire 10,000s of rounds each each year, I get the feeling that this would be too costly for Indian units (both because of the cost of ammo and also the wear on their weapons)

 

[ManhattanProject]

Btw just to add

1. All of them move their primary weapon to the same side as their secondary weapon. In a running gunfight that primary is gonna be swinging back into the firing arm/elbow and they will take longer again to transition back to the primary.

2. None of them know where their secondary weapon is on their body. Shows they don't spend much time on the range ?

3. All of them had to sight their secondary before firing, non of it was Instinctual - again deficiency in amount of rounds they fire ?

The slow speed is due to the above

depression de diya mujhe ye video ne, baccho airforce ya navy join karo agar high speed low drag banna hai!

 

[abingdonboy]

Yeah the first point really stuck out to me as well, why would you swing your rifle to the side where your secondary is? That’s just asking for this kind of fumbling, watch any other high speed unit or even just well trained civilians and their default is to throw their primary to their non-shooting side

Like you said, all of this points to a serious lack of drilling and time spent at the range, I remember this point had been contentious for a while amongst the chalta hai guys. A few times it’s been brought up by army guys that make it to NSG that they fired more in a few months there than their entire army careers, even PARA SF guys have said this over the years

Too tier Western units fire 10,000s of rounds each each year, I get the feeling that this would be too costly for Indian units (both because of the cost of ammo and also the wear on their weapons)

+ I just remembered this scene/image from the now deleted SPG training video, like the pros from other countries do it he gets his weapon well out of the way to the non-shooting side and draws his weapon almost immediately then begins firing as quick as you’ll see from anyone else. (I believe you see similar things from NSG)

it’s no coincidence given that SPG have by far the best tactical training facilities in India and seem to shoot a LOT including plenty of simmunituon. Indian military really needs something like DEVGRU- the reason it’s called DEVGRU (development group aka seal team 6) is to hone tactics, standards and develop equipment for the ‘vanilla’ SOFs (tier 2 units) like ‘white team’ SEALs and Green berets. Special group is not this before anyone says so. The mammoth amount of SOFs that india has- especially on the army side- just dilutes the standards, there’s no one pushing the boundaries and setting capabilities at the top end, it’s a race to mediocrity.

 

[Milenthusiast]

Hi gaizzz

 

[Tactical Doge]

Cant believe that this is the unit that -
1. Holds the world record for the largest ever rescue operation on foreign soil (Op Khukri, Sierra Leone)
2. Single handedly saved Maldives and their Govt. from a coup.
3. Struck inside Pakistan, God knows how many times, and even inside Myanmar.
4. God knows took out how many terrorists in Kashmir and North East.
5. Carried famed raids in the deserts behind enemy lines during the 1971 war.

Only explanation is, these are absolutely fresh out of probation and will take atleast 1 year of basic training before actually they can be called an "Operative".

Still on the fence about that Myanmar one

 

[Waanar]

Can’t judge if this was just a low speed drill to get their muscle memory working or a new group of trainees but their transitions from primary going down to shooting their secondaries are painfully slow and there seemed to be a lot of fumbling and hesitation going on also a couple made the cardinal sin of looking away from their targets to locate their secondary

Yeah yeah armchair warrior

well this is how the pros do it (these aren’t even SOFs just well trained infantry);

(Watch from 0:20)

USMC went from primary going empty/stoppage to shooting back with their secondary within 3 seconds, PARA SF took 7+ seconds by comparison which is quite shocking, these are the basics and SOFs are meant to be masters of the basics. Points to a lack of training

They're far closer to the targets than the Paras. Your point stands but I bet they would take longer than 3 seconds if they were as far.

Still on the fence about that Myanmar one

Don't be. Myanmar was not only a resounding success but there were many other (positive) things that happened there that will come out in the news or a biography in later years which are and will be kept hush hush by GOI as long as they can. Some real James Bund shit.

 

[Milenthusiast]

Hi gaizzz

I am a 17 yr old from WB..just an enthusiast
And I have a pretty noob question which is can a chef or steward in navy volunteer for Marcos ..
Edit : sorry for the noob question

 

[Spadex]

Cant believe that this is the unit that -
1. Holds the world record for the largest ever rescue operation on foreign soil (Op Khukri, Sierra Leone)
2. Single handedly saved Maldives and their Govt. from a coup.
3. Struck inside Pakistan, God knows how many times, and even inside Myanmar.
4. God knows took out how many terrorists in Kashmir and North East.
5. Carried famed raids in the deserts behind enemy lines during the 1971 war.

Only explanation is, these are absolutely fresh out of probation and will take atleast 1 year of basic training before actually they can be called an "Operative".

That doesn't explain the holster from 1980s, those holster are just not made for fast transition.

Training may be a factor here but those equipment saying a different story

 

[Milenthusiast]

I am a 17 yr old from WB..just an enthusiast
And I have a pretty noob question which is can a chef or steward in navy volunteer for Marcos ..
Edit : sorry for the noob question

Can someone answer ?

 

[WARREN SS]

Can’t judge if this was just a low speed drill to get their muscle memory working or a new group of trainees but their transitions from primary going down to shooting their secondaries are painfully slow and there seemed to be a lot of fumbling and hesitation going on also a couple made the cardinal sin of looking away from their targets to locate their secondary

Yeah yeah armchair warrior

well this is how the pros do it (these aren’t even SOFs just well trained infantry);

(Watch from 0:20)

USMC went from primary going empty/stoppage to shooting back with their secondary within 3 seconds, PARA SF took 7+ seconds by comparison which is quite shocking, these are the basics and SOFs are meant to be masters of the basics. Points to a lack of training

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