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AK-203 itself was never anything more than AK-103M.

There are no functional difference between 103, 103M & 203 in terms of action or gas system. And 103M already had all the new 'features' that 203 had - including hinged dust cover with retention lock, fire selector with that little 'ledge', railed handguard, collapsible stock, new muzzle device and everything else.

103M was just renamed to 203 for marketing purposes, nothing else. This is original 103M :



But I get what you mean - the version we're getting is a watered-down variant which removes several of these new features (stock & fire selector replaced with original 103 type, quad-rail handguard replaced with tri-rail one with no 12'o clock rail). But that was done at our own request - more than likely in order to save some cost.

If we made these changes out of choice, there was a reason to get frustrated but if we had to do it because it was deemed we couldn't afford it otherwise, then there's no point in getting frustrated. It just has to be acknowledged that we did not negotiate a very good price is all. Thanks in part to OFB lobby & Russian lobby.

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However, the version of 203 we're getting still retains some of the core improvements made in the design since original AK. Namely:

  • Hinged dust cover with P-rail & retention lock at the rear ensures that any optics mounted on these 203s will be able to retain zero much, much better than any previous AK.
  • Tri-rail handguard still ensures we are able to mount whatever vertical grip we want, as well as flashlight/laser on sides. The only real drawback due to lack of 12'o clock rail on handguard is that we may not be able to mount day-night sight combos with large TI/I2 night vision optics. Due to the rear iron sight, the 203 top rail was never ideal for such mounts anyway. With smaller TI sights (like from Tonbo), we may have enough space on dust cover rail itself.
  • The new muzzle device (an improvement over the muzzle brake on 103) is still there, helping mitigate some of the considerable recoil of 7.62x39.
It's not a perfect deal, sure. But at some point you have to make peace with the fact that you're never likely to get a perfect deal, not with likes of OFB in play. And the shittiest 103M is still an improvement over the INSAS, at least in terms of giving the wielder confidence that his weapon will not fail him at the wrong time. We can at least take solace in that.....provided the deal actually goes through. So far it hasn't.
I might have found the reason we went with the normal fire selector.
The new selector has a spring detent which makes it very hard to go from one mode to another.
please watch from 3:00.
 

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I might have found the reason we went with the normal fire selector.
The new selector has a spring detent which makes it very hard to go from one mode to another.
please watch from 3:00.
The 203 does not have the burst firing mode. That was just a stupid decision. Period.

Plus, the spring isn't there either. It is just a piece of metal attached to the OG AK selector. Even if the spring was there, it wouldn't cause as much of a problem without the 2 round burst..
 

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AK-203 itself was never anything more than AK-103M.

There are no functional difference between 103, 103M & 203 in terms of action or gas system. And 103M already had all the new 'features' that 203 had - including hinged dust cover with retention lock, fire selector with that little 'ledge', railed handguard, collapsible stock, new muzzle device and everything else.

103M was just renamed to 203 for marketing purposes, nothing else. This is original 103M :



But I get what you mean - the version we're getting is a watered-down variant which removes several of these new features (stock & fire selector replaced with original 103 type, quad-rail handguard replaced with tri-rail one with no 12'o clock rail). But that was done at our own request - more than likely in order to save some cost.

If we made these changes out of choice, there was a reason to get frustrated but if we had to do it because it was deemed we couldn't afford it otherwise, then there's no point in getting frustrated. It just has to be acknowledged that we did not negotiate a very good price is all. Thanks in part to OFB lobby & Russian lobby.

++

However, the version of 203 we're getting still retains some of the core improvements made in the design since original AK. Namely:

  • Hinged dust cover with P-rail & retention lock at the rear ensures that any optics mounted on these 203s will be able to retain zero much, much better than any previous AK.
  • Tri-rail handguard still ensures we are able to mount whatever vertical grip we want, as well as flashlight/laser on sides. The only real drawback due to lack of 12'o clock rail on handguard is that we may not be able to mount day-night sight combos with large TI/I2 night vision optics. Due to the rear iron sight, the 203 top rail was never ideal for such mounts anyway. With smaller TI sights (like from Tonbo), we may have enough space on dust cover rail itself.
  • The new muzzle device (an improvement over the muzzle brake on 103) is still there, helping mitigate some of the considerable recoil of 7.62x39.
It's not a perfect deal, sure. But at some point you have to make peace with the fact that you're never likely to get a perfect deal, not with likes of OFB in play. And the shittiest 103M is still an improvement over the INSAS, at least in terms of giving the wielder confidence that his weapon will not fail him at the wrong time. We can at least take solace in that.....provided the deal actually goes through. So far it hasn't.
Any news ? When will it happen?

AK 203 deal IMHO will happen after September 2021 when Putin visits India and has a photo-op with Modi for the ribbon cutting at Amethi OFB.

All aspects of the deal have been resolved in February 2021 itself. The hold up is due to the COVID-19 second wave.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.econ...-gen-mm-naravane/amp_articleshow/80254749.cms

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.or...ak/india-quest-new-assault-rifle-almost-over/
 

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