Indian Special Forces

[NoobWannaLearn]

Providing fancy gear wouldn't change the outcome all of a sudden. We've seen even in photo ops on how regulars and SF use any new gear which is evident no one in their org or training personnel have any idea on how to use them correctly. It takes months, if not years of training to effectively utilize NODs, optics for nightfighting or comtacs to coordinate with TOC or rope in UCAVs/attack helos. Our troops have been so used to fighting in encounters with an ammo truck next to them but will bite the bullet in such circumstances we've been seeing lately

Getting screwed up in ambushes will continue to happen if IA thinks Shifuji and his biwi are the best trainers out there. With the funds available, we can hire ex-SEALs/SAS or the likes similar to what the Chinese are doing since joint exercises can only give a unit limited exposure

There is no difference between how IA conducts combing ops after an ambush in Kashmir vs Greyhound commandos of Telangana state police against Naxals which easily makes them more prone to getting ambushed again

Agreed with all as for your training part I think it's fairly evident that the shifu bullshit dosent work around army anymore as hinted by the recent instructors who are bought in by Paras to train.(I don't remember both of there names rn but both are in insta one is cqb trainer while other one is gun expert I think).

 

[Kumaoni]

@abingdonboy

 

[Kumaoni]

Not sure if Sarp Vinash type would be very fruitful now. Seems like army, CRPF, JKP have a lack of proper ground Intel in the Poonch Rajouri Surankote belt. Without pinpoint Intel, these op can turn out to be a disaster.

Correct

 

[Spadex]

Not sure if Sarp Vinash type would be very fruitful now. Seems like army, CRPF, JKP have a lack of proper ground Intel in the Poonch Rajouri Surankote belt. Without pinpoint Intel, these op can turn out to be a disaster.

The problem is....terrorist are presenting fake inputs by breaking radio silence and showing their presence to lowering
in the security personal for an ambush.



Even In this encounter, army vehicles were en route to fortify ongoing search operations based on specific intelligence inputs but unfortunately got trapped

Not to mention,they are getting to the point info about army movements and no of /type of vehicles involved along with no of soldiers present.

During the latest ambush , terrorists attacked the truck from 3 different directions. The army vehicle were slowed down because of the blind curve ahead. A civil vehicle was also placed on the curve


A perfect vantage point with no cover for army soldiers.


All drivers were killed first followed by armed soldiers


No way to retaliate , also army dont use any heavy weapon for supress fire on their trucks to so that they appear more "human" to population

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

The problem is....terrorist are presenting fake inputs by breaking radio silence and showing their presence to lowering
in the security personal for an ambush.



Even In this encounter, army vehicles were en route to fortify ongoing search operations based on specific intelligence inputs but unfortunately got trapped

Not to mention,they are getting to the point info about army movements and no of /type of vehicles involved along with no of soldiers present.

During the latest ambush , terrorists attacked the truck from 3 different directions. The army vehicle were slowed down because of the blind curve ahead. A civil vehicle was also placed on the curve


A perfect vantage point with no cover for army soldiers.


All drivers were killed first followed by armed soldiers


No way to retaliate , also army dont use any heavy weapon for supress fire on their trucks to so that they appear more "human" to population

Another thing that seems to be is that RR is recieving very general Intel, and not specific as it used to be earlier in this area. So they move in with large force to cordon large areas which may or may not have terrorists. Either their humint is compromised or their humint is being fooled by terrorists or their OGW.

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

 

[Spadex]

The problem is....terrorist are presenting fake inputs by breaking radio silence and showing their presence to lowering
in the security personal for an ambush.



Even In this encounter, army vehicles were en route to fortify ongoing search operations based on specific intelligence inputs but unfortunately got trapped

Not to mention,they are getting to the point info about army movements and no of /type of vehicles involved along with no of soldiers present.

During the latest ambush , terrorists attacked the truck from 3 different directions. The army vehicle were slowed down because of the blind curve ahead. A civil vehicle was also placed on the curve


A perfect vantage point with no cover for army soldiers.


All drivers were killed first followed by armed soldiers


No way to retaliate , also army dont use any heavy weapon for supress fire on their trucks to so that they appear more "human" to population

Just to add some more context

This ambush happed at the stretch between Dera Ki Gali and Bufliaz which leads to then Bhata Dhurian forest, where five soldiers were killed in an ambush earlier this yr


Same group navigating in the same general area

Terrorist had taken positions atop the hill from where they targeted the Army vehicles which had to slow down their speed at the blind curve and bumpy road. The terrorists chose the spot where there were pits and the spot was surrounded by mountains.

Also, there was no civilian population in the area and it would have taken some time for additional help of security forces to reach the site of encounter.

 

[Super Flanker]

An F16 was definetly lost. I am confirming it as well. Tom Cooper has also said so as well. The US Recalled and Awarded a medal to the LIason Officer from their end who was doing the "Audit".

It is very easy to not show wreckage - they have 100% control of their media and SM.

Everytime there is a Mention in the Pak Media or a parade in front of the AF statue honoring the PAF on that day. a Certain 'mess' in India serves beer all around - sort of a drinking game now.


Lastly - just to point to an obvious tilt. The US Govt Last week declassified and acknowledgement that the Turks had shot down a Greek F-16 some 15 years ago which the US govt at that time had said all Greek F-16s are accounted for.

The US doesnt like its equipment coming out bad - above is only one example

Correction: Turkey didn't shoot down any F-16 of Hellenic Airforce. I think you are talking about the 1996 Aegean clash which took place between Turkey and Greece? In that engagement a Greek M2000 used a R.550 Magic II to shoot down the Turkish F-16. Turkey didn't, I repeat they didn't shoot down any Greek F-16, you are confusing between the two.

 

[DumbPilot]

Correction: Turkey didn't shoot down any F-16 of Hellenic Airforce. I think you are talking about the 1996 Aegean clash which took place between Turkey and Greece? In that engagement a Greek M2000 used a R.550 Magic II to shoot down the Turkish F-16. Turkey didn't, I repeat they didn't shoot down any Greek F-16, you are confusing between the two.

for everyone here: That HUD video is representational and is of a more recent conflict. Just two pilots "dicking" around. Both of them have bags on their wings are not pulling more than 5Gs at any given time

 

[ALBY]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C1KhPHLrkk5/?igsh=Ynlobjg2ajBhNDJi
These things are the need of the hour.

 

[khushank]

This ambush was exactly same as the Bhatta Durian iftar truck one! Exactly same!!

Terrorists had chosen a blind curve this time too, so that the vehicle slows down, first fire targeted the drivers!

Once the vehicle stopped!

Indiscriminate and aimless fire towards the soldiers while closing in!

We didn't learnt anything from it! And we payed for it!

 

[khushank]

This ambush was exactly same as the Bhatta Durian iftar truck one! Exactly same!!

Terrorists had chosen a blind curve this time too, so that the vehicle slows down, first fire targeted the drivers!

Once the vehicle stopped!

Indiscriminate and aimless fire towards the soldiers while closing in!

We didn't learnt anything from it! And we payed for it!

Ambushing is pretty easy in that terrain, once you've recced the area and know about the movement!

After that all one has to do is to just open indiscriminate volley of fire and it will cause casualties!

One thing after all these attacks is pretty sure that we have lacked the ground Intel, 20-30 terrorists are present in a particular area since months!!

And we seem clueless!

God knows how many men it will take more for the top brass to wake up!

 

[abingdonboy]

‘Special’

every time you hear Para SF are making progress…

 

[zathura98]

Ambushing is pretty easy in that terrain, once you've recced the area and know about the movement!

After that all one has to do is to just open indiscriminate volley of fire and it will cause casualties!

One thing after all these attacks is pretty sure that we have lacked the ground Intel, 20-30 terrorists are present in a particular area since months!!

And we seem clueless!

God knows how many men it will take more for the top brass to wake up!

last time when col was KIA , they took 4-5 days and ensured roasting of the commander . pretty much you can get the gist.

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

A good one as far as I have listened check it out.

 

[airborneCommando]

This ambush was exactly same as the Bhatta Durian iftar truck one! Exactly same!!

Terrorists had chosen a blind curve this time too, so that the vehicle slows down, first fire targeted the drivers!

Once the vehicle stopped!

Indiscriminate and aimless fire towards the soldiers while closing in!

We didn't learnt anything from it! And we payed for it!

If memory serves me right, there are countless such cases of ambushes on mounted troops in that area since last 2 decades? the only thing that has changed is that they somehow get accurate real-time intelligence of troop movement of the troops that are usually isolated from the rest of the nafri involved in any operation.

 

[Jedi Operator]

A good one as far as I have listened check it out.

I saw his interview on the Team House as well. Really nice dude. He said he got to see the best of both sides. He would do recce during the day and joing Delta and ST6 guys for DAs during the nighttime. Catching with very little sleep and food I guess. This dude's no joke!

 

[zathura98]

knee pads because it's mostly rubble?? btw that's some big ass knee pads , terminator stuff

 

[ALBY]

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/3-c...ter-site-internet-shut-in-2-districts-4729093
First you lose your men because of your inefficiency then you torture and kill your citizens to cover your inefficiency In which decade are living?

 

[Inderjeet Singh]

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/3-c...ter-site-internet-shut-in-2-districts-4729093
First you lose your men because of your inefficiency then you torture and kill your citizens to cover your inefficiency In which decade are living?

Maybe terrorist killed the 3 civilians who helped them to reach ambush site because if army caught these civilians they will got know about the terrorist they are playing double game in December 22 terrorist killed 2 porters outside of army unit and local people blame the army sentry later injured porter told the whole story