- Oct 2, 2016
Garud NEGEV LMG Gunner
The FM LSVs do look pretty decent. But is that a non-ballistic high cut and wtf is that plate carrier? Seems like what infantry are issued. Sometimes these guys have the new MOLLE “high speed” kind and then others they have this kind of junk.
Watch this:Bro Para are illiterates when it comes to such things.
Their high headedness is the reason for all this.
Sometimes i fail to understand why do we have to import such things.Doesnt it make common sense when you are deployed in combat that you need some tools?
Even Early man made tools!
Then we have to rely on tools made by Israelis and Americans and import them?
What did we learn from the battlefield?Dont we know we need a fucking shield if we get into urban warfare?
Is a ballistic shield impossible to invent?
Dont we know we need suppressors?Do we know what suppressors are for?
Do we think after spending so much time in combat that transition drills are important,etc etc etc
I mean what is the use of combat if it doesnt help you develop tools and tactics.
After spending so much time in combat the israelis had to teach Para proper room interventions.
AF and Navy on an average employ much more educationally qualified people across all platforms.
Navy people have the best team spirit and comradrie in my opinion.
I think if we deploy them in large numbers in Kashmir we will have positive results.
Yes there are no excuses.Watch this:
A few points about what the US Military but specifically SF community learned after the Battle for Mogadishu (black hawk down incident)
- importance of lighter plate carriers with front and back plates
- the need for their CSAR teams to have emergency rescue equipment like the jaws of life, now ALL their CSAR (PJ?) crews have this as mandatory equipment
- the use of NODs, specially the flip down helmet mounted kind, they want to “own the night”
- Operators have their own emergency provisions depending on the nature of the mission (a “go bag”) in case they face a similar situation again where they are behind enemy lines
- it seems like the entire emergency medical treatment process was built in this battle as well as the tiny things like how to fold a tourniquet.
This was all from ONE battle 25+ years ago now but the lessons are still tangible and have been applied US military wide and for their entire SF community, I’m sure there’s plenty more lessons they didn’t share.
And Indian SF have been fighting the exact same fight in the exact same way for how many decades now? How many battles have they had? How many encounters? What’s changed? What new equipment has emerged?
THIS is the difference between leaders and followers. When Indian units do get new gear these days it’s almost solely becuase they are blindly imitating a Western unit like those amateur airsofters do.
This is also about Institutional culture and not merely money. If you gave Indian SFs per capita spending equivalent of US SOFs do we really think this would make them a more dynamicand responsive entity? US SOFs have an incredible feedback mechanism,lessons learnt in the battlefield are fed back and applied throughout the community and even across the ENTIRE US military.
In my opinion, having Combat Free Fallers in NSG is point less. If ever the situation were to occur, where I need to para drop into a counter terrorist operation, I can look into the many Para SF, SFF and Para Airborne units before I will turn to NSG. Now many Para deputees will already have CFF and para wings from their parent regiment but thats at individual's level.Of Course they train for every possible scenario. After all they have PARA SF operators on deputation in SAG with combat diving skills so they are frequently sent for para jumps & combat diving refreshment courses.
The AF QRT was CT/CI base security. The Garuds were raised for way way more. Though the QRT duty has become their primary deployment
100% DSC need to be given just the basic equipment on par with say Mumbai QRT.QRT was always organised by IAF with hands available on the base, if i can put it simply. This was in addition to the DSC guards.
Btw who was the first to inflict casualty in Pathankot attack?
Sepoy Jagdish Chand was making tea in a cookhouse at the base on the morning of 2 January when six terrorists stormed in, guns blazing, and killed four of his fellow jawans. Chand, a professional wrestler, ran at the attackers unarmed and tackled one of them. He grappled with the terrorist, turned his own rifle against him and shot him in the head. That act of bravery cost the 48-year-old sepoy his life.
I feel we have never developed the DSC to its full capability.
In Pathankot, the fidayeen were also engaged by Hony. Capt Fateh Singh ex Dogra Regiment with Gold Medallist in sharp shooting in CWG. This was no rookie soldier and he knew is shooting. He was on guard duty in any case - so he had at least a minimal level of fitness for the job.
Had luck not abandoned him the attackers would have been sorted there and then.
Imagine if Fateh Singh and light weight kevlar armour, and light weight small arms at their disposal. Nothing very fancy, some quality kit and maybe a night vision optic. @WARREN SS calculated the cost of equipping a SF soldier - how about a DSC jawan?
I clench my fist at the thought of how we squander away what he have and thirst for what we don't. Remember it was a retired army jawan who wrestled down Qasab as well.
With the expansion of NSG to a pan India commando force, it'd make sense to hand over a contingent to sensitive airbases (have heard it's already happening).At present DSC jawans are kitted out with a uniform similar to a constable in the police + an INSAS assault rifle, previously a SLR.
I would provide DSC jawans with:
- 9mm Sidearm + ammo
- Amogh Carbine or JVPC, or even a MX4 Storm
- Lightweight helmet - does not have to be a heavy bullet proof one
- Good quality camo uniform
- Lightweight bullet resistant vests - again, does not have to be heavy with max protection
- Handheld radio
- Lightweight shoes
- + typical police kit such as torch, first aid kit
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