Indian Special Forces (archived)

[JuniorMarcos]

Technology ..yes.

Physical robustness..Big no

And you are right Marcos are trained in different terrain...

But the school they train in for different terrain is run by Indian Army and the instructor there is from Para SF.

So basically beta baap se better he?..(no offense)

If you never seen a training of Marcos closely you can't say which one is better...

If so...Para guys are also coming in diving school ? Baap ke samne beta uchelega kya ??

All are good in their respective field and para are generally trained for specific terrain and transfered in specific regiment respectively whereas Marcos is trained for all terrain and they don't have regiment because limited number of Marcos are always onboard IN ship which sails to many country so for example
if Indian Navy is assigned to rescue Kidnapped Ambassador of india from desert in UAE ... Marcos would respond if IN navy have any ship sailing nearby , they won't wait for 10 Para ....

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

If you never seen a training of Marcos closely you can't say which one is better...

If so...Para guys are also coming in diving school ? Baap ke samne beta uchelega kya ??

All are good in their respective field and para are generally trained for specific terrain and transfered in specific regiment respectively whereas Marcos is trained for all terrain and they don't have regiment because limited number of Marcos are always onboard IN ship which sails to many country so for example
if Indian Navy is assigned to rescue Kidnapped Ambassador of india from desert in UAE ... Marcos would respond if IN navy have any ship sailing nearby , they won't wait for 10 Para ....

Except Sea deployment please mention Marcos achievements in high altitude and siachen also in north east.

And please tell me how many Marcos have got high grades ie Instructor grades in Army schools of combat.

Please englighten me today in the auspicious day of Independence.

Also kindly post how many gallantry medals Marcos earned as compared to Para in the last 20 years.

 

[JuniorMarcos]

And the people who are constantly saying Marcos is superior only coz its blue water operation area is a tick let me ask you this if covering all terrains is a important criteria then..

How many Marcos deployments in Siachen?

How many Marcos deployment at high altitude?

How many Marcos got Instructor rating in Army schools like CIJWS and HAWS?

How many Marcos deployment in North East?

Sir aap toh rehendo .. commercial plane udaoo aur enjoy kroo .. apke bas ki batt nhi hai

1) It doesn't mean all para are deployed their...even infantry troop are deployed to siachen , so it is not a extra plus point for para but for whole Indian Army
2) Many of them are deployed in high altitude including Ladakh depends on mission profile , Indian Navy won't come here to acknowledge you.
3) Even if they get Instructor rating they won't let you know .. how many Para guy got instructor rating in diving course ??
4) Many and one of them received gallantry award today

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Sir aap toh rehendo .. commercial plane udaoo aur enjoy kroo .. apke bas ki batt nhi hai

1) It doesn't mean all para are deployed their...even infantry troop are deployed to siachen , so it is not a extra plus point for para but for whole Indian Army
2) Many of them are deployed in high altitude including Ladakh depends on mission profile , Indian Navy won't come here to acknowledge you.
3) Even if they get Instructor rating they won't let you know .. how many Para guy got instructor rating in diving course ??
4) Many and one of them received gallantry award today

Haha guppe maro beith k.

Many Para have got I grade in your diving school sir.Since you sound like a navy brat please ask your sources.

Para have done amphibious ops in North East.

And it was you who said different mission profile was a plus so now that i mentioned Siachen it becomes a plus for Army but not Para who fucking helped in conquering it in the 80s ...waaah.

Sir ap rehne do yeh debate.

I hope you join Marcos and become senior marcos from junior marcos.

Jai hind.

 

[Alfalfa]

And the people who are constantly saying Marcos is superior only coz its blue water operation area is a tick let me ask you this if covering all terrains is a important criteria then..

How many Marcos deployments in Siachen?

How many Marcos deployment at high altitude?

How many Marcos got Instructor rating in Army schools like CIJWS and HAWS?

How many Marcos deployment in North East?

While I agree with your points, almost all Marcos do get certified at CJIWS or HAWS... there is no point measuring prick sizes of special forces against each other...

 

[Underground Soldier]

The Scale of Operations of PARA SF is much bigger as compared to the Marcos probably because most of the ops have taken place in Land. Therefore PARA SF have accumulated much experience as against Marcos on Land. Marcos are still used for cordon as we saw in shopian ops where they killed 4 terrorists. Even on water PARA SF have done ops like on loktak lake (desert Storm 21Para). So the experience is more of PARA SF as compared to marcos

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

While I agree with your points, almost all Marcos do get certified at CJIWS or HAWS... there is no point measuring prick sizes of special forces against each other...

I agree totally.

But if i get a degree in a college i wont go on saying that i know more than the professors there.

I think its disrespectful to graduate from a institute and claim you are better than the institute.

Which is the basic arguement of Marcos fanboy here.

Marcos doesn't own any combat school of itself except diving school owned by the Navy and their training centre.

All other combat schools are owned by Army and training is done with Para instructors present there.

 

[JuniorMarcos]

Haha guppe maro beith k.

Many Para have got I grade in your diving school sir.Since you sound like a navy brat please ask your sources.

Para have done amphibious ops in North East.

And it was you who said different mission profile was a plus so now that i mentioned Siachen it becomes a plus for Army but not Para who fucking helped in conquering it in the 80s ...waaah.

Sir ap rehne do yeh debate.

I hope you join Marcos and become senior marcos from junior marcos.

Jai hind.

For your information , the way para get only basic diving course for 6 month or so , they are not efficient as Marcos , why would IA call marcos in Dal lake , srinagar & wullar lake when para can do so called amphibious ops .

Siachen have normal soldier as i said earlier.

I know your brother is in normal infantry of army which depicts your love toward Army but i am trying to make it more fact based instead of posting emotionally...

Nahi sir hum Navy brat nhi hai I don't have such privileges.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

For your information , the way para get only basic diving course for 6 month or so , they are not efficient as Marcos , why would IA call marcos in Dal lake , srinagar & wullar lake when para can do so called amphibious ops .

Siachen have normal soldier as i said earlier.

I know your brother is in normal infantry of army which depicts your love toward Army but i am trying to make it more fact based instead of posting emotionally...

Nahi sir hum Navy brat nhi hai I don't have such privileges.

Siachen is for every soldier sir..even Arty guys are posted there.

Secondly,Para does its own combat diving training after the probationer comes from Kerala.

Lastly,Army is not dependent on Navy for amphibious ops.Lok Tak lake op was done by 21 para.

I also know a little bit about Marcos and Garuds flying commerical planes with pilots who are ex AF and Navy.

So its not like i am biased.I am stating the facts.

You may not like me or my opinion coz you want to hear something else.

 

[JuniorMarcos]

I agree totally.

But if i get a degree in a college i wont go on saying that i know more than the professors there.

I think its disrespectful to graduate from a institute and claim you are better than the institute.

Which is the basic arguement of Marcos fanboy here.

Marcos doesn't own any combat school of itself except diving school owned by the Navy and their training centre.

All other combat schools are owned by Army and training is done with Para instructors present there.

Marcos don't rely on combat school owned by Army , we got our own combat school we only rely on Army for jungle warfare & Desert school..

Both Marcos & Para SF are trained in very different manner , You can compare Para SF with United States Army Special Forces also known for their green beret where as you can compare Marocs with SEALs or Spetsnaz !

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Marcos don't rely on combat school owned by Army , we got our own combat school we only rely on Army for jungle warfare & Desert school..

Both Marcos & Para SF are trained in very different manner , You can compare Para SF with United States Army Special Forces also known for their green beret where as you can compare Marocs with SEALs or Spetsnaz !

Sir why you are saying "we" if you are not Navy brat? hahaha

And Marcos are trained in CBS,HAWS,CIJWS,Infantry school,Desert warfare school .

All are under Army.

 

[JuniorMarcos]

Sir why you are saying "we" if you are not Navy brat? hahaha

And Marcos are trained in CBS,HAWS,CIJWS,Infantry school,Desert warfare school .

All are under Army.

We is referred for navy
Did you ever heard about Naval Special Warfare Tactical Training Centre

I Will once again say Para SF might be superior in specific terrain as all regiment are meant for specific terrain
but each Marcos are trained in all terrains

You can bring 10 Para SF to jungle warfare with Marcos to know the superiority

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

We is referred for navy
Did you ever heard about Naval Special Warfare Tactical Training Centre

I Will once again say Para SF might be superior in specific terrain as all regiment are meant for specific terrain
but each Marcos are trained in all terrains

You can bring 10 Para SF to jungle warfare with Marcos to know the superiority

Haha

Bhai 10 Para was in Sri Lanka fighting the best terrorist force ever.

Anyway have a good day.

 

[Waanar]

Sir aap toh rehendo .. commercial plane udaoo aur enjoy kroo .. apke bas ki batt nhi hai

1) It doesn't mean all para are deployed their...even infantry troop are deployed to siachen , so it is not a extra plus point for para but for whole Indian Army
2) Many of them are deployed in high altitude including Ladakh depends on mission profile , Indian Navy won't come here to acknowledge you.
3) Even if they get Instructor rating they won't let you know .. how many Para guy got instructor rating in diving course ??
4) Many and one of them received gallantry award today

Apparently, people have taken the secretive aura a bit too far.

 

[1minout]

For your information , the way para get only basic diving course for 6 month or so , they are not efficient as Marcos , why would IA call marcos in Dal lake , srinagar & wullar lake when para can do so called amphibious ops .

Siachen have normal soldier as i said earlier.

I know your brother is in normal infantry of army which depicts your love toward Army but i am trying to make it more fact based instead of posting emotionally...

Nahi sir hum Navy brat nhi hai I don't have such privileges.

If you never seen a training of Marcos closely you can't say which one is better...

If so...Para guys are also coming in diving school ? Baap ke samne beta uchelega kya ??

All are good in their respective field and para are generally trained for specific terrain and transfered in specific regiment respectively whereas Marcos is trained for all terrain and they don't have regiment because limited number of Marcos are always onboard IN ship which sails to many country so for example
if Indian Navy is assigned to rescue Kidnapped Ambassador of india from desert in UAE ... Marcos would respond if IN navy have any ship sailing nearby , they won't wait for 10 Para ....

Lol nothing better than a heated debate over marcos vs para special forces by a bunch of people that have never been either of them

 

[Unknowncommando 2]

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[Bhadra]

Lol nothing better than a heated debate over marcos vs para special forces by a bunch of people that have never been either of them

The aptest statement that has come through.

US Navy is the principle Arm of American expeditionary power who pride in having as much land role as on the sea through their USMC. Keeping that in view US SEALS is as much is a land oriented SOF as sea-soaked. I would as much to go a step further and suggest that SEALs are sea-based land oriented SFs.

Marcos have not developed that big a land domain and role so far nor have PARA SF gained sea-based profiles. It was only on an experimental basis that one could come across an agitated naval officer in a supply depot fighting for Neval special rations in the valley. Operationally. both, the MARCOS and our SF based SAG got to know their pennies worth in 26/11 Bombay attacks and since then both know nothing but room intervention.

Both have their domain and I hope both will gain some valuable experience from Ladakh. This is the real-time for the Nine to be tested, tried and fried in their real roles..

 

[abingdonboy]

One more interview with this ghost officer, this time by an ex-navy officer (Lt. Cdr.) -
Part 1:


Part 2:

The first part highlights The need for centralised and standardised SF training standards. As the Maj points out, because of the nature of 9 he didn’t get his para wings (by completing the course) until almost 2 years with the btn, this is a core competency of SFs- they are *PARA* SF after all. I appreciate that this is becuase 9 is employed in more ops than the other units but that’s no excuse and highlights the deficiencies in the current process.

When the SF operators turn up at their units they should have the basics already mastered, the advanced stuff can be done in the BTN. Using the US as an example, all USN SEALS go to BUDS first (selection) after that they go for SQT (Seal qualification training) where they learn the basics and there’s also an airborne element. And then they go to their respective teams and in their teams they do the more advanced training.

the way that it’s described in the IA SF means you won’t be getting a consistent product and while this is likely going to work out it can lead to huge deficiencies as it can lead to a Swiss cheese type of failure where a series of events creates a point of failure.

He also mentioned 9 had 6 months of probation but other btns had only 3, again it makes no sense to leave this to individual btns to decide. There should be a standard approach not jugaad.


there was reports that IA SF wanted to move to the centralised standardised approach and let’s hope this happens soon.

 

[abingdonboy]

1,10 are very old..21 is the newest and 4 was formed before 21.

Except 21 and 9 every other para rotates for field deployment.

9 and 21 have been constantly in ops.

Personally,the best Fire and move drill and other drills i ever saw has been was by 21 but the operator says 9 does it better so lets give it to him.

1 is respected a lot ..10 have been pretty good aswell except little bit testing in Lanka.

4 seem to have built up quite a reputation also in a short span of time

We is referred for navy
Did you ever heard about Naval Special Warfare Tactical Training Centre

I Will once again say Para SF might be superior in specific terrain as all regiment are meant for specific terrain
but each Marcos are trained in all terrains

You can bring 10 Para SF to jungle warfare with Marcos to know the superiority

don’t know what is achieved by creating a ‘vs’ discussion. Any soldier respects another soldier and this goes for SF operators just as much if not more. MARCOs and PARA (SF) are on the same side but they have different roles and specialisations. If an oil rig is taken over who are you going to call? If you need a cross border op via land insertion, who will be used?

the lack of MARCOs’ employment and experience isn’t the fault of the unit or their operators but becuase until now they have firmly been in the grip of their service HQ (same story with Garuds) and why would the navy HQ see any interest in sending their assets to fight the ‘army’s war’ in the north/NE?

this mentality is why a SOCOM is needed- take SF assets out of the hands of the conventional C&C and use these specialists assets as just that. Before US SOCOM SEALS were largely relegated to maritime ops too, after it came into existence they started to focus more on land warfare and the GOT has seen them employed in this role almost as much as their army counterparts

Anyway, the AFSOD experiment is on and if/when this gets expanded into a SOCOM it will still take a long many years to see the fruits.

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[Waanar]

We is referred for navy
Did you ever heard about Naval Special Warfare Tactical Training Centre

I Will once again say Para SF might be superior in specific terrain as all regiment are meant for specific terrain
but each Marcos are trained in all terrains

You can bring 10 Para SF to jungle warfare with Marcos to know the superiority

Para SF doesn't train exclusively in any terrain anymore from what I hear.
And funny you mention 10th who made a name for themselves in Sri Lanka and as LTTE put it "were the only feared unit".