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[Zebra]

CIT 'X' Operations: Mossad-RAW nexus

By THE PEOPLE OF PAKISTAN on February 11, 2010 ,
From thepeopleofpakistan.wordpress.com

S M Hali

http://www.zimbio.com/Tourist+Places+of+Rajasthan+India/articles/erKoGJ4kU50/CIT+X+Operations+Mossad+RAW+nexus

(looks like a product of lal topi .)

 

[boris]

A special comment about the "special forces, commandos, etc". This comment is not specific to just India.

I have noticed that in the every single country in the world believes that their commandos are the "best in the world". England, France, UK, US, India, China, Russia, Malaysia, Pakistan, South Africa, Singapore, Israel, Australia, Indonesia, Vietnam, Thailand.........go anywhere you want.

They all claim that their "special forces" are among the best of the best. Can this really be true ??

To put it simply if they don't have confidence in themselves,their mates and their skills they won't be able to execute the mission.

 

[blueblood]

MARCOS not much of an idea but with the SEALs it is 6 months BUDS,then SEAL Qualification Training and then SEAL Tactical Training.STT and Advanced Operator Training are imparted at the SEAL team allocated to each individual.So the whole cycle takes about 2+ years.

The founders of Marcos were Lt. Arvind Singh and Lt Shamsher Singh Deopa. Both went to SEAL training and completed their course with flying colours. Marcos follow the BUDS just like SEALs though advanced training may differ.

But sheer experience of PARA SF is unmatched by any other unit and is matched only by a handful of units in the world.

 

[Rahul Singh]

A special comment about the "special forces, commandos, etc". This comment is not specific to just India.

I have noticed that in the every single country in the world believes that their commandos are the "best in the world". England, France, UK, US, India, China, Russia, Malaysia, Pakistan, South Africa, Singapore, Israel, Australia, Indonesia, Vietnam, Thailand.........go anywhere you want.

They all claim that their "special forces" are among the best of the best. Can this really be true ??

Special forces are get in get'em get out guys. As long as they accomplish assigned job they are best.

 

[boris]

The founders of Marcos were Lt. Arvind Singh and Lt Shamsher Singh Deopa. Both went to SEAL training and completed their course with flying colours. Marcos follow the BUDS just like SEALs though advanced training may differ.

But sheer experience of PARA SF is unmatched by any other unit and is matched only by a handful of units in the world.

Yes those two officers went and Lt. Singh was later awarded the Mahavir Chakra,as of 2009 he was a Commodore in the Navy no idea whether he is still in service.

I have actually asked an Para(SF) officer about the same and he said that MARCOS selection is very different from the SEALs.

Just a fun fact the MARCOS have been shown in the Sunny Deol movie "Darr" in the beginning you'll see his uniform with the para wings and combat diver badge,in the rescue scene in the start you'll get to see the Cosmos mini-sub and some MARCOS with AK's.Only Sunny was given a mock-up gun.

 

[boris]

The founders of Marcos were Lt. Arvind Singh and Lt Shamsher Singh Deopa. Both went to SEAL training and completed their course with flying colours. Marcos follow the BUDS just like SEALs though advanced training may differ.

But sheer experience of PARA SF is unmatched by any other unit and is matched only by a handful of units in the world.

Yes those two officers went and Lt. Singh was later awarded the Mahavir Chakra,as of 2009 he was a Commodore in the Navy no idea whether he is still in service.

I have actually asked an Para(SF) officer about the same and he said that MARCOS selection is very different from the SEALs.

Just a fun fact the MARCOS have been shown in the Sunny Deol movie "Darr" in the beginning you'll see his uniform with the para wings and combat diver badge,in the rescue scene in the start you'll get to see the Cosmos mini-sub and some MARCOS with AK's.Only Sunny was given a mock-up gun.

 

[blueblood]

I have actually asked an Para(SF) officer about the same and he said that MARCOS selection is very different from the SEALs.

Just a fun fact the MARCOS have been shown in the Sunny Deol movie "Darr" in the beginning you'll see his uniform with the para wings and combat diver badge,in the rescue scene in the start you'll get to see the Cosmos mini-sub and some MARCOS with AK's.Only Sunny was given a mock-up gun.

He could be right but from what I've heard the reason these two officers went for BUDS so that they can replicate it for IN. SSG(N) followed the same strategy.

Never knew about Darr.

 

[boris]

He could be right but from what I've heard the reason these two officers went for BUDS so that they can replicate it for IN. SSG(N) followed the same strategy.

Never knew about Darr.

Yeah I mean the beginning was the learning stage for MARCOS it was after years of experience and experimentation that they adopted their own selection methodology

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[boris]

@blueblood

If you are interested in BUDS,a few years back the Discovery Channel had a done a 6 episode documentry on it.It was titled Navy SEALs Class 234 BUDS.

I am attaching the link for the first episode,rest are there on youtube

Navy SEALs BUD/S Class 234 - Part 1 - Welcome To BUD/S - YouTube

also once you are done with it,

1)type in "two weeks in Hell" this is the Green Beret Selection documentary.

2)type in "SAS :search for warriors",this is the documentary on the Australian SASR selection.

Enjoy.

 

[blueblood]

@blueblood

If you are interested in BUDS,a few years back the Discovery Channel had a done a 6 episode documentry on it.It was titled Navy SEALs Class 234 BUDS.

I am attaching the link for the first episode,rest are there on youtube

Navy SEALs BUD/S Class 234 - Part 1 - Welcome To BUD/S - YouTube

also once you are done with it,

1)type in "two weeks in Hell" this is the Green Beret Selection documentary.

2)type in "SAS :search for warriors",this is the documentary on the Australian SASR selection.

Enjoy.

Thanks man, they did a new series on SEALs post OBL raid, look for it.

You might also these interesting.

Combat Missions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hunting Chris Ryan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Not documentaries but reality series.

 

[Bhadra]

Marcos is stated to have participated in behind enemy lines operations in the Kargil war though their actual operation is classified(source:wikipaedia).can anyone speculate what kind of operation it can be?

Marcos are specialists of water (sea) operations and land (coastal areas) operations. They are trained for underwater tasks. It is highly improbable that they are also trained for high altitude operations of conditions akin to Siachin.

Mountains and specially high altitude is a different cup of tea. Why waste Marcos for terrain they would not even imagined. Yes, they have operated, according to media reports, in low mountainous jungles of North Kashmir.

 

[Ray]

What would be the requirement of the MARCOS to be experts in HAA?'

The British SAS together with the Special Boat Service (SBS), Special Reconnaissance Regiment (SRR), Special Forces Support Group (SFSG), 18 (UKSF) Signal Regiment and the Joint Special Forces Aviation Wing form the UKSF under the command of the Director Special Forces.

22 SAS Regiment has four operational squadrons: A, B, D and G. Each squadron consists of approximately 60 men commanded by a major, divided into four troops and a small headquarters section. Troops usually consist of 16 men, and each patrol within a troop consists of four men, with each man possessing a particular skill: signals, demolition, medic or linguist in addition to basic skills learned during the course of his training.] The four troops specialise in four different areas:

Boat troop — are specialists in maritime skills using scuba diving, kayaks and Rigid-hulled inflatable boats and often train with the Special Boat Service.

Air troop — are experts in free fall parachuting, High Altitude-Low Opening (HALO) and High Altitude-High Opening (HAHO) techniques.

Mobility troop — are specialists in using vehicles and are experts in desert warfare; they are also trained in an advanced level of motor mechanics to field-repair any vehicular breakdown.

Mountain troop — are specialists in Arctic combat and survival, using specialist equipment such as skis, snowshoes and mountain climbing techniques.

Mt personal opinion is that one cannot be a Jack of all trades and a Super Rambo. One has to specialise since SF has to work in a very tight spatiotemporal environment.

 

[Ray]

MARCOS has operated on the Wular Lake and have done a real good job in keeping it clear of transiting militants who wished to avoid the Bandipora belt.

 

[Bhadra]

What would be the requirement of the MARCOS to be experts in HAA?'

The British SAS together with the Special Boat Service (SBS), Special Reconnaissance Regiment (SRR), Special Forces Support Group (SFSG), 18 (UKSF) Signal Regiment and the Joint Special Forces Aviation Wing form the UKSF under the command of the Director Special Forces.

22 SAS Regiment has four operational squadrons: A, B, D and G. Each squadron consists of approximately 60 men commanded by a major, divided into four troops and a small headquarters section. Troops usually consist of 16 men, and each patrol within a troop consists of four men, with each man possessing a particular skill: signals, demolition, medic or linguist in addition to basic skills learned during the course of his training.] The four troops specialise in four different areas:

Boat troop — are specialists in maritime skills using scuba diving, kayaks and Rigid-hulled inflatable boats and often train with the Special Boat Service.

Air troop — are experts in free fall parachuting, High Altitude-Low Opening (HALO) and High Altitude-High Opening (HAHO) techniques.

Mobility troop — are specialists in using vehicles and are experts in desert warfare; they are also trained in an advanced level of motor mechanics to field-repair any vehicular breakdown.

Mountain troop — are specialists in Arctic combat and survival, using specialist equipment such as skis, snowshoes and mountain climbing techniques.

Mt personal opinion is that one cannot be a Jack of all trades and a Super Rambo. One has to specialise since SF has to work in a very tight spatiotemporal environment.

But why a patrol consist of four men? why not eight??
What can four men do? suppose one is dead then?

 

[Bhadra]

MARCOS has operated on the Wular Lake and have done a real good job in keeping it clear of transiting militants who wished to avoid the Bandipora belt.

Why didn't they operate in Dul Lake? The largest hub of terrorist, transiting to Srinagar vai Gandarabal ??

 

[Ray]

Why didn't they operate in Dul Lake? The largest hub of terrorist, transiting to Srinagar vai Gandarabal ??

Dal Lake does not join North Kashmir with South Kashmir.

The Ganderbal belt is less in focus to say the Baramullah - Srinagar Road and so the militants use that route. But then, the military presence obstruct movement to some extent. Wular is ideal since one can't put up check posts etc on a lake. Here is where the Marcos plays a role in their speedboats with arms.

Dal Lake is a tourist attraction. What will the terrorist do there unless they are moving to Zoji La and into Kargil. It is easier and quicker to infiltrate through the old trade routes.

 

[Ray]

But why a patrol consist of four men? why not eight??
What can four men do? suppose one is dead then?

I really would not know.

The only thing I can guess is that a small group is more stealthy.

That is why a recce patrol has a small contingent, while a protective patrol is a large one.

 

[blueblood]

What would be the requirement of the MARCOS to be experts in HAA?

Mt personal opinion is that one cannot be a Jack of all trades and a Super Rambo. One has to specialise since SF has to work in a very tight spatiotemporal environment.

A few years back Royal Marine Commandos (Her Majesty's arctic warfare specialists) came for in high altitude exercise. Their performance , to put it mildly was, poor.

These chaps are pretty tough but even they didn't make the cut in the Himalayas.

 

[boris]

A few years back Royal Marine Commandos (Her Majesty's arctic warfare specialists) came for in high altitude exercise. Their performance , to put it mildly was, poor.

These chaps are pretty tough but even they didn't make the cut in the Himalayas.

The RMC though certainly tough haven't faced terrain like the Himalayas in terms of altitude so it'd definitely be a shocker for them,this is why every year they come to train themselves in that segment at HAWS.

 

[boris]

I really would not know.

The only thing I can guess is that a small group is more stealthy.

That is why a recce patrol has a small contingent, while a protective patrol is a large one.

That would be a very logical reason.In the Malayan conflict the 4 man recce teams were many a time spotted by the guerrilla ambush parties but they thought " this must be a patrol party,lets wait for the big assault group".For recce the SAS has used 4 man teams,for the assault it would have been a higher number for eg the Bravo Two Zero team was composed of 8 members.