Indian Special Forces (archived)

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

I think you should talk about some of it in the Naxal thread, as long as the info is not super sensitive or classified.

Do you think the people with personal motivation and a insecurity for Garuds would let me discuss their fault?

Who am i to argue with people who claim that Garuds are deployed in Africa for black ops,did surgical strikes...performed extremely well in pathankot!!!!!!
Even when the AF higher ups have claimed otherwise.

 

[mayfair]

Well we are a discussion forum innit? I think it's safe to say that many of us are here to know and learn new things and discuss issues of interest in an amicable manner.

That said, discussion may often involve opposing views. So if you feel there's something good to share, don't just hold back because you think someone will pile up on you.

I for one will be looking forward to you sharing any accounts of Garuds and their roles in anti-Naxal ops.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Well we are a discussion forum innit? I think it's safe to say that many of us are here to know and learn new things and discuss issues of interest in an amicable manner.

That said, discussion may often involve opposing views. So if you feel there's something good to share, don't just hold back because you think someone will pile up on you.

I for one will be looking forward to you sharing any accounts of Garuds and their roles in anti-Naxal ops.

Theres nothing good.

A Court Of Inquiry was ordered on the Garuds.

The AF cleared them but it was a inhumane thing to do. (Its not related to killing anyone)

 

[aditya g]

Theres nothing good.

A Court Of Inquiry was ordered on the Garuds.

The AF cleared them but it was a inhumane thing to do. (Its not related to killing anyone)

You are probably referring to the incident where Mi-17 was force landed after being shot by Naxals.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

You are probably referring to the incident where Mi-17 was force landed after being shot by Naxals.

Yes sir!

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[rkhanna]

Some new info on the construct of the MOD's Special Forces division

" the Special Operations Division will be based outside the national capital. The Special Operations Division will have components of the Special Forces of the Army, Navy and IAF, and will be equipped and trained together for various external contingencies. The Army currently has Special Forces battalions, Navy has Marine Commandos (Marcos) and IAF has Garud. This division, which will be based at a location which already has training infrastructure, will have two SF battalions at its core, along with teams from Marcos and Garud, sources explained."

http://indianexpress.com/article/in...r-space-special-operations-divisions-4892404/

So again. Nothing to do with a SOCOM. this will be almost a brand new unit building up strength from existing resources and will have its own tasking. Current SOF units (bulk off) will continue to remain outside this structure and will have their own tasking.

So essentially we will be replicating budget here. Budget for SFF, SF, MARCOS, Garud + a budget for SFD. so instead of reducing inefficiencies we could be adding a whole new layer of bureaucracy?!

Also wonder how the intel set up will function. Intel will be fed to the SFD and then the same intel will be fed to each one of the service units seperately?

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

My concern is that is it a training detachment that it will be based out of the capital and at a location where there is training infrastructure?

I thought such a detachment would be in action and conducting ops all over the country.

 

[aditya g]

My concern is that is it a training detachment that it will be based out of the capital and at a location where there is training infrastructure?

I thought such a detachment would be in action and conducting ops all over the country.

Speculation - Saraswa or Nahan.

Note that the article mentions it is meant for "external contingencies".

I welcome the creation of the formation, imho creation of the SF Regiment is more important.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Speculation - Saraswa or Nahan.

Note that the article mentions it is meant for "external contingencies".

I welcome the creation of the formation, imho creation of the SF Regiment is more important.

If its for external contigency then it is not a primary force considering the circumstances we are in.

No mention of NSG?

 

[rkhanna]

NSG is not a MOD Military Unit. It does not undertake Military SpeOps.

External Contingencies. -? If the bulk of the force is outside the SOD. then only this unit gets deployed overseas? Is this then supposed to be a new Tier 1 formation. if so then what happens to SG?

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

NSG is not a MOD Military Unit. It does not undertake Military SpeOps.

External Contingencies. -? If the bulk of the force is outside the SOD. then only this unit gets deployed overseas? Is this then supposed to be a new Tier 1 formation. if so then what happens to SG?

Sirji,do you know who went on board the aircraft for negotiations to Qandhar when IC 814 was hijacked?

If such a situation arises again then what use is of this new establishment if a unit outside the establishment will be called for such contingency.

I agree NSG is not a MilSpec unit.

 

[cobra commando]

33rd NSG Raising Day Celebration at Manesar, Gurgaon. Black cats Commandos in action.

 

[rkhanna]

Sirji,do you know who went on board the aircraft for negotiations to Qandhar when IC 814 was hijacked?

If such a situation arises again then what use is of this new establishment if a unit outside the establishment will be called for such contingency.

I agree NSG is not a MilSpec unit.

While thats true we dont have an alternative Anti Hijack Unit. In America Anti Hijack (plane) is handled by HRT domestically and Delta Outside us borders.

the SOD will have to build up the capability. Simply put the NSG in Kandahar were caught like deers in headlights. Not their fault really it was an unsecure environment. It was teeming with RPGs and MANPADs and MMGs. Tactially they were simply not prepared to dealing with such a senario.

I.E. Securing the Airport and taking the plane and Exfilling with the hostages.

Like you said not a Milspec unit.

 

[WolfPack86]

NSG Commandos Sherpa armoured vechile

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

While thats true we dont have an alternative Anti Hijack Unit. In America Anti Hijack (plane) is handled by HRT domestically and Delta Outside us borders.

the SOD will have to build up the capability. Simply put the NSG in Kandahar were caught like deers in headlights. Not their fault really it was an unsecure environment. It was teeming with RPGs and MANPADs and MMGs. Tactially they were simply not prepared to dealing with such a senario.

I.E. Securing the Airport and taking the plane and Exfilling with the hostages.

Like you said not a Milspec unit.

Exactly but they followed them till UAE where they were denied permission to attack by UAE govt and Uncle Sam also did not support us.

The situation you and me are talking about if ever happens again will be dealt with 2-3 SF.

One unit like Para or Marcos will clear the outer parameter who can deal with High Calibre weapons and is a mil spec unit.

The other unit specialising in hijacking will enter and clear the a/c.

 

[rkhanna]

The situation you and me are talking about if ever happens again will be dealt with 2-3 SF.

Just as an FYI - The Para's have no capability in taking an airplane. It will take them YEARS to build up this capability.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Just as an FYI - The Para's have no capability in taking an airplane. It will take them YEARS to build up this capability.

Thats why i said we should put NSG in the new detachment and such operation will require 2-3 SFs like i said.

Thanks for proving my point.

 

[rkhanna]

Thats why i said we should put NSG in the new detachment and such operation will require 2-3 SFs like i said.

Thanks for proving my point.

Again re-orienting a part of NSG to be MilSpec expeditionary force is going to be as costly (time and resources) as tasking a Para Det or SG to do the same.

Secondly this proposed NSG det will be under MOD command. You think an IPS NSG Commander is going to let that happen easily?

And the headache gets amplified as the SOD is only a holding unit with only 2 Para units being permanent members.

This SOD muddle needs to find its own place in the order of things.

 

[Vorschlaghammer]

How feasible would it be for us to structure and set up command chains for our SF units like the Russian Alfa, Vympel and Vityaz spetsnaz groups ? They too report to different branches like MVD/GRU/FSB and have specialized roles.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Again re-orienting a part of NSG to be MilSpec expeditionary force is going to be as costly (time and resources) as tasking a Para Det or SG to do the same.

Secondly this proposed NSG det will be under MOD command. You think an IPS NSG Commander is going to let that happen easily?

And the headache gets amplified as the SOD is only a holding unit with only 2 Para units being permanent members.

This SOD muddle needs to find its own place in the order of things.

The NSG has various Special Composite teams around the country and with a new SAG being raised which consists of former SRG members i dont think there will be a problem of tasking.

When a Army officer can work under IPS why cant a Police officer work under the Army and to be honest a detachment of 60 operators is headed by a Major not even a Colonel so why is it important to bring the IPS officer of Brigader or General rank in between all of this?

52 SAG can be permanently deployed coz of its anti hijacking tasking.It doesn't have to be rotated.