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^^ Absolutely, there's no need to release any footage. Enough details have leaked out as it is. The public does not need to be convinced.

Napakis as much as the deny that anything happened talk about it at any given opportunity and their so-called media teams "covering" the LoC bring it up all the time. Each of these "journalistic tours" have at least ONE question on surgical strikes by the "journalist"
 

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Was there any involvement of SFF/SG during IPKF ops .Marcos and Para were active in the ops but nothing is heard about any activity done by SFF/SG .
 

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No idea.

Imo. Regarding the "surgical strikes". The media and us use the word like we discovered a new element. The shallow raids that took place have taken place countless times before.

The DIFF that is important (that is lost in translation) was that was a central command Authorized operation. Previously they were only theater commander level ops. I. E. Meaning pmo/nsa was involved in planning. Which also prompted this Govt to talk about it in the media.

There is no need to release anything to the public further.
Well of course there have been previous strikes but since this time yhe public demand was great, they had to come out in the open.
Otherwise Paras and SG wearing Jihadi attire and looking like them have a reason for itself apart from inland Kashmir operation and recce undercover.
 

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The six men hit team of PARA SF. Smallest but the deadliest.
Each of these six men specializes in a specific skill set i.e

1. weapons specialist
2. communication specialist
3. medic
4. Navigation specialist
5. demolition specialist
6. squad commander

This 6 man squad is capable of undertaking any sort of clandestine mission by itself.
Do notice the variety of weapons carried by'em, this ensures that these men can sustain themselves for longer periods in the enemy territory and can cause havoc at their will.

JAI HIND

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@reddevil9 They are in every PARA SF battalion? I mean each of the teams in 9 PARA SF or 10 PARA SF or 12 PARA SF would have specialists based on the theatre of operations wouldn't they? For example a navigation specialist would have his specialities- mountain, jungle, desert etc.

I ask this as a noob with not a very deep understanding of our SFs.
 

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@reddevil9 They are in every PARA SF battalion? I mean each of the teams in 9 PARA SF or 10 PARA SF or 12 PARA SF would have specialists based on the theatre of operations wouldn't they? For example a navigation specialist would have his specialities- mountain, jungle, desert etc.

I ask this as a noob with not a very deep understanding of our SFs.
Yes sir! the basic+ advanced training of any skill is imparted to'em at SFTS Nahan, whereas they specifically train for the theater of operation for which their battalion is mandated, in the Unit's headquarters.

So 10SF will train it's navigation specialist according to it's requirement but that guy can navigate through any of the terrain when the need arises.
 

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Maharashtra Police FORCE ONE
Mumbai Police QRT ( Quick Reaction Team )
in 2017

Note : F1 commandos are selected from SRPF ( State Reserve Police Force ) as well as state police & wear FORCE ONE patch on left shoulder while Mumbai Police QRT commandos are selected from regular Mumbai police force & wear Maharashtra Police patch on left shoulder as seen in the pictures following.
 

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VBSS , Malabar 2017, though they can't be considered as Special Forces I guess, but nain important thing here is no more they sre using old Sterlings (some pics were unveiled last year though)View attachment 17671 View attachment 17672 View attachment 17673 View attachment 17674
No, these aren't VBSS members, they are part of the IN's force protecton/security teams. VBSS teams are a a seperate and dedicated group of sailors trained in just that (VBSS) and sadly they DO still use the Sterlings.

The sailors that provide force protection to IN ships are NOT part of the VBSS teams.
 

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No, these aren't VBSS members, they are part of the IN's force protecton/security teams. VBSS teams are a a seperate and dedicated group of sailors trained in just that (VBSS) and sadly they DO still use the Sterlings.

The sailors that provide force protection to IN ships are NOT part of the VBSS teams.
Any way to distinguish them easily? Except VBSS carrying Sterling still astheir darling :p ?

Here is a pic of
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Karnataka Police Garuda Commandos
 

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Any way to distinguish them easily? Except VBSS carrying Sterling still astheir darling :p ?
They genrally have identical equipment (black dress and helmet/BPJ) although the security team/force protection are issued with assualt rifles (INSAS usually) or manning fixed machine gun positions on the ship and are used as static protection to IN ships and facilities. VBSS teams use carbines only (Sterling right now :( ) and are only used in VBSS ops hence you'll see them employing RIBs and such. VBSS aren't used for static security/force protection duties.

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Blood boils. And these weren't even our politicans. God help us overcome this rot

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india...ted-officer/story-Q3X3groo0FzkjoJOTRRjbM.html

India’s most decorated officer, Colonel Saurabh Singh Shekhawat, has accused two former army chiefs and a senior serving officer of victimising him for speaking up about a botched operation in 2011 that embarrassed the force.

The 45-year-old Shekhawat has named former chief Gen Bikram Singh, his successor Gen Dalbir Singh and Lt Gen Abhay Krishna in his complaint to the army headquarters.

“I am forced, with distress and disillusionment, to state that despite being highest decorated serving officer in the army with an unblemished operational profile, I have been systematically vicitimised by officers at the highest level,” Shekhawat has said in the letter, a copy of which is with Hindustan Times.

Shekhawat’s allegations have brought the focus back on the Jorhat operation that led to an all-out war among India’s top army officers and at one point even threatened to derail the force’s succession plan.

Gen Dalbir Singh and Lt Gen Krishna didn’t respond to repeated phone calls or messages. Gen Bikram Singh said he didn’t remember the case. “It is not right for me to comment also, as it’s more than three years that I have retired,” he told HT.

Shekhwat, who is on study leave and is pursuing research at the Delhi-based Institute for Defence Studies and Analysis, declined comment.

Such complaints usually take six to seven months to be processed, army sources said, refusing further comment. The complaint was made in April.

On the night of December 20, 2011, an army intelligence unit barged into the house of Jorhat-based businessman Surjit Gogoi on the suspicion he was working with the separatist United Liberation Front of Asom.

Gogoi, a contractor with the military engineering corps, was not home when the intelligence unit of the 3 Corps, which was based in neighbouring Nagland’s Dimapur, raided his home in the presence of his wife and other family members.

The soldiers allegedly took away cash, gold and mobile phones from his home, inviting allegations the raid was a robbery. Gogoi lodged a complaint that led to a police investigation.

His 21 para (SF) unit was based in Jorhat at that time but in a breach of procedure, the army intelligence unit didn’t inform his unit or local police about the operation, Shekhawat’s letter says.

He brought the incident to the notice of his superiors but they denied the army was involved.

He spoke to the then brigadier, general staff, Abhay Krishna, who “denied any involvement and asked me as to how do (did) I know that 3 CISU (the Intelligence Unit) had done such a thing? I was shocked by the reaction”.

The intelligence unit was under Krishna’s command. Bikram Singh was the eastern army commander and Dalbir Singh the 3 Corps commander. Krishna took charge of the southwestern command this January.

The intelligence unit raid caused an uproar and the then army chief Gen VK Singh, who is now a minister at the Centre, issued a showcause notice to Dalbir Singh, who was in line to be the army chief in 2014.

It threatened Dalbir Singh’s chances to lead the army. In an affidavit to the Supreme Court, he accused VK Singh of victimising him “with the sole purpose of denying promotion to the appointment of army commander”.

When he took over as the chief in May 2012, Gen Bikram Singh reversed VK Singh’s decision to bar Dalbir Singh from heading the Eastern Command, clearing his way to the force’s top job.

Similar allegations have now been made against Gen Dalbir Singh.“I learnt that directions were issued to my initiating officer to fix Col SS Shekhawat. This vindictive attitude continued when General Dalbir took over as army commander,” the letter says.

As the chief, Gen Dalbir Singh even got him dropped as the leader of an Indian Army expedition to Mount Everest in 2016. An avid mountaineer, Colonel Shekhawat has conquered the Everest thrice.

A part of the Indian Army’s elite special forces, Shekhawat has three gallantry awards to his name — Kirti Chakra, Shaurya Chakra and Sena Medal — and a Vishisht Sena Medal for distinguished service.
 

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Blood boils. And these weren't even our politicans. God help us overcome this rot

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india...ted-officer/story-Q3X3groo0FzkjoJOTRRjbM.html

India’s most decorated officer, Colonel Saurabh Singh Shekhawat, has accused two former army chiefs and a senior serving officer of victimising him for speaking up about a botched operation in 2011 that embarrassed the force.

The 45-year-old Shekhawat has named former chief Gen Bikram Singh, his successor Gen Dalbir Singh and Lt Gen Abhay Krishna in his complaint to the army headquarters.

“I am forced, with distress and disillusionment, to state that despite being highest decorated serving officer in the army with an unblemished operational profile, I have been systematically vicitimised by officers at the highest level,” Shekhawat has said in the letter, a copy of which is with Hindustan Times.

Shekhawat’s allegations have brought the focus back on the Jorhat operation that led to an all-out war among India’s top army officers and at one point even threatened to derail the force’s succession plan.

Gen Dalbir Singh and Lt Gen Krishna didn’t respond to repeated phone calls or messages. Gen Bikram Singh said he didn’t remember the case. “It is not right for me to comment also, as it’s more than three years that I have retired,” he told HT.

Shekhwat, who is on study leave and is pursuing research at the Delhi-based Institute for Defence Studies and Analysis, declined comment.

Such complaints usually take six to seven months to be processed, army sources said, refusing further comment. The complaint was made in April.

On the night of December 20, 2011, an army intelligence unit barged into the house of Jorhat-based businessman Surjit Gogoi on the suspicion he was working with the separatist United Liberation Front of Asom.

Gogoi, a contractor with the military engineering corps, was not home when the intelligence unit of the 3 Corps, which was based in neighbouring Nagland’s Dimapur, raided his home in the presence of his wife and other family members.

The soldiers allegedly took away cash, gold and mobile phones from his home, inviting allegations the raid was a robbery. Gogoi lodged a complaint that led to a police investigation.

His 21 para (SF) unit was based in Jorhat at that time but in a breach of procedure, the army intelligence unit didn’t inform his unit or local police about the operation, Shekhawat’s letter says.

He brought the incident to the notice of his superiors but they denied the army was involved.

He spoke to the then brigadier, general staff, Abhay Krishna, who “denied any involvement and asked me as to how do (did) I know that 3 CISU (the Intelligence Unit) had done such a thing? I was shocked by the reaction”.

The intelligence unit was under Krishna’s command. Bikram Singh was the eastern army commander and Dalbir Singh the 3 Corps commander. Krishna took charge of the southwestern command this January.

The intelligence unit raid caused an uproar and the then army chief Gen VK Singh, who is now a minister at the Centre, issued a showcause notice to Dalbir Singh, who was in line to be the army chief in 2014.

It threatened Dalbir Singh’s chances to lead the army. In an affidavit to the Supreme Court, he accused VK Singh of victimising him “with the sole purpose of denying promotion to the appointment of army commander”.

When he took over as the chief in May 2012, Gen Bikram Singh reversed VK Singh’s decision to bar Dalbir Singh from heading the Eastern Command, clearing his way to the force’s top job.

Similar allegations have now been made against Gen Dalbir Singh.“I learnt that directions were issued to my initiating officer to fix Col SS Shekhawat. This vindictive attitude continued when General Dalbir took over as army commander,” the letter says.

As the chief, Gen Dalbir Singh even got him dropped as the leader of an Indian Army expedition to Mount Everest in 2016. An avid mountaineer, Colonel Shekhawat has conquered the Everest thrice.

A part of the Indian Army’s elite special forces, Shekhawat has three gallantry awards to his name — Kirti Chakra, Shaurya Chakra and Sena Medal — and a Vishisht Sena Medal for distinguished service.
is this the same Col. SS shekhawat this article is talking about?

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Blood boils. And these weren't even our politicans. God help us overcome this rot

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india...ted-officer/story-Q3X3groo0FzkjoJOTRRjbM.html

India’s most decorated officer, Colonel Saurabh Singh Shekhawat, has accused two former army chiefs and a senior serving officer of victimising him for speaking up about a botched operation in 2011 that embarrassed the force.

The 45-year-old Shekhawat has named former chief Gen Bikram Singh, his successor Gen Dalbir Singh and Lt Gen Abhay Krishna in his complaint to the army headquarters.

“I am forced, with distress and disillusionment, to state that despite being highest decorated serving officer in the army with an unblemished operational profile, I have been systematically vicitimised by officers at the highest level,” Shekhawat has said in the letter, a copy of which is with Hindustan Times.

Shekhawat’s allegations have brought the focus back on the Jorhat operation that led to an all-out war among India’s top army officers and at one point even threatened to derail the force’s succession plan.

Gen Dalbir Singh and Lt Gen Krishna didn’t respond to repeated phone calls or messages. Gen Bikram Singh said he didn’t remember the case. “It is not right for me to comment also, as it’s more than three years that I have retired,” he told HT.

Shekhwat, who is on study leave and is pursuing research at the Delhi-based Institute for Defence Studies and Analysis, declined comment.

Such complaints usually take six to seven months to be processed, army sources said, refusing further comment. The complaint was made in April.

On the night of December 20, 2011, an army intelligence unit barged into the house of Jorhat-based businessman Surjit Gogoi on the suspicion he was working with the separatist United Liberation Front of Asom.

Gogoi, a contractor with the military engineering corps, was not home when the intelligence unit of the 3 Corps, which was based in neighbouring Nagland’s Dimapur, raided his home in the presence of his wife and other family members.

The soldiers allegedly took away cash, gold and mobile phones from his home, inviting allegations the raid was a robbery. Gogoi lodged a complaint that led to a police investigation.

His 21 para (SF) unit was based in Jorhat at that time but in a breach of procedure, the army intelligence unit didn’t inform his unit or local police about the operation, Shekhawat’s letter says.

He brought the incident to the notice of his superiors but they denied the army was involved.

He spoke to the then brigadier, general staff, Abhay Krishna, who “denied any involvement and asked me as to how do (did) I know that 3 CISU (the Intelligence Unit) had done such a thing? I was shocked by the reaction”.

The intelligence unit was under Krishna’s command. Bikram Singh was the eastern army commander and Dalbir Singh the 3 Corps commander. Krishna took charge of the southwestern command this January.

The intelligence unit raid caused an uproar and the then army chief Gen VK Singh, who is now a minister at the Centre, issued a showcause notice to Dalbir Singh, who was in line to be the army chief in 2014.

It threatened Dalbir Singh’s chances to lead the army. In an affidavit to the Supreme Court, he accused VK Singh of victimising him “with the sole purpose of denying promotion to the appointment of army commander”.

When he took over as the chief in May 2012, Gen Bikram Singh reversed VK Singh’s decision to bar Dalbir Singh from heading the Eastern Command, clearing his way to the force’s top job.

Similar allegations have now been made against Gen Dalbir Singh.“I learnt that directions were issued to my initiating officer to fix Col SS Shekhawat. This vindictive attitude continued when General Dalbir took over as army commander,” the letter says.

As the chief, Gen Dalbir Singh even got him dropped as the leader of an Indian Army expedition to Mount Everest in 2016. An avid mountaineer, Colonel Shekhawat has conquered the Everest thrice.

A part of the Indian Army’s elite special forces, Shekhawat has three gallantry awards to his name — Kirti Chakra, Shaurya Chakra and Sena Medal — and a Vishisht Sena Medal for distinguished service.
This is why I prefer the system we currently have of civilian primacy over the army. No matter how badly beaten the image of the paan-chewing, dhoti-wearing Indian politician is in the armed forces, it is these same politicians who have delivered great things to us. From the space mission to the economic boom, to foreign policy, diplomacy, and nuclear weapons, everything has been delivered to us by the efforts of successive civilian governments.

We are not aware of the rot in the forces, it is kept under wraps for the sake of troop morale, but such things keep coming out. Even VK Singh was victimized in a similar manner when his own hierarchy sold him out to derail his appointment as army chief. And recently 2 army chiefs have been indicted for the Aadarsh scam for stealing houses allotted to widows of Kargil martyrs. There was another guy who was incharge of the Kargil OPs who gave unrestricted access to Barkha, which led to our soldiers being killed, on top of that, the same guy gave her a clean chit. All of this just for the hope that he may get a favorable word or two written about him when Barkha wrote her memoirs. People keep saying that the army is apolitical, but incidents like these speak otherwise. There is also an air force chief who has been indicted for corruption in the Agusta Westland scam. They are humans and have human flaws.

When the 2 army chiefs were indicted recently, GD Bakshi gave them a good dose on a news channel. "You've stolen the right of widows of Kargil, you should be ashamed of yourself". COAS Vij had even stated that he had paid for the house in cheque while he had actually paid in DD and claimed that he was unaware of the fact that a house had even been allotted to him.

The balance of power has been maintained in a neutral manner by the civilian authorities.

One should remember these somber incidents and not go overboard in demanding a military dictatorship in India as a solution to everything that is wrong in India.
 
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