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I think the gear is OK for now.However the NVG,comm sets and sniping should be upgraded.
All of their gear is okay but not world class as it should be, litterally everything in the pic is 1-2 generations outdated, not good enough for India's premier CT/HR unit.

+ there sniping isn't bad now they have the M98B, that's a world class product right there.
 

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All of their gear is okay but not world class as it should be, litterally everything in the pic is 1-2 generations outdated, not good enough for India's premier CT/HR unit.

+ there sniping isn't bad now they have the M98B, that's a world class product right there.
Bro,for world class we should also look at the stabndard of other similar units in India.Otherwise we have a situation where SPG has the best and other units are ordinary.

I think they should be on the same level and then one step more.
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Sniping in India is overall not in a good condition.

Even Pakistan has better sniping than India.(insecure people to not read this line)

Our Snipers including NSG dont have ballistic computers..no training on how to calculate winds and compensate for earths rotation..calculating angle of descent..ambient temp...barometric pressure..etc etc etc which are used for modern day sniping.

No dedicated Sniper school..Ya the one in MHOW is Infantry school and not a dedicated Sniper school.
 
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Our Snipers including NSG dont have ballistic computers.
The NSG's M98Bs have the BORS (Barrett Optical Ranging System ballistic computer) fitted, the NSG probably has the best snipers in India but you are right, it isn't an area that India excels at or gives much/any attention to.
 

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The NSG's M98Bs have the BORS (Barrett Optical Ranging System ballistic computer) fitted, the NSG probably has the best snipers in India but you are right, it isn't an area that India excels at or gives much/any attention to.
Actually the NSG (Along with SPG) has the best Urban Sharpshooters. Which has its own complexities. Wind travels different in a concret jungle than in the open. and they have to be very mindful of collateral damage.

For me Sniper is a bit different.

A (traditional) Sniper is a lone (or two man) LRRP specialist who can be miles away from the supporting force and get up close and personal with the enemy without the enemy even realizing he is there. Sniping is as much about shooting as it is about Recon and intelligence gathering. A sniper is expected to use his Camera way more than his rifle. Close Target Recon is more valuable than his rifle. In a Recon Avatar he also provides Early Warning and Overwatch for the main force.

When it comes to shooting his rifle - his PRIMARY objective is not making the kill. It is making a Kill undetected so that he can maneuver and make multiple kills.

I have seen many pictures of Indian Snipers sitting in trees - thats plain retarded. There is no better counter sniper system than an artillery barrage. And a tree is the first place an enemy will look. There is no way a sniper is maneuvering from a tree undetected.

Same reason any Sniper setting up at the base of a tree (and again seen many of these pictures) is not smart -.It breaks up a tree's nature silhouette. The best snipers hide out in open fields in the LEAST obvious place.

A Ghillie Suit does not make a sniper if you are smelling of the lifebouy soap you showered with 3 days ago. The natural world you are trying to hide in WILL give you away. A decent scout or a tracker of the opfor will notice these things.
 

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Actually the NSG (Along with SPG) has the best Urban Sharpshooters. Which has its own complexities. Wind travels different in a concret jungle than in the open. and they have to be very mindful of collateral damage.

For me Sniper is a bit different.

A (traditional) Sniper is a lone (or two man) LRRP specialist who can be miles away from the supporting force and get up close and personal with the enemy without the enemy even realizing he is there. Sniping is as much about shooting as it is about Recon and intelligence gathering. A sniper is expected to use his Camera way more than his rifle. Close Target Recon is more valuable than his rifle. In a Recon Avatar he also provides Early Warning and Overwatch for the main force.

When it comes to shooting his rifle - his PRIMARY objective is not making the kill. It is making a Kill undetected so that he can maneuver and make multiple kills.

I have seen many pictures of Indian Snipers sitting in trees - thats plain retarded. There is no better counter sniper system than an artillery barrage. And a tree is the first place an enemy will look. There is no way a sniper is maneuvering from a tree undetected.

Same reason any Sniper setting up at the base of a tree (and again seen many of these pictures) is not smart -.It breaks up a tree's nature silhouette. The best snipers hide out in open fields in the LEAST obvious place.

A Ghillie Suit does not make a sniper if you are smelling of the lifebouy soap you showered with 3 days ago. The natural world you are trying to hide in WILL give you away. A decent scout or a tracker of the opfor will notice these things.
Excellent post...I have seen sniper training first hand and also seen American Army videos on sniper school and i feel this is one field we really lack at.

ACH or Fast helmet doesnt make much of a difference in combat but these things need to be taken care of first.
 

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Canadians have best record in long range shooting ...last week their sniper killed an ISIS member from 3500 metes away :
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Canadian sniper blows away record for farthest kill
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Actually the NSG (Along with SPG) has the best Urban Sharpshooters. Which has its own complexities. Wind travels different in a concret jungle than in the open. and they have to be very mindful of collateral damage.

For me Sniper is a bit different.

A (traditional) Sniper is a lone (or two man) LRRP specialist who can be miles away from the supporting force and get up close and personal with the enemy without the enemy even realizing he is there. Sniping is as much about shooting as it is about Recon and intelligence gathering. A sniper is expected to use his Camera way more than his rifle. Close Target Recon is more valuable than his rifle. In a Recon Avatar he also provides Early Warning and Overwatch for the main force.

When it comes to shooting his rifle - his PRIMARY objective is not making the kill. It is making a Kill undetected so that he can maneuver and make multiple kills.

I have seen many pictures of Indian Snipers sitting in trees - thats plain retarded. There is no better counter sniper system than an artillery barrage. And a tree is the first place an enemy will look. There is no way a sniper is maneuvering from a tree undetected.

Same reason any Sniper setting up at the base of a tree (and again seen many of these pictures) is not smart -.It breaks up a tree's nature silhouette. The best snipers hide out in open fields in the LEAST obvious place.

A Ghillie Suit does not make a sniper if you are smelling of the lifebouy soap you showered with 3 days ago. The natural world you are trying to hide in WILL give you away. A decent scout or a tracker of the opfor will notice these things.
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Snipers have always been very effective in India, many kills on a early basis come from Snipers and a lot of clean headwork you see in pictures is from Snipers, sure they lag behind in equipment but that can be quickly changed with updated weapons and ballistic computers etc. Give them the heavy hitting Barrett or MacMillan with the right optics and computational aids and shots over 3 km can be made.
 

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Actually the NSG (Along with SPG) has the best Urban Sharpshooters. Which has its own complexities. Wind travels different in a concret jungle than in the open. and they have to be very mindful of collateral damage.

For me Sniper is a bit different.

A (traditional) Sniper is a lone (or two man) LRRP specialist who can be miles away from the supporting force and get up close and personal with the enemy without the enemy even realizing he is there. Sniping is as much about shooting as it is about Recon and intelligence gathering. A sniper is expected to use his Camera way more than his rifle. Close Target Recon is more valuable than his rifle. In a Recon Avatar he also provides Early Warning and Overwatch for the main force.

When it comes to shooting his rifle - his PRIMARY objective is not making the kill. It is making a Kill undetected so that he can maneuver and make multiple kills.

I have seen many pictures of Indian Snipers sitting in trees - thats plain retarded. There is no better counter sniper system than an artillery barrage. And a tree is the first place an enemy will look. There is no way a sniper is maneuvering from a tree undetected.

Same reason any Sniper setting up at the base of a tree (and again seen many of these pictures) is not smart -.It breaks up a tree's nature silhouette. The best snipers hide out in open fields in the LEAST obvious place.

A Ghillie Suit does not make a sniper if you are smelling of the lifebouy soap you showered with 3 days ago. The natural world you are trying to hide in WILL give you away. A decent scout or a tracker of the opfor will notice these things.
Any idea what sniper rifles the SPG's Counter sniper unit deploy? I've only ever seen one picture of them and that was without a rifle, other than that they are totally invisible.
 

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Snipers have always been very effective in India, many kills on a early basis come from Snipers and a lot of clean headwork you see in pictures is from Snipers, sure they lag behind in equipment but that can be quickly changed with updated weapons and ballistic computers etc. Give them the heavy hitting Barrett or MacMillan with the right optics and computational aids and shots over 3 km can be made.
Sir, No doubt IA produces great markshment but all our "snipers" are traditional Designated Marksmen. Sure SF and Ghatak are a bit more evolved than that.

All i was trying to say is that there is a whole world of difference between a Designated Marksmen and Sniper. (in the strictest military sense).

The simple fact that our SOF units are running around with Galatz and Dragnuvs is enough proof that Snipers dont permeate our ORBAT and Planning on a strategic level.
 

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Any idea what sniper rifles the SPG's Counter sniper unit deploy? I've only ever seen one picture of them and that was without a rifle, other than that they are totally invisible.
In the Days of Yore they had similar kit as the NSG - PSG-1 / MSG-90. Have zero Clue on today (with the whole equipment upgrade) and have zeen Zero Pictures.
 

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Excellent post...I have seen sniper training first hand and also seen American Army videos on sniper school and i feel this is one field we really lack at.

ACH or Fast helmet doesnt make much of a difference in combat but these things need to be taken care of first.
I have this Canadian friend (northern BC) used to go hunting with him. His tradecraft (we were 20/21 years?) was awe inspiring. While I (obviously) hung back in the hide. He would literally crawl close enough of throw dirt on the animals before taking a shot.

The Irony is that in India we absolutely DO NOT lack the skill. When the Gurkha's recently went to America to train with a Stryker Unit - one of the Senior NCO's comments were - I have never seen a large body of men move through the Forest so quietly.

In Sierre Leone. A Para-SF element inflitrated inside the RUF camp for 3-4 days gathering intel and then came out. In the recent Cross Border Raid. SF Recon Element was in good 3-4 days before doing CTR and then acted as overwatch to the main assault force.

I have a couple of good incidents from Sri Lanka (will need permission to mention it) but IA stalking skills are second to none - specially coming out of CIJWS.

Our DM Squads are incredibly good at putting down lead- but crappy equipment like Galatz and Dragnuvs

Where we lack is strategic foresight, ideation and execution on the level of policy makers (Military Brass and MOD) - Thats why no Real "sniper" program or strategy. Thats why no SOCOM. Thats why no dedicated SOF Aviation.

To quote Boondock Saints - This mix and match shite has got to go
 

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Para with Micro Uzi? The stock looks like Kriss Vector (which we don't use)
 
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