Indian Special Forces (archived)

[abingdonboy]

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[Bahamut]

A few gun that SF can buy

 

[Bornubus]

Successful Everest expedition - twice a year

Same officer with SFF (on deputation)

Also a RAJPUT

 

[abingdonboy]

A few gun that SF can buy

The SFs have the rifles they want (to a great extent), they are not in need of new rifles but pretty much all other equipment (comms gear, helmets, plate carriers, side arms, NVGs, vehicles etc etc).

 

[Bahamut]

The SFs have the rifles they want (to a great extent), they are not in need of new rifles but pretty much all other equipment (comms gear, helmets, plate carriers, side arms, NVGs, vehicles etc etc).

These gun are new gun ,unlike the MP5 ,M4/16 family, AK 47 and AKM that old.AK 400 is a hevy hitter with 7.62 ,AK 9 as sub machine gun ,H&K 416 are build like a tank.I belong from a army background and I asked family members about it ,the SF are now realizing that they require multiple guns for single operative.Some Sniper rifle are good in 500-1000 m while other might be a overkill.There are talks about each operative having 4-5 primary weapons so can change according to mission.As for other equipment ,SF get good imported equipment but not in the quantity , there are plans for ToT and local manufacturing by private companies .

 

[abingdonboy]

As for other equipment ,SF get good imported equipment but not in the quantity , there are plans for ToT and local manufacturing by private companies .

The only way it is going to work is for local companies to get on board like you have said.

As for your other comments about expanding the equipment variety for each operator, this is a must for India's SFs especially considering how diverse their skill set is and the different missions they are trained in.

I remember hearing that in USN DEVGRU each operator has 3-4 huge lockers at their HQ packed full of specialist equipment and weapons. Each pack eas labelled for a specific missions (ie "jungle", "HR", "HALO", "maritime" etc etc) so when a mission came up they didn't waste even a second, they found their packs related to that mission and were out the door on their way within the hour. This is the kind of capabilties India needs to build up if it is to be a credible military power.

 

[abingdonboy]

One thing that we cannot really match up to with western SF is the Uber cool Gucci type stuff. Because the after market parts sector is way big in USA because of a prevalent gun culture than it can ever be here in India.

this is true to an extent BUT I don't think it is much of an issue as you think bro. The main limiting factor right now is 100% budget, not the lack of a civlian arms after market in India. Once the SF have enough funds to be able to buy the top notch gear from the West those companies will flock to the Indian Military, and likely make considerable investments with local partners. What is key is getting those "big guys" (EO tech, Aimpoint, Ops-core etc etc etc) interested in the Indian market and for the induvidual Indian units to get good exposure to those companies and to build up working relationships with them. Then these companies may even start giving Indian units advanced notice of stuff they have coming or even creating equipment suited for the Indian units explicitly.

If nations with strict civilian gun ownership laws like France, UK and Germany can have SF as well equipped as the Americans then so can India (and with 10,000 SF operators in India the market is quite huge).

 

[abingdonboy]

Might not have the best gear but they are skilled warriors no doubt about it

 

[reddevil9]

ADC to the president, combat free fall specialist, don't know whether he is from SG or not

 

[armyofhind]

ADC to the president, combat free fall specialist, don't know whether he is from SG or not

SG.. yes. You can see the badge on the left chest.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Hand of Makung Sarang Huchong, Shaurya Chakra - 21 Para.

 

[reddevil9]

SG.. yes. You can see the badge on the left chest.

i am not at all convinced with that being the SG badge, because the wings on both the sides of SG badge are not curved but straight. this badge is similar to these

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[rohit b3]

Watched the Para SF selection documentary on Discovery.
However I thought that one must be a Paratrooper(Airborne) first and get the Maroon Beret and Parawings, before proceeding to Para SF selection?

For instance , Arent they are from 7 Para(Airborne)? who arent Special forces? -
In the latest documentary, it seemed they awarded the Special forces tab along with the Maroon Berets?
Can someone clear this doubt?

 

[reddevil9]

Watched the Para SF selection documentary on Discovery.
However I thought that one must be a Paratrooper(Airborne) first and get the Maroon Beret and Parawings, before proceeding to Para SF selection?

For instance , Arent they are from 7 Para(Airborne)? who arent Special forces? -
In the latest documentary, it seemed they awarded the Special forces tab along with the Maroon Berets?
Can someone clear this doubt?

yes Captain Dipanker Barua is from 7 para(airborne)

 

[armyofhind]

Watched the Para SF selection documentary on Discovery.
However I thought that one must be a Paratrooper(Airborne) first and get the Maroon Beret and Parawings, before proceeding to Para SF selection?

For instance , Arent they are from 7 Para(Airborne)? who arent Special forces? -
In the latest documentary, it seemed they awarded the Special forces tab along with the Maroon Berets?
Can someone clear this doubt?

Maroon Beret is a sign of being Airborne qualified.
Para SF are by default airborne qualified.

One doesnt necessarily have to be Airborne to apply for SF selection.

 

[rohit b3]

Maroon Beret is a sign of being Airborne qualified.
Para SF are by default airborne qualified.

One doesnt necessarily have to be Airborne to apply for SF selection.

You didn get my question.
Yes I know what you said.
All Paracommandos are Maroon Beret Paratroopers.
But all Paratroopers arent Paracommandos(SF)
Where's the extra probationary period for earning the SF batch?

 

[armyofhind]

what was shown is the probationary period for SF.

For Airborne its a separate selection and training process.
and that was just the probation to get selected for training.
there is training thereafter and actual combat service in hostile zone.
Balidan badge is given only then.

 

[WARREN SS]

what was shown is the probationary period for SF.

For Airborne its a separate selection and training process.
and that was just the probation to get selected for training.
there is training thereafter and actual combat service in hostile zone.
Balidan badge is given only then.

Yes the Process was to get maroon TAB And Maroon Cap Its clearly a probation Period

 

[rkhanna]

It was the 90 day probation post Selection. They were teaching Demo, Assault courses, Navigation, Language (all covered only in flashes on the show for obvious reasons).

The Balidan badge ofcourse isnt earned till much later. That is the "second probation" or "Operational Probation". They either spend 6 months in an active combat zone to get the Balidan (on recommendation of entire team) or spend 1 year building up their skills in various training schools across India and outside to earn the Balidan.

 

[WARREN SS]

This paratroopers probation course of three months which 90 days

For Para SF 7 months advance training


Total 10 months or 44 weeks long

After that you will be deployed in battalions

Special Forces) battalions (1,2,3,4,9,10,11,12,21 PARA), in order to be a Para (Special Forces) all personnel are first required to qualify as Paratroopers; once selected the candidates may choose to advance to the SF selection, which takes place twice a year in the spring and the autumn term. It is one of the longest and toughest phases in world where the applicant is exposed to sleep deprivation, humiliation, exhaustion, mental and physical torture. The selection has reported deaths in the process itself. The attrition rate is very high and is in between 90-95 percent.