Indian Special Forces (archived)

[sydsnyper]

Believe it or not, I was supposed to post this very video on the INSAS thread as a recommendation to have the reciprocating rod system on future versions of the INSAS....

How about AK 107 for nsg ,it will suit them

 

[Bahamut]

Don't be absurd. A 7.62mm assualt rifle for CQB?? You're going to be putting more people at risk with such reckless suggestions with the threat from over protection.

There is nothing wrong with the MP-5s the NSG have, they are all brand new (bought since 2010) with all the "goodies" you would want and the NSG is comfortable with it. It's lethal weapon in CQB and in the hands of trained operators.


The NSG has assualt rifles (SIG-552/3) if they need an assualt rifle, they even have belt fed machine guns should the need arise.

Not for CBQ but in situation like the attack on air base .AK 107 is more accurate then MP 5,Sig since it is a counter balance gun .They bullet land on the same spot so in hyper brust mode ( 3 bullet in less 1 sec in same spot) kill terrorist even it they a bullet proof jacket,it give a better fire power then SIg or machine gun .Like during 26/11 the thick wall of the hotel made MP 5 less effective ,AK 107 give the fire power in accurate form

 

[Bahamut]

Believe it or not, I was supposed to post this very video on the INSAS thread as a recommendation to have the reciprocating rod system on future versions of the INSAS....

It will be good for INSAS,but will be difficult to make but will be worth the effort ,SF will love this gun.

 

[Nuvneet Kundu]

during 26/11 the thick wall of the hotel made MP 5 less effective ,AK 107 give the fire power in accurate form

And AK 107 bullets passed through walls?

 

[Bahamut]

And AK 107 bullets passed through walls?

In hyper brust mode 3 bullet hit the same point in less then one sec,hence the penetration power is increased a lot plus the caliber is 7.62mm,so lot of KE behind it

 

[Nuvneet Kundu]

In hyper brust mode 3 bullet hit the same point in less then one sec,hence the penetration power is increased a lot plus the caliber is 7.62mm,so lot of KE behind it

The NSG is not a fund starved force. They have all sorts of guns in their arsenal. They are the richest institution among all our military units in terms of per capita spending. Let's stop treating them like poor imbecile children who need advice from internet forum members. CQB imposes certain constraints on the amount and kind of ordnance the team can carry. You can't expect the NSG to be carry Brahmos missiles on their backs because they are more powerful than 5.56mm bullets.

Check their arsenal, they have all types of guns, the DRDO even adds customization that is mission specific. If they choose the MP5 then it means that is the need of the hour. Stop peddling bigger caliber weapons just because they are, well, bigger. NSG is trained to get 'one shot one kill' headshots. And a 9mm gun does just fine. No need for bigger caliber or higher rate of fire.

Check the third guy on the right side of the door, he has just a handgun. The one behind him has a SIG55X, the one in front of him has an MP5. They customize their load-out according to mission requirements.

 

[Bahamut]

The NSG is not a fund starved force. They have all sorts of guns in their arsenal. They are the richest institution among all our military units in terms of per capita spending. Let's stop treating them like poor imbecile children who need advice from internet forum members. CQB imposes certain constraints on the amount and kind of ordnance the team can carry. You can't expect the NSG to be carry Brahmos missiles on their backs because they are more powerful than 5.56mm bullets.

Check their arsenal, they have all types of guns, the DRDO even adds customization that is mission specific. If they choose the MP5 then it means that is the need of the hour. Stop peddling bigger caliber weapons just because they are, well, bigger. NSG is trained to get 'one shot one kill' headshots. And a 9mm gun does just fine. No need for bigger caliber or higher rate of fire.

Check the third guy on the right side of the door, he has just a handgun. The one behind him has a SIG55X, the one in front of him has an MP5. They customize their load-out according to mission requirements.

I know that ,AK 107 is not CBQ, most of NSG operation are in J&K where there is limited CBQ. AK 107 is for situation without any hostage and room clearing, like the operation in air base .Different situation require different gun .For room clearance MP 5 is good, if not the best, but in open area it is not as effective .Same way AK 107 is overkill in room clearance but good for fights above 100 m when enemy is using bullet proof jacket.

 

[abingdonboy]

.Like during 26/11 the thick wall of the hotel made MP 5 less effective ,AK 107 give the fire power in accurate form

I don't get this part. Do you think the NSG employ the tactic of shooting through walls???

 

[kr9]

Not for CBQ but in situation like the attack on air base .AK 107 is more accurate then MP 5,Sig since it is a counter balance gun .They bullet land on the same spot so in hyper brust mode ( 3 bullet in less 1 sec in same spot) kill terrorist even it they a bullet proof jacket,it give a better fire power then SIg or machine gun .Like during 26/11 the thick wall of the hotel made MP 5 less effective ,AK 107 give the fire power in accurate form

On the specific topic of Counter-Balance:

I do not know if current counter-balanced mechanisms (AK 107s, AEKs) are as reliable.
The Russian military is opting for AK 12 against the A 545(counter-balanced). The mechanism was there since the 70s but no military has favored it much. So might be that something is being compromised for the lesser recoil (that we do not know of / we are not being told).

But that is not to say that we cannot develop & test better recoil-less weapons of our own.

As for caliber/rifle or smg debate, I trust our soldiers to choose wisely as the situation demands. The nation (DRDO, ARDE, the people) can help them by giving them good weapons to choose from.

 

[abingdonboy]

Btw, One of them has a silencer and others don't. In that case I don't know how that first guy's silencing efforts are going to help anyone since everyone else will be loud.

The operators with the silenced weapons are the "pointmen" ie the "number one" in the teams who will be at the front of thr stack and the idea of the silenced weapon is to potentially neutralise the enemy as quietly as possible where possible.

 

[Gessler]

@abingdonboy Mate can you give a rundown about the array of concealable firearms available to the close-protection/VIP detail elements in India? I was thinking something like the FMG-9 could be very useful for such units. You could easily pack 4 of them in a suitcase (or 8+ in a travel bag), are extremely easy for concealed carrying and have decent CQB stopping power.

Are there any setbacks toward going for such firearms? Is it that we simply do not need them?

 

[Bahamut]

On the specific topic of Counter-Balance:

I do not know if current counter-balanced mechanisms (AK 107s, AEKs) are as reliable.
The Russian military is opting for AK 12 against the A 545(counter-balanced). The mechanism was there since the 70s but no military has favored it much. So might be that something is being compromised for the lesser recoil (that we do not know of / we are not being told).

But that is not to say that we cannot develop & test better recoil-less weapons of our own.

As for caliber/rifle or smg debate, I trust our soldiers to choose wisely as the situation demands. The nation (DRDO, ARDE, the people) can help them by giving them good weapons to choose from.

A 545 is only for SF while AK 12 being cheaper and easier to maintain is for normal troops,they are also testing AK 107.Compare to 70 they are much reliable ,it the same way as bull-pups guns ,at the start no one wanted them but they latter found its advantages in some area and have adopted them for some purpose .

 

[aditya g]

Small titbit from a local newspaper gives a glimpse into the kind of capabilities and rehearsal our SFs do on day to day basis ....

http://www.mumbaimirror.com/news/in...o-join-Defence-Force/articleshow/48467783.cms

J-K: MARINE COMMANDOS MOTIVATE YOUTH TO JOIN DEFENCE FORCE

By Anil Raina, Mumbai Mirror | Aug 13, 2015, 03.51 PM IST

The people of Sopore in Jammu and Kashmir praised the efforts of the Army for organizing an excellent demonstration for them. A breathtaking display of commando skills was organized on Thursday on Pohru River at Sopore by 5 Sector RR under the aegis of Kilo Force. The event was witnessed by over 400 children from various schools here.

During the display, the elite Marine Commandos of the Indian Navy displayed their skills of slithering and rappelling down from a helicopter and undertaking underwater stealth operations. They also carried out diving display to rescue a drowning person. During the entire display, the Marine Commandos and the skillful pilots of Army Aviation were clapped and cheered by the young children.

Marine Commandos are the elite Special Forces of 7 Para of the Indian Navy and have participated in anti-terrorist operations in the Valley since 1993. They have also been actively involved in the search and rescue operations in almost all rivers in the valley.

 

[aditya g]

Posted at: Oct 18 2015 12:06AM
Navy Chief briefed on security situation

Lt Gen Satish Dua, Chinar Corps Commander, with Admiral RK Dhowan, Chief of Naval Staff, in Srinagar on Saturday. A Tribune photo

http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/jammu-kashmir/navy-chief-briefed-on-security-situation/147238.html

 

[Nuvneet Kundu]

Posted at: Oct 18 2015 12:06AM
Navy Chief briefed on security situation

Lt Gen Satish Dua, Chinar Corps Commander, with Admiral RK Dhowan, Chief of Naval Staff, in Srinagar on Saturday. A Tribune photo

http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/jammu-kashmir/navy-chief-briefed-on-security-situation/147238.html

"Sir, I swear I saw a giant squid, it was this big!"

 

[salute]

vajra prahaar
Indian Army's 1st Para SF joined the U.S. Army’s 1st Special Forces Group in a heli-jump into Puget Sound, Washington.

The 42-man team from India are paired with a 12-man dive team from the Green Berets as part of Exercise Vajra Prahar.

The team practices fast insertion via Chinook helicopters and zodiac extraction including diving practice with the Green Berets.

 

[aditya g]

Cross Post ...

Post successful op picture from "Operation All Out" in Assam. Unfortunately no info on the units but the weaponry gives it away ....

 

[abingdonboy]

@abingdonboy Mate can you give a rundown about the array of concealable firearms available to the close-protection/VIP detail elements in India? I was thinking something like the FMG-9 could be very useful for such units. You could easily pack 4 of them in a suitcase (or 8+ in a travel bag), are extremely easy for concealed carrying and have decent CQB stopping power.

Are there any setbacks toward going for such firearms? Is it that we simply do not need them?

Completly pointless in terms of the SPG. The SPG already has the P-90 PDW that fires the 5.7mm armour pericing round carried OVERTLY by members of close protection details and ALL SPG carry the 5.7mm firing FN five seven pistol. Carrying a 9mm collapsed pistol as above offers no real benefit that I can see.

 

[Saumyasupraik]

Not for CBQ but in situation like the attack on air base .AK 107 is more accurate then MP 5,Sig since it is a counter balance gun .They bullet land on the same spot so in hyper brust mode ( 3 bullet in less 1 sec in same spot) kill terrorist even it they a bullet proof jacket,it give a better fire power then SIg or machine gun .Like during 26/11 the thick wall of the hotel made MP 5 less effective ,AK 107 give the fire power in accurate form

AK-107/8 doesn't have hyperburst mode, that feature belongs to the AN-94 only. The balanced recoil system of the AK-107/8 and AEK-971 helps to control the muzzle-rise when firing in full auto.

 

[Gessler]

"Sir, I swear I saw a giant squid, it was this big!"

That would be the size of a normal squid.